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The only problem now that there is no 2 strong bow in row .. some say it's a bug but seems that JM will leave it for years

and you forgot the fact that 70:70 phy defence armour>pure str defence garment
that's why the critical is different if im not wrong

ABOUT THE CRIT

I will tell you gooddata about the crit ...

First of all we already know that crit is an attack based on phy ...
To be accurate it's 2X phy damge you do with no crit ...
Just pick an str or hybrid or int build and go use weapon skills (without imbue) till you have crit and you will see that the damge go for 2 X at all cases ...

The point that make people say that hybrid do damge less than pure str that the phy base damge (which will be double when crit) is a lot higher if you are str build ... BUT they forget that 70:70 build have high mag attack that will add damge to the attack ..

Some of people already know that .. and know that the question is :
Is the mag damge from imbue is high enough to full the gap in phy*2 come from crit ?

No one has answered this question before .. But I will help you

Pure str bow when use auto attack + imbue in PVE (against monsters) his damge will be (65% from phy , 35% from mag) [Don't be shocked that's from real number for a naked pure str character lvl 32(94%:32% balance] ..
When he crit his damge will be (0.65*2 + 0.35) = 1.65 from his non-crit attack ...

70:70 hybrid when use auto attack + imbue in PVE his damge is (30% from phy , 70% from mag )
When he crit he will (0.30*2 + 0.70) = 1.3 from his non-crit damge ...

And to compare of these 2 values we need to know what's te multipile number in damge that 70:70 do higher than pure str (naked, and in the same lvl, with npc weapon ) ..

Say that pure STR do (X) damge , 70:70 do (Y) damge
And when crit it will be :
Cx = (0.65*2 + 0.35) X = 1.65 X
Cy = (0.30*2 + 0.70) Y = 1.30 Y

So if we said that crit from pure str and 70:70 will be the same (for example) ..
We should say that :
Cx = Cy
1.65 X = 1.30 Y
Y = 1.65/1.3 X = 1.27 X ..

That mean if 70:70 bow do 27% more damge than pure str bow in normal attack+imbue , they will both do the same damge when they crit ...

That's a result we can say for normal attack + imbue ... but when we use weapon skills the part of phy damge in overall damge will increase and part of mag damge will decrease .. and the formula will not be Cx= 1.65 X & Cy= 1.3 Y ... it may be Cx= 1.8 X , and Cy = 1.4 Y .. (I'm not sure I need to test this in the game) so we will need to calculate again ..



(made by elnawawi)

lol u just owned yourself ffs

replying on elnawawi posts with his own data lmao
I think we already know that pure str crit>70:70 crits (not that much tho)
whats the point of pulling of a discussion about criticals?

Full STR and 70:70(80:80) hit around the same dmg, but with the 70:70 build the crit is not always thesame. With Full str you know if you hit 6k normal, you'll hit 12k crit. With 70:70 you hit like 8k normal and sometimes you crit with 10k, sometimes 12k, sometimes 13k.

Doctor_MOS and elnawawi

Why do you guys care SO MUCH about a stupid game? You spend all your time in your life researching builds and defending that stupid INT build. Get out and stop talking about SRO, look at all the posts you make, there like a page long each... Just let people do what they want to do in SRO and stop always trying to defend 70:70 its not as great as you guys say it is, just let people choose by not spamming every topic with stupid stuff.

lol ..
you get owned

If it's a stupid game and it's waste of time can you tell me Why you play it ? Why you are very angery from 70:70 build ? why you participate here in this forum ? !!!!!!!!

And you want us stop talking about it and not spamming formulas and researches about the builds when people ask about what's build to do and wanna us let people choose theirselfs , Can you tell me Why you spam in every topic in the forum this noob word : " Pure STR bow ?!!!!!!

