Post subject: Re: Heroes of Newerth (Remake of Dota)
Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:24 am
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ExSoldier wrote:
Thee_UniQue wrote:
I'm a decent kraken player.
Frostburn is a great item on him, not only you get a slow on attack, you also move faster. Those two factors PLUS your passive area slow, you're a chasing machine.
For his ulti, ulti -> click behind your tower/near your allies/base/whatever you feel like -> tsunami charge to the enemies, just try to get as many as possible, wont be hard since you'll be walking really fast and they will be really slow -> rape -> your team loves you -> profit.´
Shrunken Head is also a nice item so that the enemies wont stun or slow you when you charge in. Runed Axe scales well with his first skill and also gives you some extra powah to wack everyone.
So I'd start with Boots(then eventually upgrade them) and then go straight for Frostburn?(I mean it is 5k total )
Frostburn is a no for kraken... Early game, I generally get bottle, and use splash to harass and last hit, but be careful going up and using splash, depending on the lane. Early/Mid I would get ring of sorcery because his mana is low, and he uses a whole of mana. Afterwards, I would be aiming for helm of black legion, or straight for blink first if you can. Using an ult and then using tsunami charge itself does not work that well because enemies can see you coming easily, and seperate. If you dont have your ult, generally, you'll be the one to just charge up and tank. Late, up to you really.
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Post subject: Re: Heroes of Newerth (Remake of Dota)
Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 8:05 am
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I just started to play Andromeda. I love this bitch.
Last night, I was playing this game with a Legio. that kept feeding us, and we eventually wtfpwned everybody on his team except for him. We were all 15+ and the Legio. was like level 8; so for shits and giggles, we decided to all surround him, but not attack him, just to see what he would do, but our Soul Stealer accidentally clicked on him and he died ):
Post subject: Re: Heroes of Newerth (Remake of Dota)
Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 8:55 am
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CrimsonNuker wrote:
I just started to play Andromeda. I love this bitch.
Last night, I was playing this game with a Legio. that kept feeding us, and we eventually wtfpwned everybody on his team except for him. We were all 15+ and the Legio. was like level 8; so for shits and giggles, we decided to all surround him, but not attack him, just to see what he would do, but our Soul Stealer accidentally clicked on him and he died ):
Andromeda + Staff of the Master = SEX The range on her ultimate at lv.16 is ridiculous,its basically from the one side to the other side of my screen(18.4) I stopped playing here because once I swapped I didn't have the reflex to Portal Key right back to my team
Post subject: Re: Heroes of Newerth (Remake of Dota)
Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:02 am
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Phantasma wrote:
ExSoldier wrote:
Thee_UniQue wrote:
I'm a decent kraken player.
Frostburn is a great item on him, not only you get a slow on attack, you also move faster. Those two factors PLUS your passive area slow, you're a chasing machine.
For his ulti, ulti -> click behind your tower/near your allies/base/whatever you feel like -> tsunami charge to the enemies, just try to get as many as possible, wont be hard since you'll be walking really fast and they will be really slow -> rape -> your team loves you -> profit.´
Shrunken Head is also a nice item so that the enemies wont stun or slow you when you charge in. Runed Axe scales well with his first skill and also gives you some extra powah to wack everyone.
So I'd start with Boots(then eventually upgrade them) and then go straight for Frostburn?(I mean it is 5k total )
Frostburn is a no for kraken... Early game, I generally get bottle, and use splash to harass and last hit, but be careful going up and using splash, depending on the lane. Early/Mid I would get ring of sorcery because his mana is low, and he uses a whole of mana. Afterwards, I would be aiming for helm of black legion, or straight for blink first if you can. Using an ult and then using tsunami charge itself does not work that well because enemies can see you coming easily, and seperate. If you dont have your ult, generally, you'll be the one to just charge up and tank. Late, up to you really.
Yes I was assuming there would be another tank on my team, the build I suggested is more dps oriented, and don't forget you will move faster and they will move slower to it's not that hard to grab them, especially in low tier games where no one knows wtf the giant water tornado is.
