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Ok folks today i was grinding, and i was writing down al my damages, crits non crits.

my strongbow crit was on a devil flower:4200 (average)
my strong bow non crit on a devil flower was 2750 (average)
4200/2750=1,53. That means my critical is 53% higher then my normal hit.

a pure str critical is based on normal damage*2=critical damage
that means if he want to hit 4200 too, he must hit 2100 non crit.
(71:67 damage/full str damage) 2750/2100=1.28
that means 71:67 is 28% higher then full str attack IF he could hit 4200 critical too
my question is. Arn't full str critical and 71:67 critical THE SAME??

i was thinking about this, becease i'm reading everywhere that full str critical is way higher then 71:67 critical. That would mean he would do more non crit damage then 2100. And the normal damage of a 71:67 would be just around 15% higher, but that isn't true

for example: if a pure str critical is 4800 (everyone is saying full str crit is higher) he must do around 2400 non crit damage. This would asume full str would do slight less damage then 71:67 (when they both havn't got a critical). Which isn't true


my english isn't that good for this kinda posts , if you don't understand something say it, i'll try to explain

53% now i am confused. hmmm its to early in the morning to do math. But my % increase is much higher.

There is definitely a missing link somewhere. When I was doing imbue tests (linked in my signature) I had the highest critical % increase yet I am int hybrid. Unfortunately a pure str never submitted data so I can't be sure.

BTW I am 2nd place in the hybrid bow competition for the 5x cup (was 1st place before a sun bower entered). I did hit lower than the pure str bows in the competition, but I don't know what kind of weapons they had.

Critical damage is definitely a function of weapon. For example Glavie's Girl an int hybrid sword, just started using a blade and her criticals increased significantly. So did her overall physical attack power. Which I guess makes sense. The question is where did the critical increase come from? overall increase in phys attack power, or perhaps one stat specifically like the reinforce, or phys attack?


EDIT*
I calculated % increase differently then you. I did 2750/4200=66% increase. I am right aren't I?.

That is still a lot lower then the data i have. How many strong bows did you average? I think your sample size is to small.

Hmm my critical (with imbue) is roughly 80% higher than normal damage.

i did around 30 strong bow shots, average damage was around 4200 but i can check it out for you

tomorrow i will come with more excact data

could you try to give excact numbers, im really curious about this

BakaFish, are you pure str?

Not exactly. A pure str critical = non-imbue damage x2 + imbue damage. So its not exactly x2 unless you forget the imbue altogether. Thats why people say that a pure str crits higher than a hybrid would, although the difference isn't like x10 or something like that.

He's not asking about how many percent higher he's asking about just the end result. Your get a 53% damage boost because roughly half of your normal damage comes from imbue and your critical comes from your archer skill whereas a full strength would have roughly 75% damage from archer skill and the rest form imbue damage and the crit percentage would be much higher.

E.g.

You:
2000 damage normal roughly 1000 from pacheon about 1000 from fire imbue (hypothetically)

Full strength:
1800 damage normal roughly 1350 from pacheon about 450 from fire imbue

Crit:
You: 1000(2)+1000=3000 damage. +50%

Strength: 1350(2)+450=3150 damage. +75%

So basically, as the levels go higher the damage difference will be bigger and bigger, and also basically your crit addition is what percent of your normal damage is based off strength.

All examples with made up figures btw.

Shadowman

We actually determined that he has a 66% increase but even that seems low. At level 54 I had a 73% increase. Perhaps the difference is in the blues we wear.

Do you have a high lvl pure str character? Cause no pure str character seems to be willing to do a simple critical test. I asked undutchable since he had a pure str bower and a 70:70 but.......... yeah it didn't go anywhere.

One, I made my numbers up to prove a point.

Two, your wrong, it is not a 66% increase.

2750+(2750*.66)
2750+1815=4565

2750+(2750*.53)
2750+1457.5=4207.5

You calculated the ratio of normal damage to crit damage which is 2:3.

Three, I had a capped Chinese bladder on cSRO which I gave to my friend who is still playing it in my guild, I'll see what I can do to get an experiment going.

Good job shadowman. So wait what did I calculate?

The guys always say, that your critical goes lower if you change to hybrid.
It's not right. I changed my pure str blader to 2:1 hybrid(100%phy 58%mag full pimped), but the critical is still the same if i compare to pure str bladers. My complete damage is more magical than physical. Thats all and my normal damage without critical is way higher than of a pure str blader. Other bladers always thought, that I'm 5 levels or more higher. But that doesn't helped my blader to be better in pvp. I mean INT hybrids, even pure int are doing hard in killing with bicheon skills... I guess i have to change to bow, if i want to make my character again killable.


greetz, Payne

@GLavie

So pure str would be better for blader, so you can tank more right?

I don't agree, its generally a bad idea to make a blader... If you want to tank, then go pure str glavie and use a shield. Your block is not that high then, but you have a little bit more hp for that.

