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 Post subject: CRAZY? just might be the next bid HIT(literally)
PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:34 am 
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ok i know i know str+int+ wort build ever BUT READ ON.

lets say your a wizard ok? you are thiefing or PVP or something like that.
you are fighting and nukihng blah blah blah. YET here comes a pure STR chinese ( fricken auto potters)
your saying come on die die die.
he doesnt of course.
he gets really close to you..... thinking he can one shot you easly.
but BAM go in to your daggers. STEALTH
Chinease: wtf did he go?



BAM you your prick
BAM you use combo blow ( crit crit)
(switch to staff)
use teleport.(sending your far away)
FIRE NUKE

BAM DEAD




i know ppl say well wizard already have stealth. BUT do wizards have crit. NO. Posion? NO
insainly fast attacks? NO NO and NO


so i think this is a very awsome build.
be a 2:1 int


whats wrong with this build?
hella SP usage

whats good with this build?
HELLA PWNAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!






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 Post subject: Re: CRAZY? just might be the next bid HIT(literally)
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Rogue/Wizard doesn't really work. As you already know, Rogues depend on strength and Wizards require intelligence. Your solution was to hybridize. However, for European classes, going hybrid will simply chop your damage by a considerable amount without any benefit. As a 2:1 STR:INT build, like you suggested, your rogue skills would be considerably weaker and so would your wizard skills.

Your PVP strategy doesn't really work as well. Stealth cannot be used during battle. If you try to stealth and the enemy has already targeted you, they can hit you the moment you enter stealth and you will still die.

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lets say your a wizard ok? you are thiefing or PVP or something like that.
you are fighting and nukihng blah blah blah. YET here comes a pure STR chinese ( fricken auto potters)
your saying come on die die die.
he doesnt of course.
he gets really close to you..... thinking he can one shot you easly.
but BAM go in to your daggers. STEALTH
Chinease: wtf did he go?


Wizards really need their invisible and high hitting attacks. Most likely a pure INT wizard would be 2 - 3 shotting a Chinese class even if they are higher than you.

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BAM you your prick
BAM you use combo blow ( crit crit)

After you have already revealed yourself using your wizard attacks, Prick would not be the best choice. It is a VERY slow casting attack and uses 10% of your HP, cutting down on survivability. Without Dagger Desperate on, it will not do very much damage for the long cast time. Furthermore, because you are a theoretical hybrid, it would be doing even less even with critical.

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(switch to staff)
use teleport.(sending your far away)
FIRE NUKE

BAM DEAD


Again, as a hybrid your attacks would be doing much less and you have both less HP and defense than a full STR rogue.

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 Post subject: Re: CRAZY? just might be the next bid HIT(literally)
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how much weaker?

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I don't really feeling like calculating, but let's just say your HP will suffer immensely from going 2:1 STR hybrid. Your increased MP won't matter a bit. If you tried to use wizard skills as a hybrid, you would run out of MP even faster than before. Even pure INT wizards can drain their MP bar by casting a few attacks. That's why they need to go pure INT; because their attacks, magic defense, and mana pool depend on it. Rogues need their larger resevoir of HP and physical defense and attack to kill. Mixing the two up will not produce good results.

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what do you recomend for a rogue then besides bard or cleric

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barefootdan wrote:
what do you recomend for a rogue then besides bard or cleric


Even though Bard and Cleric subclasses are probably overused and cliche by now, they are popular for a reason. Bard provides the obvious speed boost and protection from aggro monsters while Cleric increases your survivability. People tend to pick these two subs over time because they simply help more than others. If you really, really want to be unique, pick a Warrior or Warlock sub. Rogue/Warrior can be done. My guild mate is one, and she first uses invisible and crossbow to range people, then when they get close, she switches to 2 hand sword and PVPs like normal while occasionally switching to Xbow again to KB/KD. Warlock subs, in my opinion, do not help as much as other subs. You will lose your element of surprise and the debuffs are not guaranteed to work. Rogues can already slaughter people fast enough without it.

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how do you like your rogue cleric?

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barefootdan wrote:
how do you like your rogue cleric?


My rogue is very... average. It's just like all the other Rogue/Bards and Rogue/Clerics out there. I think both subs are good for them. And like all other rogues, mine could kill nukers in one hit without using crossbow extreme. Yet again, I felt that rogue PVP was boring because it was always one sided. Either you win or you don't. So I switched to Warlock.

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barefootdan wrote:
but BAM go in to your daggers. STEALTH
Chinease: wtf did he go?


Stealth is not invincible. Fire Combustion skill tree for the win :)


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how do you feel about the rogue/lock?
best of both worlds?
is it a good PVE?

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barefootdan wrote:
how do you feel about the rogue/lock?
best of both worlds?
is it a good PVE?


I am not a Rogue/Warlock so I cannot say 8)
But I can assume that even with the Warlock debuffs, stun, and sleep, a Rogue/Lock would still die very fast. If you are going to take the time to use the debuffs, you may as well go Warlock as your main.

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if it dont why not use them as 2 different char?
in a party? use lock
pvp or pve use rogue good?

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barefootdan wrote:
if it dont why not use them as 2 different char?
in a party? use lock
pvp or pve use rogue good?


Yeah I think Warlocks and Rogues should both be main classes. Like Rogue/Wizard, their fighting styles are too different. Both Warlocks and Rogues are OK in parties. Warlocks may be more useful because of their scream mask and debuffs which work well on party monsters. Rogues, as far as I can tell, can only use Long Shot and Fast Shot in parties because you are not supposed to knockback or knockdown.

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If you want to take warlock as a sub, I'd suggest getting warrior as a main, preferrably 1h warrior. Get the debuffs on them, and switch to sword then whack away lol

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how are bards at high lvls?
i heard that they pwn

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