Post subject: Re: Heroes of Newerth (Remake of Dota)
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:35 pm
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I got myself access to the Pre-Update Test Server =D I'll be testing the upcomming patch,apparently it really big on balance and Blacksmith got a huge buff. . I'll let you guys know whats the new stuff,even if Im not really suppose too xD
Post subject: Re: Heroes of Newerth (Remake of Dota)
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 11:00 pm
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wow so you're like a beta tester of HoN? That's kewl
I had 4 games today, if my memory serves me right I lost all 4 of them because of retarded team and one of them we were two versus five, I went 18-4 but they won because they were just too many and we couldn't be everywhere at once. it happened when entire HoN crashed and some people in our team didn't come back <_<
Post subject: Re: Heroes of Newerth (Remake of Dota)
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 1:18 am
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Thee_UniQue wrote:
wow so you're like a beta tester of HoN? That's kewl
I had 4 games today, if my memory serves me right I lost all 4 of them because of retarded team and one of them we were two versus five, I went 18-4 but they won because they were just too many and we couldn't be everywhere at once. it happened when entire HoN crashed and some people in our team didn't come back <_<
Post subject: Re: Heroes of Newerth (Remake of Dota)
Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 11:36 am
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Version 0.2.24 aka 1.63 ------------- General
- Added stairs (this is a work in progress, so you are going to see the early version) - Added ingame loading tips (more to come soon!) - Added a delay between hero voice responses for move, attack and select sounds. (default 3 seconds) - Volume tweaks on a lot of heroes and abilities - Endless sound tweaks to heroes and impacts - New music track - A ton of art polish on all of the heroes (Predator Model, Corrupted Disciple Texture, etc) - Fixed Ranged Super Creep health - Added a lot (like 12) new LODs for lower end systems - /gameinfo now returns "Other Options: None" if there are none, previously it just showed "Other Options:" - Changed the creep gold for supercreeps to 1/2 the gold of normal creeps - Added a team message when a walking or flying courier is purchased by a team member - Added a team message indicating when a team member buys back - Added a new customized Legion/Hellbourne message and alert ping indicating when a melee/ranged barracks is destroyed - Added a fence to stop ancient creep pulling on the Hellbourne side - Player disconnects and player timeouts are differentiated - Tweaked Purge Creep AI so it doesn't purge creeps anymore, just heroes that are close to it - Puzzlebox Melee will now return the proper damage on death (200,400,600 True damage) - Deadwood's log is now consumed when the throw is blocked by Nullstone - Fixed Pebbles stun to be 2 seconds instead of 1.75 - Warbeast's Wolves and Tempest's Elementals are now Summoned units and will be hurt by Purge effects - Puzzlebox minions are now tagged as Summoned units - Arachna's Spider will no longer spawn if she dies while it is in midair - Fixed Demented Shaman's Storm Cloud to properly hilight just heroes in the targetting circle - Kraken no longer runs in place after charging (but he did look hilarious) - Fixed Rampage's order queue being cleared by a Horned Strike - Added a proper name to the Haste Aura for Puzzlebox Ranged Minion - Fixed the tooltip for locking someone because it said "star" instead of "icon" - Fixed the hilarious tooltip bug on Hellbringer (Unholy Shackles was named Unholy Sfles. Lol.) - Fixed Scout toggling off the ability giving charges to mana battery - Fixed a typo in Witch Slayer's story - Fixed a mana potion typo. No, not the energy drink. - Fixed Tablet of Command from leaving behind an invisible gadget that can block creep spawns - Fixed an issue with the Health/Manabar tooltip in the options window - Fixed a typo with Plague Rider's tooltip for Extinguish - Fixed Demented Shaman's Storm Cloud to properly gain a radius increase with staff of the master - Fixed Corrupted Disciple's Electric Tide from not doing damage on the return if killed while it is active - Fixed Forsaken Archer's Split Fire so it reduces damage correctly - Engineer's Shield will now properly dispell buffs when someone leaves the area - Added occlude to the following. This stops the effects from playing in fog: * Andromeda Void Rip * Behemoth Heavyweight and Enrage * Chronos Time Leap * Deadwood Rotten Grasp and Tree Throw * Defiler Silence * Demented Shaman Storm Cloud * Devourer Hook * Forsaken Archer Volley * Glacius Tundra Blase and Downpour * Hellbringer Summon Malphas * Magmus Lava Surge and Volcanic Touch and Eruption * Nymphora Pod * Pestilence Impale * Plague Rider Plague Carrier * Torturer Chain Reaction * Valkyrie Leap * Vindicator Sage's Lore * Voodoo's Cursed Ground * War Beast Metamorphisis * Portal Key * Kongor death effect
- Some enhancements and tweaks to the low end renderer - Added a new game option to the interface panel that allows players to toggle displaying timestamps in game chat - When in the game lobby or hero select screens, pressing shift while entering chat now updates the chat type button to display the opposite chat mode the message will be sent to. - Added a "No Leavers" icon to the game lobby to indicate if a game is "No Leavers" or not * Updated /gameinfo to show this information as well. - Fixed an issue where players were shown a "unable to join due to leave % being too high" and unable to reconnect to games they were previously disconnected from. - /dnd now blocks incoming messages sent from buddies using the "/buddy message" command. - /afk and /dnd status is now automatically removed and set to /available when sending a /whisper. - When switching between /afk and /dnd as long as a message is specified it will now switch or update your status accordingly, instead of removing your status and toggling to /available. - /roll # now defaults to a roll between 1 and # - Fixed a bug where the percentage of leaves in the game lobby didn't match the percentage of leaves in the view stats interface. - Fixed a crash caused by using the /matchup (/ma) command when in the hero select screen. /matchup is now only available for use during pre-match, active and end game phases. - Added a /ping command players can use in game to show their current ping. - Added a "Disconnect" button to the loading screen for cases when a player wishes to exit out before they have finished loading. - Added a new CMD LocalChat that can be used to display chat messages in game (on the local client only). * This will be useful for mods that print out information to the screen without having to going through an interface and for those that don't want to send information to the screen with TeamChat or AllChat (rune spawn or player spawn reminders to name a few).
