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Ryoko
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Post subject: Ice vs Lightning vs Force? Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 3:38 am |
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I chose lightning and Bow as my primary skills.
But now I see how cold can totally imobilize another player in combat.
What in invaluable skill. The ability to prevent them from doing anything. Wow.
So I put some points into cold.
I didn't know you cant use both in combat, you have to pick one. For example, you can charge lightning, and use a bow skill. I thought you could do all three.
What a waste of skillpoints, the cold was.
So maybe it was a totaly waste putting all this into lightning, when your enemy can freeze you.
Now I see a lot of people with Force magics. They have ressurect and all. Maybe I should do that. LOL.... Sigh.
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Demarthl
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 4:57 pm |
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build your character around your style of gameplay, i'll give you an example.
Moogie here is a spear, cold and force lady. she kicks much ass, and only takes a few hits and doesnt pot often, a more relaxed strategy, she'll pull a mob to her kill it and rest if she needs to.
Demarthl, thats me  , spear, lightning and force. now, a word of warning, any mob in a 2m radius of the mob you attack with lightning imbue gets hit lightning spreads. it does higher damage but doesnt effect the enemies status at all (parry reduce is useless), my gaming style as ive got used to fighting off a swarm of carp because of lightning, is, i run in screaming like a scottish berzerker weilding a glowing spoon, wreckless you could say, pot like a wizard and come out alive ^^.
both of us kill the mobs we are on in the same amount of time/attacks and progress equally, finding the right build to your gaming style is what counts!
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Black_Mamba
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 5:38 pm |
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yeh theres so many different combinations. i was using ice/bow until level 20 and then i thought spear/ice was effective. so now my ice is very high and im using both the fourth ones on each weapon but i cant decide which weapon to go with. the bow kills them before i get to them but the spear does much more damage, arg it's really frustrating and i keep changing my mind lol
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Moogie
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 4:53 am |
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If you're an Int character, like me, you'll want to kill as quickly as possible, while reducing the chance that your enemy will hit you fast.
My character build achieves this perfectly: Full Int means that my HP is low, but I have plenty of MP to spend and my magic attack is very high. I use a Spear weapon, which, combined with my magic, makes for very hard hitting magical attacks. The Ice magic that I imbue into my weapon slows the enemy down and keeps them away from my valuable, fragile amount of HP, and this is ideal because Spears are slow weapons and it takes me a while to dish out the uber damage. A note on my build for PvP: I like to refer to it as a 'shock troop'. If I don't get the first hit, I will lose any PvP battle. Same for any Int character, because our HP really is pitiful.
I wouldn't recommend Ice magic for a bow user. Fire sounds most suitable, in my opinion. You can hit extremely fast, so you want the magic type that deals the most possible damage to the enemy. As for your character build, pure Int or an Int/Str hybrid sounds best.
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Black_Mamba
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 5:06 am |
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Thanks Moogie, so you've used full INT all the way with no STR at all? Which weapon/force skills do you have with that? I like using the first ice force one and the 4th weapon spear, is there anything else worth upgrading on it?
What's your current maximum HP/MP, I think mine is something like 1200/1700, will you be able to withstand attacks from level 40+ monsters having so little HP?
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Guest
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 7:13 am |
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By the way, watever you do, dont go for only ice. Ice is good for freezing enemies but they dont give out alot of damage. For a pure int char, its bad if you lengthen your battles. You want to kill things as fast as possible.
And from what I heard, pure int gets hard when your at higher lvls (50+). Dunno about it tho... havent gotten that far yet 
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Ryoko
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 7:19 am |
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Well whats killing me is, I can't use my lightning and cold at the same time, Like I use lightning and bow skill.
So what would be the point for me  If I charge up the cold, no lighting.
And I put points into it
You think I should put enuff points into cold to get the defensive bonus spells? Hmmm
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RaveN
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 7:44 am |
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I thought it was going to be the same as you... i was leveling up the different skills in hope that you could combine powers for an all-mighty blow... but no such luck. So i helped my gf with her character, only using one force skill and one weapon skill... she's kick-ass at level 22~!
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Caution
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 10:56 am |
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why do people keep saying there are so many options, THERE ARE LIKE 3 OPTIONS IN THIS GAME.
Especially since no one thinks ahead and plans to work in a guild structure, but I haven't seen the high end game so I could only speculate.
In EVERY MMO, there are three basic groups. Healers, tanks (people who take damage) and attackers. The idea is for the person who can absorb the damage the best to take the most damage, heal that person, and have damage dealers take out that monster.
The thing is, this game is so solo oriented that I'm not even sure if anything you do really matters. The potions are ridiculous, I almost quit the second I started playing once I found out about that bullsh*t, but since it was free I figured id check it out....
I hope the game gets hard enough that skills do matter. I'm used to everquest, where you had to have 50 people working together to get just about anything done. Somehow I don't see this game going in that direction and its kinda refreshing...
If you dont want to go wrong, go fire/str(glaive/blade) OR lightning/int(spear/sword/bow). I spread out my skills too much, I didn't read enough into the game before I started blowing my skill points and now i have fire/ice/lightning/weapon all pretty evenly mastered...