But there i have to add, that this "tanking" didn't work. Since the alchemy update is out, there is no need for bladers, cuz other chars can do that job as well. Before the update was out, bladers was very dangerous for every built exept other bladers. There it was helpful and a must to kill the blader as first in group fighting, but now nobody touch a stupid blader. For what? Its time wasting if you don't come with 3 good characters who are able to kill him. The guys will always go on the weaker characters.

There i have to add a funny thing: Go and wear a sword as blader, then you can tank for your guildmates, till they check what you are.

That i am hybrid now, was not really a bad decision, because i am able to tank pure int characters much better than a pure str blader is able to. It depends always on how many damage you get and how many damage you can tank with your pots. And if there should be more then 2 Glavies/Bows on me, then i can use my bicheon buff who gives me a overpowered phy. defense. That sounds very clever, but if the balance of that game is so bad, that bladers cant kill anything, then i have to say, that nobody should make a blader. Hybrid str or Pure str, it doesn't matter. Go to bow, that would be my advise. Fastest to level under the str builts and its better in 1on1 than glavie. And if you want to survive a little bit longer, you can always use a stupid shield.

Remember:
Since the alchemy update on sro came out, bladers have been replaced with pure int and int hybrids who use the whole bicheon skills.

Just bad, that i was 60+ and saw a short time before all the bladers owning, when it came out and destroyed my built... SOS bladers got owned after the alchemy update by pure int with 64+7 swords and the kd skills. Unbelievable... ...and it took till today that the guys check, that bladers are no longer needed. I don't get it that the guys don't stop to make new bladers. Well, it looks cool, but nothing else.


greetz, Payne

i read a thread b4 similar to this, and there was some calculations, it showed pure str and 70:70 bow produced the same crit damage, but people say pure str crits are stronger because it has a bigger increase in damage, e.g. 70:70 does 7k with strong bow, pure str does 5k with strong bow, in a crit 70:70 hits 10k (3k increase it crit dmg), as for pure str it does x2 of its base dmg so it also hit 10k. But i wasn't sure if the guy's calculations were actually the real ones or amde up.

this build i dont think would be great

71.. is like over and 67 isnt enough to support the damage imbue

id say stick with 70:70 for 80:80

71:67 is 81:83 with fully pimped gear. So even better than ur suggested 80:80.

70:70 with 50/50 blue stats gives 81:83, you cannot reach a perfect 80:80 balance., with 55/55 it gives 82:84, so, but very very very rarely are u able t reach 55/55 stats. and youc ant reach 70:70 its either 70:69 or 69:70, but this is the msot balanced build between crit damage and non crit damage, and this build will produce more dmg then your 71:67 build, your build will prob have that very little extra hp, prob 400 or 500, but your imbue will be made weaker, which then makes your skills weaker since you gotta use imbue to do good damage with skill, which then weakens your crits. It's not worth having the little extra str and losing mre damage, the point of hybrid bow is to produce high damage with crits and non crits. If your ever noticed, your mag balance is easier to raise then your phy balance.

lol jezus christ, a BIT more hp or a BIT more damage lol

you forgot that

Sigh
Well I guess I have to redo all my calculations with the right formula.

At least for comparison purposes i wasn't far off.

Hopefully Shadowman or anyone with a pure str character will come through for us. Bow would be ideal since it is easy to get multiple criticals. Otherwise you would have record data for over 200 skilled attacks to be accurate.

f8ck, all calculations wrong...

im never looking on the official silkroad forum, anyone knows if they've got threads like this to?

I just checked and the damage difference % between different imbues really aren't affected by my calculation error. The differences were so small that its only about 0.5% off. And since they were all done the same way they are comparatively accurate. The critical increase % are pretty wrong though. I am talking about the imbue link in my signature, for those that don't know.

I have visited the main forums, though not recently, and I have never seen any kind of thread like this, I might have missed it but I doubt it. In fact they are quite disappointing over there.

As a STR, you have a much higher HP/Crit dmg ratio, even when the crit dmg's with the two builds are similar. That's usually what people are trying to get at when they say "STR crit is way way higher", because it's not really THAT much higher I don't think. It is a bit higher though.

Who cares?!?!?!
The game is ballanced.
A full str bow (lv 45)
Has like 6k hp and a 70:70 bow hits 2k on him with strong bow.
Thats a hit of 33%
Now we have a 70:70 bow that has 4.5k hp.
A full str bow hits 1.5k average on him.
And agian that a hit of 33%.
You see guys all balanced.
Just shoot the god dammed arrows >.>

Thank you for bumping the thread

Anyone have a pure str bow character above lvl 64? Someone must have one. We need to conduct an experiment "diabolical laugh"

err, with ice snow yes, without, you won't have 4,5k

however ice snow is a hudghe advantage...It's much easier to pot damage back when pvping (becease it's devided into hp and mp)


i critted yesterday 5k on a garment spear nuker (1:3) lol (he had gap 6) so i think i will do more on a pure str bow

i think your math is wrong

correct me or be quiet for ever

hmmmmm i dnt understand lol