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what hte hell happend with jadekiss^^?


sorry just read the first 13 pages...

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So Glavie, uve done farming so mb now u could share experience now?? :D I can't wait ur post here anymore :D :P


Well to be honest I feel pretty bad ass. 0 gap is awesome. It cost me 40k sp just to go from 9 gap to 0 gap :(

I haven't pvped much since 0 gap. Basically I can kill pure ints. I can now kill int hybrid sword.(couldn't before)

I fought a lvl 54 bladder when I was lvl 53. He was 2 gap with sos+7. I have sos+5. He killed me repeatedly. I would bring his health below half, but just couldn't quite finish him off. From what I have read bladders kill pure str bowers as well. And while we are at it, pure str bowers kill ints easily as well.
So at this level there doesn't seem to be much difference in pvp performance.
*Note. I don't know any other bowers, so this is based off of what I have read, not personal experience.

So pvp summary: Fair fight against spear, sword I win.
Fair fight against bladder is usually a pot war, but could go either way.
Glavier and bower is unknown.


As DS^ said I have heard wind is not great in pvp. However who on the aege server uses bow, and is good in pvp? The only person I can think of is Archerchamp, but he has sosun bow so that doesn't really count. So my point is at the current cap there really aren't any good bows in 1vs1 on the aege server.

When the new skills come out, it will be interesting to see how wind does.
Oh just so everyone knows wind uses a som+5 100%blues crit 10 bow. So It is less than +1 better then a 72+7 bow.

It is interesting to see how big of a difference there is between Stress and me. His grinding style is very different from mine. Since I am on yetis, and he is going for the 1 hit kill on penons.
My grinding style(LVL54)is now strongbow>antidevil=dead yeti.
Then light nuke >antidevil. There is usually a tiny bit left over which just gets about 2 non skill hits with imbue to finish off.

My opinion on the whole black hawk vs blue hawk. If you can't afford a good bow get the black hawk since it hits the same amount no matter what the weapon. Blue hawk helps your weapon perform at its max, so if it is a good bow then you would be better off with the blue hawk.

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@Dempster rofl u show us that ur a newbie at silkroad u play ur char because u read full str user are the best or full int.... u will never find out what is better if u dont do ur own experience idiot... if some1 tell u to jump from a house because he said u its cool and the best way to learn how to fly u would jump huh ? rofl
hybrids build are the best silkroad IS NOT BASED ON PURE BUILD get that in ur brain if the maker of silkraod want to do that it would be a boring game every1 has a pure build they are fighting each other wasting pots ... its not a duel anymore only a potwar...
who the ..... told u im gonna make a 50:50 ? im gonna make 80:80 u will have still lots of hp andn ice dmg more than a ..... glavier go to aege make a full str glavier and lvl up then fight against Wind he is kinda 70+ now has a 80:80 bow char und u will die for sure noob ask the ppl in aege ask them who is the strongest bower in that server every1 will tell u Wind
only noobs dare to tell that pure players are the best..... no experience tzzzz

@hellsharpt nah bow has middle mag and phy attack power so why shouldnt it go hybrid ? just wait till some1 in ur server has a 80:80 build and u will see what happen to u if u are pure...whatever u are int or str...u will die but it also depends on weapon and equip


I stopped reading after this post lol, you sir, are an idiot.
Gear > build
Wind has a 64 +5 som bow
If he fought another pure character both using NPC gear he wouldn't be as great as you think he is.

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@Dempster rofl u show us that ur a newbie at silkroad u play ur char because u read full str user are the best or full int.... u will never find out what is better if u dont do ur own experience idiot... if some1 tell u to jump from a house because he said u its cool and the best way to learn how to fly u would jump huh ? rofl
hybrids build are the best silkroad IS NOT BASED ON PURE BUILD get that in ur brain if the maker of silkraod want to do that it would be a boring game every1 has a pure build they are fighting each other wasting pots ... its not a duel anymore only a potwar...
who the ..... told u im gonna make a 50:50 ? im gonna make 80:80 u will have still lots of hp andn ice dmg more than a ..... glavier go to aege make a full str glavier and lvl up then fight against Wind he is kinda 70+ now has a 80:80 bow char und u will die for sure noob ask the ppl in aege ask them who is the strongest bower in that server every1 will tell u Wind
only noobs dare to tell that pure players are the best..... no experience tzzzz

@hellsharpt nah bow has middle mag and phy attack power so why shouldnt it go hybrid ? just wait till some1 in ur server has a 80:80 build and u will see what happen to u if u are pure...whatever u are int or str...u will die but it also depends on weapon and equip


I stopped reading after this post lol, you sir, are an idiot.
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Wind has a 64 +5 som bow
If he fought another pure character both using NPC gear he wouldn't be as great as you think he is.


SOM 64+5 = 74+5
74+5 is close enough to a 72+7.
So what is your point, There are many 72+7 weapons, They are nothing special.

