The ANTI-BOT system (with screenshots!)

Toshiharu · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 4222 **Location:** Nowhere

SilentCurse wrote:

Toshiharu wrote:

GameGuard is a piece of shit.

cause its disabled,all u see is just pop up of it but again if they use a point system of Game Guard that works like this

1-Give 10 points,and Deduct point upon detection(5 for bot 2 for loader 2 for pk2 modification)

2-if the program can go under game guard then all they need is for them to download the new ver of the bot and make it detectable

3- if 10 points have been taken a player get banned for 6 months

No, I literally mean it. Game Guard is a piece of shit. You can snag it to msn and the game will still run. By 'snag' I mean it'll start checking MSN rather than the game client.

You think just, because it is off doesn't mean it sucks even if it was on. On or off it'll have no effect on anyone, but the out dated junk people use.

NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Sat Feb 28, 2009 2:58 pm

SilentCurse wrote:

Toshiharu wrote:

GameGuard is a piece of shit.

cause its disabled,all u see is just pop up of it but again if they use a point system of Game Guard that works like this

1-Give 10 points,and Deduct point upon detection(5 for bot 2 for loader 2 for pk2 modification)

2-if the program can go under game guard then all they need is for them to download the new ver of the bot and make it detectable

3- if 10 points have been taken a player get banned for 6 months

Too bad GG is client side protection

_MvP_ · **Joined:** Jan 2009 **Posts:** 1423 **Location:**

Your enthusiasm is nice.
But thats not issue here, Joymax have ways to prevents bots and to get rid off them easy, but they dont want to remove main source of income.

PR0METHEUS · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 4093 **Location:** Earth

It can't hurt to have Game Guard running, but they need more than that. They need something server-side running to monitor game activities. Maybe they have something, maybe it's just not working correctly. Or perhaps their idea of 'correctly working' is different than our idea of 'correctly working'. Either way, something needs to be running on the server, that the players have zero control over, but that software has 100% control over the players to ban or otherwise punish them if they misbehave... or at least to flag the players to a REAL GM to handle the situation.

GMs shouldn't rely on the players as a sole source for 'bad behaviour' reports. Use the players, but have something else there too.

William-CL · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 7363 **Location:** N/A

advisor wrote:

u r forgetting joymax luvs bots, 80% of their cash prolly comes from botters.. they alrdy know ppl bot but they dont bann them.. >_>

At the same time, out of most of the bots I see, No premium pets or tickets at all. So I doubt it's 80%, but I/m still assuming a good lump of their money.

The Furious Ninja · **Joined:** Nov 2008 **Posts:** 353 **Location:**

imgagine you're fighting 5 giants at once, then some one flags you gives you like 30 seconds to type it in, you either die or dc

jabbers · **Posted:** Sun Mar 01, 2009 5:29 am

Toshiharu wrote:

So you're telling me.. I'd like to take a shit, smoke break, eat, play with my balls, etc etc for 5~15minutes then come back to relog for a good 10minutes(I'm cheap no premium)... Instead I should play a real game then D: such as OMFGZ Killzone 2(awesome game)Outrageous!

but don't forget if this thing was in action it probably wouldnt take 10 mins to log in since AFKers would be getting booted left and right

PR0METHEUS · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 4093 **Location:** Earth

Instead of Joymax trying to develop a system so users can flag bots, or report bots, or put an arrow over a bots head... Joymax needs to have full time active GMs.

The SRO community needs to stop 'trying to' murder the GMs on sight.

The SRO community should not crowd around the GMs in the hundreds whenever they appear. Let them do their jobs.

HAM · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 30 **Location:**

Joymax will never implant this
they LOVE bots
that's why there removed those flying mang things that kill you if you hit them ( autohunter things)

Shadowfox542 · **Joined:** Jul 2008 **Posts:** 914 **Location:**

Best solution is to make it 5 dollars a month, everyone has a 4 week GT/SPGT, active GMs

DarkJackal · **Joined:** Feb 2006 **Posts:** 6119 **Location:** A den~

Shadowfox542 wrote:

Best solution is to make it 5 dollars a month, everyone has a 4 week GT/SPGT, active GMs

Joymax laughs at you.

tuxcomputers · **Posted:** Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:42 pm

REBD wrote:

I am curious, can you explain us how you see that? what do you mean by client and server sided. I would love to hear about it.

All of ther captcha stuff is done client side. It wortks like this:

Start SRO
Enter username/password
Sent and checked on server
Server responds 'Ok'
Client generates image
You enter code
Client sends to the server 'They got code correct, let them in'
You enter server

Totally useless because the bots skip steps 5 and 6. To make it a real PITA for botters it should work like this:

Enter username/password
Server responds 'Ok' or 'Sorry we is full, pick another'
Server generates image
You enter the code
Client sends code to server
Server compares original code with recieved code

The problem with this is that not everyone uses the characters we do (Korean/Chinese etc). The solution is that you set the language in the Options. When asking for the image the server generates the image in that type of character.

angelfire101 · **Posted:** Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:49 pm

a lot of freakin boter complains :banghead:

just think bout it if this gets implemented..

the legit sro i used to play when we were WOWED! by degree 7 players dominating us lowbies.

Nixie · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 1108 **Location:**

STOP trying to get stupid shit to the game. I have a hard time logging in already, I don't really want to see one of those pop up when I'm grinding. -_-"

Nixie · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 1108 **Location:**

ofy1993 wrote:

Nixie wrote:

STOP trying to get stupid shit to the game. I have a hard time logging in already, I don't really want to see one of those pop up when I'm grinding. -_-"

genious, if those pop up. you won't have traffic.