I just prove with more than one evidance that JM made chinese to be more hybrid and that Chinese Bow is Totaly hybrid weapon , Can you prove by any way that your STR bow is the best choice and 70:70 sux instead of spamming noob objection at all our posts about hybrid ?

My post here calculate damge on pure str glaviers in garment by skills..
Numbers for 70:70 taken from KAWS vedio
Numbers for pure str bow taken from watching pure str bower pvp everywhere ...

The older post with formula calculate damge for normal attack+imbue on monsters
Numbers are taken from 2 of my characters (pure str & 70:70) on mangyang

From formula in PVE and numbers of damge on pure str glaviers in garment I think that 70:70 will crit harder than pure str on ppl who wear armor because phy def of armor will make pure str crit sux ... 70:70 will take more benfits from mag attack ..

In my server Pure str bower crit only 8 k by last strong bow IN ZERK on lvl 75 s/s in armor (don't have the last chest yet) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
when this bower get sun weapon and that s/s get his complete last set +5 and be 80 fully farmed the sun weapon will not make more damge ..

look at kaws vedio he crit with more than 5k on lvl 80 farmed s/s with full +4 +5 last set ...

Wow you seriously have some anger problems.

and actually u just cant accept the fact that 70:70 own full str.dun worry i understand bcuz im a full str but gonna change to blade.and it is the fact that i find that their crit are similar too not much damage increase.70:70 snow shield bow ownz full str fire bow.accept the fact.everyone know these long ago its being discussed already.

and most people already know that bow are hybrid so does glavie. 70:70 bow win full str bow and 70:70 glavie won full str glavie.u can search youtube for videos i remenber someone posted this before somewhere in this forum.and that glavie was using fire.if he changed to ice he will own pretty much with snowshield.

and also full str are for tanking purpose.nowadays since 70:70 bow can tank too.victory belongs to 70:70. High damage and tank.what the heck can u said ? and if that dude has anger problem u got mental problem... sorry for insulting u but its the fact...

and i tink with snowshield 70:70 bow tank better than pure str.when nuke hits them, the damage inflicted are weaker compare to pure str.
pure builds are for europes. its kind of sad but its really too bad for us since we got pure str.lets beg joymax for restat ticket or whatever things that allow us to restat.

Wow you act like Snow shield is AMAZING...well it is NOT. It lasts 2 minutes...2 MINUTES!!! You can not tank every situation for only 2 minutes ! YOU face the facts that snowshield is not as good as it sounds. The time of use is very small, too small in fact to be as good as you make it sound.

I would love to see a 70:70 bow tank a pure str and beat him by the time Snow shield runs out.

yeah that's kinda the trick lol, killing them in those 2 mins

When im looking kaWs vids, i don't see him fight longer then 2 min (actually he often plays without ice snow) and he can still handle himself quite well.

atleast elnawawi got often good arqueing about his statement
Darkmaster: zomgzor roflmao 70:70 nooobzor pure str pw3d 70:70 shit crit can't win'

ffs...

ur forgetting kaws has some sun parts and sun bow

i think to resolve this problem is to find a 70:70 or 80:80 build bow and a Pure STR build bow equip them both with NPC gears also weps.

both must be fully farmed and have the same trees(i think the trees are not necesary:

First Test:

killing a Mangyang: they must first compare their damages.(not crit, and no zerk nor scrolls)

Second Test:

Killing a Mangyang 2: they must let out a crit.(no zerk nor scrolls)

Third Test:

PVP: they must kill each other 3 matches with in 5 rounds.

and yeah they must use X-large pots...

please no flames just a suggestion

70:70 needs his blues more then pure str

OH INDEED!!!! the power of 70:70 bow comes from full str/int gear. but reaching 80% on str side is kinda hard, u need 51+ str to get it. i have 50 str and 50 int on my gear...the balance from 70:70 changed to 79:84...kinda weird? same amount of both, but 5% difference. does it come from adding more int than str?