This game would be so much better if you could just reset all your skills every so often, like you could reset all your skills once a level or something instead of having to hassle with all the bullsh*t they put you though in this game. Then you could really recruit people for specific purposes and it wouldnt matter that you did everything perfect from the second you start playing this game. I nearly quit when I found out I had to pay 30k a skill point and I still lost 20% of the SP.
Just rambling... drunk and tired, I hate this game.
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Moogie
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 12:48 pm |
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Actually, Ice alone isn't slow at all. As Dem has mentioned previously, both of us dispatch of our-level monsters in 2-3 hits. He uses Lightning and I use Ice, and there's little difference between the damage we dish out.
Caution, there are more than 3 feasable options to how you build your SRO character. I'm sorry to hear that you messed yours up a little, but I can see where you went wrong- there just isn't enough SP to spend raising 4 skilltrees simultaneously. And the lower your Masteries in comparison to your main character level, the slower you will gain XP, which may also account for some of your frustrations. Regardless, as long as one sticks to 2-3 skilltrees or less, you can play pretty much any combination of magic/weapon use easily. There is one thing to watch out for- if you're going to be using magic, raise Int. It sounds obvious, sure, but you'd be suprised...
Skills are absolutely essential to anyone who isn't a level 10 newbie. Definitely once you reach the first milestone of lv20, I can't imagine being able to do much unless you're a pure Str character. SRO is horribly, horribly biased towards Str users. :/
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:56 pm |
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I'm level 29 and i have each of my 4 masterys around 27, it's not that bad. I already reset some of my skills, I'm probably going to continue to do that. it's still beta, at least I found out now. I obviously would have gone str/ice and weapon mastery, or just gone str/fire. The thing is, I like using the magic +% skill (must piercing or whatever), even though I do a lot of physical damage, the increase in magical damage must still help somewhat.
If the game is made for str users, then there is plenty of room for at least two more catagories... maybe not right now, but definately when they open the rest of the map and monsters take more than one person to kill.
If you use the tank/damage deal/healer strat, the best basic group would probably be:
str/ice
int/lightning or fire (arrow)
int/healer
int spear users would take agro from the str/ice build, arrow users stay further away so the monster will attack the closest person. Like i was saying, I don't even know if there is anything that even needs to be killed in this way yet, but if there are 8 person share xp groups, you can imagine that things are going to get pretty hard.
Fire definately out damages Ice, and its close to lightning. The main importance of fire and lightning are the self-spells that increase your stats (physical and magic damage). Ice is more defensive, thats why its perfect for someone who should be taking the most damage. You don't need two ice masterys in a group, one person is enough, the rest should be focused on dealing damage or healing.
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Blain
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:01 pm |
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well my character is mostly str with a touch of int. im basicaly a monk in short terms, i heal for 1000 hp and i can resy up to 41 witch is higher then my character so it dont realy matter. im still haveing problems figureing out my skill points but im working on it as best i can. but i feel ill be more important character later in the game for ppl in parties. so that my goal 
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 2:29 am |
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Well ! I started out play SRO a year back in Korea, and has the same confusion as many of you.
Here is what I gathered :
There are 4 major of template : full str, full Int, 2 Int 1 str, 2 str 1 Int. Being the first two are more popular, however they require careful crafting on your skills. Full str does highest physical damage and full Int does highest magic attack.
For Full Int / 2 Int, 1 str :
Most popular being Spear with light major/ Ice sup. Second by sword/shield with lighting major/ice sup. While Spear allow you to add HP and sword/shield has the highest defend.
Why lighting and ice ? Why not fire.
Both magic has AOE attack and effect. You can combo attack using both spell. Fire being the higest magic attack do not have this utility. However, it can add to magic defend. But being full Int, you magic defend it high enough.
For full Str /2 str, 1 Int :
Most goes with fire since Glavie/fire, since fire has a DOT effect and highest magic attack. However, being full str, your magic damage with weapon style is minimium (around 100-200). But being full str, you have change to do criti attack that is twice or more you weapon style damage.
Some goes with glavie/ice too for the effect, usually use with combo attack.
There also blade/shield with Ice/lighting, ice/fire combination. This gear toward PvP. PvM will be a pain.
Some like to goes with Bow as well. Bow has medium speed and damage. One good thing about Bow, It has the highest criti rate amount all other weapons. Being full str, you find yourself criti very often. Most like to goes with Ice/Fire for it.
As of which skill you should learn in each, that depend on your play styles.