But some retard who buys gold will just make a few accounts and annoy you to hell with these captchas. And even if it is implanted, most bots will get past it.

What do you learn out of this? Trying to stop bots, coming up with ideas will just make it even worse for you. Just play the game as it is or quit it.

justaskphil · **Joined:** Dec 2006 **Posts:** 734 **Location:**

PR0METHEUS wrote:

Instead of Joymax trying to develop a system so users can flag bots, or report bots, or put an arrow over a bots head... Joymax needs to have full time active GMs.

The SRO community needs to stop 'trying to' murder the GMs on sight.

The SRO community should not crowd around the GMs in the hundreds whenever they appear. Let them do their jobs.

Yep, that's what it boils down to. An active set of GMs with the ability to ban bots on sight could clear out a couple hundred goldbot accounts (and some player accounts) in problem areas on every server pretty quick. Could place them in a pickle at JM though...do you really want to bite the hand that allegedly feeds you? (Although most goldbots don't have any tickets at all, so who's getting rich off of that)

I imagine that if any GM were to log into a server...every single day...and run around and do their job - pretty soon it wouldn't be a spectacle anymore. Just a thought.

I played Perfect World for a bit. Great GM system - game has no bots; they get banned very quickly. If you had a problem, you could send a pm/bot report to a GM. If there was one online, they would actually reply to you, to inquire further about your problem...or they would mysteriously appear next to you, and ask you to type in all chat about your issue. Reporting a bot? Done in two minutes - the other character would sometimes disappear right before your eyes & you'd see the GM 'banned' as a server notice.

Great ideas listed, but IMHO there's nothing like the human touch when it comes to customer service. You can run programs on the server side to detect patterns and what not, but you can't beat the human eye. Active GMs that clear things out is the way to go. I'm sure there's enough people that would serve as GMs/Assistants for free (maybe just kick 'em a premium tick every month, or drop some silk on their acct) just to help. That's not a whole lot to ask for! :banghead:

Launger · **Joined:** Mar 2009 **Posts:** 106 **Location:**

no,
example1: thiefs flagspam a traderun party, kill them while they type the code, and with 50k spent each, ppl get slain.
example2: joymax

But as stated above, active GM's ARE needed.

penfold1992 · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 4060 **Location:**

active GM's + bot bans + iq > 5 = win game

marijnz0r · **Posted:** Tue Apr 07, 2009 7:53 pm

JoyMax doesn't earn money with this.
Nice try though.

Launger · **Joined:** Mar 2009 **Posts:** 106 **Location:**

marijnz0r wrote:

JoyMax doesn't earn money with this.

It's not aprils fools day anymore.

Also, i posted a picture of a Turkish gentleman discribing a new hack.

Breed · **Posted:** Wed Apr 08, 2009 8:01 am

I think it's a great idea.

If only Joymax could recognise it.

Also,

p48l0 wrote:

Only works if the player is in combat

So people fighting uniques, plvling, or whatever wont be spammed.

/cleared up

chickenfeather · **Posted:** Fri Apr 10, 2009 12:34 pm

In addition to the 50k, make it so that when the person that is flagged answers the question correctly, then the person that does the flagging gets banned for 1 hr. This would prevent a lot of the abuse.

REBD · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 601 **Location:**

ibtl. At least I wish I was.

angelfire101 · **Posted:** Sat Apr 11, 2009 4:12 am

as if joymax really cares. :banghead:

joymax: whine sucker babies! we get the cash you get the crap! :twisted:

Ishagmuro · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 230 **Location:**

NAHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Bots won the war years ago

Doppleganger · **Posted:** Sat Apr 11, 2009 10:46 am

I'm gonna go ahead and park this here.

|^^^^^^^^^^^^^|
|---SUCK TRUCK----|'|""";.., ___.
|_…__…_________|= _|__|…, ]|
"(@ )'(@ )""""*|(@ )*(@ )***(@ )

Fermions · **Joined:** Dec 2008 **Posts:** 158 **Location:**

Doppleganger wrote:

I'm gonna go ahead and park this here.

|^^^^^^^^^^^^^|
|---SUCK TRUCK----|'|""";.., ___.
|_…__…_________|= _|__|…, ]|
"(@ )'(@ )""""*|(@ )*(@ )***(@ )

lmfao, where do you come up with this stuff lol

+++ · **Posted:** Sat Apr 11, 2009 7:41 pm

If the person fails to enter the captcha, the person should get the 50k back. But if the person succeeds to enter the captcha, he loses the 50k. Also people out of town who haven't killed a monster in 10-20 seconds shouldn't be able to get flagged, this will avoid disconnecting afk uses out of town.

Didn't read the whole thread, so I'm not sure if it's been suggested already. Just my thoughts.

Nitro · **Joined:** Sep 2007 **Posts:** 4769 **Location:**

Best option would be that Joymax hires some people, that are mature, responsible and active daily in game, and pay them like 500 silk / month, and they would do the job that Joymax's Game Masters are supposed to do in game.

I would be willing to do that, win-win situation; better gameplay and I get silk.

BloodyBlade · **Posted:** Sat Apr 11, 2009 7:53 pm

Nitro wrote:

Best option would be that Joymax hires some people, that are mature, responsible and active daily in game, and pay them like 500 silk / month, and they would do the job that Joymax's Game Masters are supposed to do in game.

100silk a month would be enough for me. But I didn't waste any money on this game yet ^^

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