Lol , so your mind and information still +4 monthes ago and you still talk about the shity thing called "chinese tanking" .. man that's very old thing in SRO ... there is no pvp now last to reach even 2 minutes ... (only the boring pvp of 2 pure str chinese characters pvp) .. now every build can die in 1 hit ... i will tell you again :

Every Build in game can die in 1 hit ... 1 pure offering can kill 8 pure str glaviers in sun gear .. 1 crit from rogue kill pure str glavier in 1 hit .. a wizard or rogue non crit will kill anyone "even bladers" in 2~4 hits .. even warlok will kill you in less than 45 sec .. also lvl 73 2handed sword crit 13k on pure str glavier 80 fully farmed .. he kill fast too

Now tanking is impossible without super def buff " snow shield , iron skin , bless spell , guard tambour , etc " ... The only build can tank long time enough is pure str blader with cold imbue + chains VS non-immune ppl .. and for sry blader cold can't kill anyone even if they are with no snow shield ... and my hybrid 1:1 glavier kill him in 3~4 skills if i freeze/stun him while i can leave him attacking me and go to have some tea and may go o sleep till my HP pots ended ..

Accept the fact that hybrid with snow shield have more chance to tank than pure str or just shut up and stop saying shit

70:70 seems like a good build but I just don't see it having a future as the cap raises. While Pure STR won't have any trouble with masteries and cap raise.

Docter_Mos and elnawawi... can you stop being nerds for once in your life? Stop posting storys every time you try to back up your STUPID BUILD. I like pure str, I recommend pure str, so I don't see the problem of when someone asks, "What bow build should I be" or something similiar and I simply respond Pure STR...If you don't like the fact that I respond like that then go get help or quit the forums.

Darkmaster, you're way out of line. They are supporting the build they like with actual information on about the build which is valuable for anyone who wants to learn about the 70:70 build.

If you haven't notice, this thread is about debating which to choose.

From what I seen from you were either insulting the 70:70 supporters or outright bashing the 70:70 just because you favor the pure strength build.

Flaming isn't arguing.

I am not insulting the 70:70 supporters at all...I am just giving my side of the build. Don't try to put them as the little nice kids...they "bash" Pure STR supporters more than anyone I have ever seen on these forums.

I am in favor of the pure str build...what is wrong with that?

I suppose calling them nerds or telling them to get a life aren't insults. Great.

Nothing wrong about supporting your favored build, but what you're doing wasn't the brightest idea.

personally until u get to 80 u cant say which is better ;p but thats kinda wrong

wish we had test servers for builds

pretty true.

and i just saw this topic, i dont really scopr around this section much but this is what i said in another topic



and yeah, he did switch the bow to spear cuz 70 70 bow sucked compared to his full str bow.

and what has become of his str bower? glavie now

Nice find fudge

WOOT PURE STR BOW FTW...what are you guys going to do about it? Post a story length post about how it sucks?



...ok...? Does it look like I care what your opinion is to my posts?

DarkMaster you said that elnawi and Doctor_MOS need to get a real life but you seem to be the one obsessed with proving that "PURE STR BOW FTW" jumping down people's throats whenever they say otherwise.

What's even sadder is that you look like an idiot because you can't come up with any proof for why pure strength is good. Oh yeah, your only proof is being immature calling them "nerds" for coming up with information you're either too lazy or idiotic(more likely) to find.

Darkmaster you are going way to far lol...
I like 70:70 better, that's me
But where did you read when i said: Pure str bow suckzors?

Please quote me

You are trying to prove facts with your flames, atleast some str players come with data, which is more apreciated then your kind of posting...

And ffs, nerds? how old are you, you act like 1-2 years old kid
*I can ignore if you are flaming my arguing...But now you are offending me personal, which imo shouldn't be allowed

The way of you are acting/reacting
Respect my opinion, i'll respect yours
Try to argue about your opinion, react on my opinions data, but preferleby don't flame it and don't attack me personal