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lmfao, wot site is that thing on? i wanna kno my colour

Defintely meant running speed for a xbow is really slow. Plus it is my understanding that you move even slower if using Stealth? Can anyone confirm whether or not you do move slower with Stealth?

with stealth you are damn slower



Yeah, me too

You move slower with stealth at first, but there is a passive that increases speed in stealth. Also, if you want to be fast all the time you can simply get bard subclass, if that's how you want to play your char.

But again, the discussion is about bow vs xbow, not really rogue+subclass vs pacheon+2 other masteries.

It would be the same speed if a bower does not have the lightning mastery, and after 100 cap, many will have to pick their masteries carefully.

its not about vs, it says 'or'. He's asking which class he should choose. but rogue doesn't have phantom

Rogue could have phantom with a wizard sub.
You couldn't win without discussing the attack skills so you are switching to subclass skills now? Geesh.

Bow doesn't have stealth.
Bow Can't use close range weapons without wasting 80 mastery points on a different mastery.
Bow can't use poison.
Bow can't track enemies.
Bow can't use confusion tactics, talking about the scorn skill, and mask/duplicate skills.
Bow can't use traps.

And that's just from the main rogue mastery.

Omg, rogue best class ever, everyone make one as fast as possible

Anyway im rogue, and i must say i hate bows because of their range, yes rogue crits hurt,but if i dont crit they can manage to kill me, especially few lvls later they will get KB skill, so it can interrupt skill charging and finishing rogue and its fast charge. So basically if you dont finish bow, you die, not as easy as to fight glaviers. Also its most of all of preferenes what you like more, cause you never know with what skills JoyMax will come up later, so stick with one you enjoy to play. Also xbow rogues are not good against shield users, while bows are better. Archers can get phantom, rogues also can kind of, but who will waste mastery on wizard sub? Also depedns if like 1 hit wonders, kill fast and die fast like rogues, or characters which can also tank like bows, cant tank only rogues and wizards very well , but can take part in interesting duels. So just pick what you like most, personally i hate gay looking light armor, stance, and crossbow, but stealth is sweet

Lightning or Fire or Ice really aren't a "sub class" on a Bow or indeed any Chinese character. A Chinese character needs to have an imbue ... though there are 3 imbues to choose from, again each with its own strength and weaknesses.

A Bow (and every other Chinese character) always has a magic + physical attack when you imbue (which everyone does). Some mobs or players are more easily damaged either physical or magic attacks ... an interesting factor perhaps.

X bow only a physical attack only ... all European characters either do a magical or physical attack but not both. I guess that makes the euros much more linear in how they are set up.

Chinese characters, including bows, are much better generalists than the European characters. Without switching a weapon I can do bow attacks, heal, run faster, increase defense without decreasing attack, increase attack without decreasing defense, and nuke if I so choose. I see the European builds as "one hit wonders". I know the rogue, wizard, and possibly the 2 hand sword warriors can 1 hit other players. But beyond that first hit ... I have yet to see them do much in game.

*Looks over list of specialized rogue skills*

I am not sure that being tracked by a character that is about as slow as molasses in January is a big threat. Plenty of rogues seem to use Stealth for the first hit outside of town ... and then run for the safe zone. Poisoning someone is only good if you live past the first hit ... plus everyone I know carries status pills for that. The mask skill is pretty obvious because their name is still floating above their head ... and I would guess the same thing happens with duplicate. Aren't the traps "poison traps"? Again poison isn't very dreadful. I haven't run into being under Scorn yet. Doesn't it do the Fear status and you just can't attack for a short bit and aren't there pills for that also?

I am not saying that xbow is not an interesting character. But it is not "godly" and "able to rule over all others" just by the fact of being a xbow. I have yet to run into a very good one yet but that is not to say there aren't good xbows out there. And I am sure there are people having a fun time playing xbow as well as chinese bows.

BTW the wizard skill makes you disappear ... for speed you would want a bard sub instead.

I never said xbow are godly, and they can kill any other character unlike bows. They cannot rule over anyone simply because of pot delay, none of the euro chars can rule over people, and neither can bow characters.

As for skills, sure poison can be cured, but it's still as useful as any of the imbue effects. I said the mask and duplicate skills are for confusion, if you select a target you can tell if they are using illusion skills since the buff shows up, the point is confusion. By the way, go and make a thief mask and walk around thieves to see how long it takes them to notice the hunter/trader icon. You can also use duplicate to see what thieves are wearing since it does not duplicate their thief uniform/wings.
Stealth is the single most important job skill when it comes to thieves and hunters. Many rogues just stealth and wait for their opponents, creating a surprise attack chance.
Tracking is also useful in jobbing and being slow has nothing to do with it, since you can always buy a potion or as many rogues do, choose bard as a subclass and have more speed than bowers at any level. Enough speed at level 80 to give you 5% on a level 80 bower even while wearing light armor.
As for scorn, it has great uses, you can even jump out and scron an enemy attacking your friend and take them out while they are still trying to attack your friend.

As for being a 1 hit wonder, there are many ways to survive much longer than 5 or 6 hits, including the usage of grains mixed with vigor grains or vigor potions and using the knock down and knock back skills to prevent 50% of attacks from landing.

I will give you the defense buffs, since rogues would need a friend that has cleric mastery or sub mastery for those, but your attack buffs mean nothing in comparison to the passive that rogues get to update every 4 levels up to the 100 cap [confurmed] and probably even up to the max cap. That's what? 8% from fire passive, ~10% from the fire buff compared to 80% at level 80. The rogues don't even need a buff to get the extra damage, and that passive would probably compensate for the imbue of pure str bows.


I am not saying bowers are bad characters, I am simply proving that xbow > bow and only the ability to inflict magical damage and the pot delay would be an exception, even when pot delay is a big concern. A PvP without pots would be like a level 80 fully farmed vs level 70 non-farmed.

Ah ... for a thief you mean. Perhaps you are right about thieves.

I am a hunter and so I probably have a different idea of what is important than you do. I would say bows are definitely better for hunters than xbows.

euro xbow does wayyy more dmg