Spectator fixes: - creep kill popup - fixes for popup message and pings - fix typo in spectator interface - fix channel and mana upkeep on info selection tooltips - camera centering and locking for spectators works using both info and control binds (C and V) - tab cycles heroes in spectator mode - fix double and triple ability buttons on the spectator interface
- Removed Christmas effects (Except the lights on the Legion tree. Because some people keep those up for a while. You know people like that I'm sure...)
Heroes
Andromeda - Aurora debuff duration increased from 15 to 20s
Armadon - Spine Burst debuff increased from 10s to 13s - Armordillo's Spine Burst damage point reduced from 250 to 200
Blacksmith - Added mushroom cloud explosion for when a 4x multicast goes off - +2 Base Intelligence - +0.2 Intelligence Gain
Corrupted Disciple - Base strength lowered from 21 to 19 - Movespeed lowered by 5 - Corrupted Conduit now grants vision around the target (800 AOE) as long as they stay in range/is draining damage
Deadwood - Armor reduction from 2,3,4,5 to 1,2,3,4 when in Rotten Grasp - Very short cast time on Rotten Grasp so an animation plays - Willowmaker can no longer target the ground
Defiler - Fixed bug allowing players to control the spirits of Unholy Expulsion
Devourer - Hook range is now the same across all levels (1100) - Hook now returns to the devourer if he moves (Think Maliken's Sword)
Forsaken Archer - Base Agility lowered by 1 - Attack projectile speed slowed down from 1200 to 1050 - DoT from Skeletons lowered to 4/8/12/16 - Piercing Arrows has the damage it does reduced based on the targets it hits. 10% per target in the line
Glacius - Ice Imprisonment can now be cast on allies, immobilizing them but reducing all damage they take by 20,40,60,80% for the duration.
Hammerstorm - Galvanize cast time removed
Hellbringer - 10,20,30,40% on the health from Life Void - Boil now 'chains' to 1,2,3,4 nearby targets (so 2,3,4,5 total hit by it) and applies the boil to all of them instantly. Numbers stay the same.
Jeraziah - Adds the cast time back on Sol's Blessing (.5 seconds)
Legionnaire - Decapitate cast point lowered from 330 to 300
Madman - Stalk cooldown +1s at all levels
Magebane - Flash cooldown now at 12/10/8/6 (+1 second at levels 2,3,4)
Moon Queen - +2 Base Strength - +0.2 Strength Gain
Night Hound - When in his own Smoke Bomb, the Night Hound is ignored by creeps and towers - Night Hound cannot attack towers while in his own Smoke Bomb
Nymphora - Fixed her correctly having effects bones (oops...) - Increased base strength by 2 - Base damage changed from 38-49 to 45-52 - Cast range of Pod increased to 750 - Nymphora's Zeal now returns to her as she runs (Think Maliken's Sword) - She gains charges for attackspeed/movespeed as Nymphora's Zeal hits enemies, not on it's death - Grace of the Nymph now restores the mana over 4 seconds instead of instantly. Mana return dispels on damage.
Pandamonium - .1 cast time added to cannonball (.3 total). Flight time reduced to compensate.