Hope this help
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Demarthl
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 5:39 am |
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I'm sure this has been said before.
don't use your sp to get a skill "you just want one of" it's a complete waste unless you plan to rack the masteries up and add it to your skill collection
Monsters do not attack the nearest person if they have been hit, they go for the person who has done the most damage to them, generally thats me, lightning spear imbue and soul spear smash busts heads for 1500+
it is not the hardest hit, it is a total accumalative damage
that means for a bow it would be:
Hardshot 900 quad shot 140, 140, 140, 180 standard shot 400 = 1900
lightning spear:
soul spear 1500 3 combo 180 250 680 spin attack 1000 = 3610
whatever managed to surviev both sets of attacks (like a giant) would then go for the lightning spear
problem is, being pure int and crashing damage like so, you take a lot of hits, i pot like a maniac to live through my wrecklessness, throughout my progression up to now (35) i have noticed a distinct lack of damaging magic enemies, perhaps they come later, so, although i don't wear it, i would suggest an int user wear protector, so it saves you some mana, but also takes a lot of physical hits off, Armor is way tio slow and does nothing for your mana consumption, and garment has the risk of you getting hurt fast.
overall though, it's all built around you, my setup will most likely not work for you or anyone else, and vice versa, just experiment, not like you dont get second chances ^^
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Gunit69
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:09 am |
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Every force is good with any weapon. so *****************! (except cold/blade or sword does sound like shit dmg)
im spear/cold + fire and im kickin the shit outa everything ive fought, including monsters higher level than me (im lvl 22)
Im roughly 2:1 str to int ratio and im doin fine
got around 1300 hits and 900 mana, and doing fine
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 9:36 am |
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Would anyone do the combo of spear/ lightning + fire?
Is that a good or bad mix...? 
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 3:28 pm |
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Cold Blade + fire buff = God
Cold Sword + light + ice nuke = God
BH has raised several of these types in the guild.. gangster.
Cold is ideal PVP. just to let you all know.
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dylli
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 1:34 am |
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yes
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casusclay
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 2:28 am |
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I use both in combat with mobs that r more powerfull than i m. with the same lvl monsters i use just fire
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alZen
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 5:57 am |
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hi to the new breed of thread diggers.
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imp3r10
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 10:14 pm |
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no offense but your an admin here and you didn't know u can combine imbues?
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 10:54 pm |
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imp3r10 wrote: no offense but your an admin here and you didn't know u can combine imbues?
look at the start date please think most of us did not know all information about the game
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papa59roach
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 10:57 pm |
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dylli wrote: yes
wow what the f*ck dude. ive seen u bumping multiple topics older than a year
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 11:03 pm |
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dylli wrote: yes
wow you dug up a thread that is over a year old lol
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 12:33 am |
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Demarthl wrote: build your character around your style of gameplay, i'll give you an example. Moogie here is a spear, cold and force lady. she kicks much ass, and only takes a few hits and doesnt pot often, a more relaxed strategy, she'll pull a mob to her kill it and rest if she needs to. Demarthl, thats me  , spear, lightning and force. now, a word of warning, any mob in a 2m radius of the mob you attack with lightning imbue gets hit lightning spreads. it does higher damage but doesnt effect the enemies status at all (parry reduce is useless), my gaming style as ive got used to fighting off a swarm of carp because of lightning, is, i run in screaming like a scottish berzerker weilding a glowing spoon, wreckless you could say, pot like a wizard and come out alive ^^. both of us kill the mobs we are on in the same amount of time/attacks and progress equally, finding the right build to your gaming style is what counts!
dont want to say that. mislead ppl. over time it can be the differnce of dieing or living in pvp or pve
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 12:36 am |
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devilti wrote: Demarthl wrote: build your character around your style of gameplay, i'll give you an example. Moogie here is a spear, cold and force lady. she kicks much ass, and only takes a few hits and doesnt pot often, a more relaxed strategy, she'll pull a mob to her kill it and rest if she needs to. Demarthl, thats me  , spear, lightning and force. now, a word of warning, any mob in a 2m radius of the mob you attack with lightning imbue gets hit lightning spreads. it does higher damage but doesnt effect the enemies status at all (parry reduce is useless), my gaming style as ive got used to fighting off a swarm of carp because of lightning, is, i run in screaming like a scottish berzerker weilding a glowing spoon, wreckless you could say, pot like a wizard and come out alive ^^. both of us kill the mobs we are on in the same amount of time/attacks and progress equally, finding the right build to your gaming style is what counts! dont want to say that. mislead ppl. over time it can be the differnce of dieing or living in pvp or pve
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 1:48 am |
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devilti wrote: Demarthl wrote: build your character around your style of gameplay, i'll give you an example. Moogie here is a spear, cold and force lady. she kicks much ass, and only takes a few hits and doesnt pot often, a more relaxed strategy, she'll pull a mob to her kill it and rest if she needs to. Demarthl, thats me  , spear, lightning and force. now, a word of warning, any mob in a 2m radius of the mob you attack with lightning imbue gets hit lightning spreads. it does higher damage but doesnt effect the enemies status at all (parry reduce is useless), my gaming style as ive got used to fighting off a swarm of carp because of lightning, is, i run in screaming like a scottish berzerker weilding a glowing spoon, wreckless you could say, pot like a wizard and come out alive ^^. both of us kill the mobs we are on in the same amount of time/attacks and progress equally, finding the right build to your gaming style is what counts! dont want to say that. mislead ppl. over time it can be the differnce of dieing or living in pvp or pve
are you serious? really. tell me your joking.
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