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Anyway, glavie, do u enjoy this built?? :) :P


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glavie wrote:
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@Dempster rofl u show us that ur a newbie at silkroad u play ur char because u read full str user are the best or full int.... u will never find out what is better if u dont do ur own experience idiot... if some1 tell u to jump from a house because he said u its cool and the best way to learn how to fly u would jump huh ? rofl
hybrids build are the best silkroad IS NOT BASED ON PURE BUILD get that in ur brain if the maker of silkraod want to do that it would be a boring game every1 has a pure build they are fighting each other wasting pots ... its not a duel anymore only a potwar...
who the ..... told u im gonna make a 50:50 ? im gonna make 80:80 u will have still lots of hp andn ice dmg more than a ..... glavier go to aege make a full str glavier and lvl up then fight against Wind he is kinda 70+ now has a 80:80 bow char und u will die for sure noob ask the ppl in aege ask them who is the strongest bower in that server every1 will tell u Wind
only noobs dare to tell that pure players are the best..... no experience tzzzz

@hellsharpt nah bow has middle mag and phy attack power so why shouldnt it go hybrid ? just wait till some1 in ur server has a 80:80 build and u will see what happen to u if u are pure...whatever u are int or str...u will die but it also depends on weapon and equip


I stopped reading after this post lol, you sir, are an idiot.
Gear > build
Wind has a 64 +5 som bow
If he fought another pure character both using NPC gear he wouldn't be as great as you think he is.


SOM 64+5 = 74+5
74+5 is close enough to a 72+7.
So what is your point, There are many 72+7 weapons, They are nothing special.


~_~ No but it's enough to make a shit build seem good.

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you can be average with a 72+5 and poonage with a 72+7, sadly.

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you can be average with a 72+5 and poonage with a 72+7, sadly.


I find that hard to believe, but I don't know since I am low level. At any rate 72+7 is not rare.

Do I like the build? It is fun, great for trading. I am sure it levels faster then a pure str bow. I love the light nuke for its splash range.

I do not pvp much. If I did, I would not have a bow character period! All my experience has shown that they have the exact same weakness. No shield, and no disabling moves. When the new skills come out then high levels will have those skills, but not me. :x

Is this build better than pure str bow? I don't know.
Is this build worse then pure str bow? NO

I still need my crits just like a pure strength bow. I still need better gear then the opponent just like a pure strength bow.

Do I die faster than a pure strength bow? Maybe, depends on the situation. If a nuker blasts me then its no faster, cause I have all that magic defense that str characters lack. I probably die faster to str characters, but it sounds like pure str bows have trouble with them as well.

Conclusion:
A valid different bow build. This is not a noob build. And this is not a miracle build either.
Of course when the new skills come out, Things may change.

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How are you Getting on with your Imbues mate ? Have You resorted to using Light nuke instead of Light Imbue Beserk. Any Other News on the latest buffs your using ?

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Read through all 28 pages...................WOW what a debate...............


My opinion--- This buid is good may be not the best and holds 50% chance of wining a pure str bow of same lvl and gear...and its a good change from boring str build i guess

jedikiss i would like to give it a try but later now i have no time to play and would love to make a character in your server to get some more guidence from you

well done guys now i start to think this topic needs a sticky lol :wink:


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The only reason I struggle with str builds is that they have either a shield and knockdown or knockback and stun. However a level 76 blader can't kill me, and a glavier my level needs 2 crits to kill me.

A nuker however that is 1 level higher then me can make me feel somewhat uneasy :P

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HertogJan wrote:
The only reason I struggle with str builds is that they have either a shield and knockdown or knockback and stun. However a level 76 blader can't kill me, and a glavier my level needs 2 crits to kill me.

A nuker however that is 1 level higher then me can make me feel somewhat uneasy :P


Are you in garms?




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How are you Getting on with your Imbues mate ? Have You resorted to using Light nuke instead of Light Imbue Beserk. Any Other News on the latest buffs your using ?


I am fully farmed ice, light, pacheon including buffs. I also have lvl 32 fire for the phys increase passive and buff.

These are rough estimates of my damage output for each skill.
My balances are currently 82:86
antidevil = 2700-3000
antidevil crit = 3800-4300
bezerker = 2700-3000
light nuke = 3500-4300
strong bow= 3800-4500
Ice nuke book 2 = 2600 maybe useful for mob control on trade runs, I won’t be leveling it.

Strong bow is a great skill, but the recharge time is to long. Anti devil is the bread and butter 3rd book really does crit a lot.
Light nuke does nice damage but cant crit. The light nuke also doesn't have the range of the other bow skills.
The light nuke does however have a farther transfer then the bezerker arrow so it is better at hitting multiple mobs.

When grinding it takes 2hits and maybe a few imbued normal shots at the end for me to kill a yeti. I open with the strong bow or light nuke, and then finish with anti devil. If the anti devil crits then its only 2 shots period. If I get mobbed I then use bezerker arrow in addition to the lightning nuke.