Predator - Fixed a bug that was causing him to kill people while under the effects of Puppet Show
Puppetmaster - Whiplash damage increase lowered to 5/10/15/20%
Rampage - Stampede cooldown to 25s (from 40s) - Favor of Sol cooldown to 60s (from 75s)
Slither - Attack Range increased by 50 - Anyone under the effects of the Toxicity have health regen disabled (40,60,80,100% health regen reduction) * Runes of the Blight changed to "healing" so that the Toxicity does not disable them - Poison Spray increased cast and effect range by 200, radius stays the same - Toxin Wards can now be laid in a 'burst' style with a long cooldown. (Think Panda's Flurry but with laying 3 wards in a short time) - Wards now have collision and slow poison (10%) again - Poison Burst is now un-removable
Soulstealer - Soul Burst debuff increased from 2 seconds to 5 seconds
Swiftblade - Reduced Blade Frenzy cooldown from 30 to 30/28/26/24 - Swiftblade is no longer disarmed while spinning at level 4 of Blade Frenzy * This includes attacking anything like heroes and units while spinning - Blade Frenzy now dispels all debuffs on start
Thunderbringer - Attack animation impact point from 633 to 500
Torturer - Movement speed increased by 5 - Agonizing Bonds now pulls anyone hit by the chains towards the target of the chains, even while the target moves
Voodoo - +1 base armor
Wretched Hag - Sonar Scream now hits invisible units and units in the fog
Items
Barbed Armor - Cooldown increased to 20 seconds (from 15) - Damage returned lowered to 80% (from 100%)
Courier (Flying) - Bounty increased to 300
Firebrand - Rebalanced and takes the +10 agi item and the +6 str item * 15 agi * 6 strength * 10% ms * 15 as * 950 recipe * 2400 total
Frostburn - Stats rebalance * 21 str * 21 agi * 10 damage * 14% ms * 25 AS * Slow changed to 15%, down from 20% (slow now lasts 2.5 seconds, down from 3)
Frostwolf - Same components but 200 recipe cost, 5900 total - The slow lasts 3 seconds and is applied on both single target spellcast and attack
Harkons Blade - Manacost per attack reduced to 50 from 100 - Recipe cost lowered from 725 to 500
Helm of the Black Legion - Block value when on a ranged hero reduced to 20 * Brings this item in line with the other two deflection items
Icebrand - Rebalance and takes the +10 str item and +6 agi item * 15 str * 6 agi * 10 damage * frost (15%, 1.5 second duration) * 950 recipe * 2400 total
Geometers Bane - Loses 5 int - Recipe cost lowered by 200
Mana Battery - Health returned per charge lowered to 12, from 15. Mana returned stays the same
Ghost Marchers - Casting a spell or using an item no longer dispels the Phased effect - Phased buff improved to 12% (from 10%)
Power Supply - Recipe cost increased by 100
Puzzlebox - Recipe cost increased by 100
Restoration stone - Now refreshes all items except other Restoration Stones and Shrunked Head
For those curious about the next patch. I must say, some of the buffs are to be called weird at the least. f.e. Hellbringer's Death Boil now chains(That means an AoE splash) to the nearest 1/2/3/4 targets. What's that about? Making one of the best babysitters and solo mids even better? :s
I hate seeing my fav character get treated so poorly.
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Post subject: Re: Heroes of Newerth (Remake of Dota)
Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 7:02 am
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His passives make him strong, so it isn't like they are a waste. He is a strong carry and extremely hard to beat in a 1v1. Once you get mock on him, your ult is really deadly because the clones also use mock (they don't stack though). As long as you get the right items you will own :p. After mock you get heart and man, you are deadly. Extra health makes his passive (dissipate or something) godly.
Post subject: Re: Heroes of Newerth (Remake of Dota)
Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 9:50 am
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Sand Wraith needed a nerf in my opinion... and Madman still needs a bigger nerf, or a removal -_- Hellbringer definitely did not need a buff also, and devourer's hook imo should be more like 650>800>950>1100... level one hook = deadly now
Definitely want to use devourer, torturer, and slither more now though
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Post subject: Re: Heroes of Newerth (Remake of Dota)
Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 5:12 pm
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Phantasma wrote:
Sand Wraith needed a nerf in my opinion... and Madman still needs a bigger nerf, or a removal -_- Hellbringer definitely did not need a buff also, and devourer's hook imo should be more like 650>800>950>1100... level one hook = deadly now
Definitely want to use devourer, torturer, and slither more now though
I woudn't complain about Devourer's hook, I mean come on, he's lv.1 hook was ridiculous But just like you I can't wait to play Slither again,one of the first hero I played.(Miro&Bizz,remember my uber nubness with him? )
Post subject: Re: Heroes of Newerth (Remake of Dota)
Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 10:16 pm
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True. Was just talking about heroes with insane HP regen, tanking fountains etc. Would be funny if slither kind of hard-counters that after this patch hits.
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Its kinda a beta-beta 