I could also kill a yeti with Anti > bezerker > arrow combo, if I did not want to use the light nuke. The time to do this skill combo would only take maybe 1 more second since I usually do 2 non skill hits at the end to finish off the mob anyway.

For imbue I only use ice. I have lightning maxed as well but the increase in damage is negligible. It is a bit more powerful, but I don’t kill mobs any quicker. In pvp I have not fought anyone immune to ice. When that time comes I will probably have 1 bar set up with ice and one with light. That way I can easily switch.

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Hmm... hawe few questions now :)
1) why do u use light imbue, not fire?? ( i know fire imbue looks ugly, but still it does more dmg than light,ice).
2) and what built ur gonna hawe at 90 cap?? :) 90 pach 90 cold 60 light 60 fire? ( it's just exmple :D :P )...


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Yeah I am in garms, considering the fact that I have enough hp to survive str builds I rather go with the magical defense that garms offer.

Besides that I like the speed it gives, I am thinking about borrowing a protector set and play with that just to check it out.

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I think I'll do what glavie's doing, actually, using ice imbue + some fire for the buffs


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prot sets are foro HYB imho as a HYB Bow a Prot set is :love: :love: made such a difference between garment and i have tried sox gar arm and prot prot is best for HYB if pure go either end arm or garm if hyb your middle buy middle.

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Hmm... hawe few questions now :)
1) why do u use light imbue, not fire?? ( i know fire imbue looks ugly, but still it does more dmg than light,ice).
2) and what built ur gonna hawe at 90 cap?? :) 90 pach 90 cold 60 light 60 fire? ( it's just exmple :D :P )...



I use light imbue because my priority is agility And I will benefit more from piercing force then the physical increase.

I use ice because it is extremely useful in grinding. Remember I grind on red monsters, without frost nova I would die every time I get mobbed.
I also am praying that soon people won't be able to be immune to ice.

I will take close to 2 years for me to reach 90 cap If it ever comes but, I will probably be 90 ice,light, bow, and 30 fire. Also after level 70 I wont be fully farmed. The sp necessary for the new skills is going to be to much for me. And gapping at that high a level will be ridiculous.

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ICE vs LIGHT and OMG the CRIT

I tested ice/ light imbue on devil yetis using anti devil. I am lvl 54 masteries at 54. With maxed piercing force buff, and up to lvl 32 phys increase from fire.

sample size for Ice=49
sample size for light=43

Average damage for anti-devil non crit
Light=2974
Ice =2875

lowest hit
Light=2582
Ice =2610

highest hit
light=3180
Ice =3060

Critical average
Light=3751
Ice =3547

Lowest Crit
Light=3409
Ice =3698

Highest Crit
Light=4361
Ice =4241

Chance of critical with a crit10 bow is 38%

Summary
Ice imbue hits more consistently( less variation between high and low)
On a average non crit there is a 100 damage increase when using light.

With crit there is a 200 damage increase :shock:

I really need more data to verify the exact difference, but I think it is safe to say that imbue is part of the critical damage calculation.

Meaning everyone who says crit is twice your physical damage IS WRONG.

Please someone out there with multiple imbues with fire please do a similar test.
I will gladly do the math, just send me your lvl, build, balances, buffs, and raw data.

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Meaning everyone who says crit is twice your physical damage IS WRONG.


I wouldnt go as far as to say that, I actually think that it IS twice your physical damage, but without knowing the damage equation for the final damage you see done to a mob, we dont know how much the INT influences it.

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Meaning everyone who says crit is twice your physical damage IS WRONG.


I wouldnt go as far as to say that, I actually think that it IS twice your physical damage, but without knowing the damage equation for the final damage you see done to a mob, we dont know how much the INT influences it.

+1. Pure str players, from my experience, will often find it is almost or around 2x the dmg (a crit with imbue vs. a reg hit with imbue). However, we can make a conclusion that your balances or the amount of STR one has factors into the crit, since the difference between an INT's crit and INT's regular hit is much smaller than STR's crit and STR's reg hit.

On-topic, the 70:70 build would be ideal for killing uniques. An int-based build with the range of an archer, and enough stamina to survive a unique's crits (with some good gear). In 1v1 pvp, I have doubts as of now.

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Okay I will rephrase.

Imbue choice, not necessarily your int. But imbue choice has a direct effect on the strength of your critical.
This is news to me. As far as I know everyone says it is double, and ONLY double your phys damage.

This proves that there is more 2 it.

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wow this thread is still active :o


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yes this topic is still alive and active :D

Dam people..i hawe to decide which force to drop : ice or fire. A little intruduction : im lvl 40 70 : 70 bow, atm farming with 9 gap. My masteryes are : 31 pacheon, 31 cold, 31 lightning, 31 fire... And i gave to choose which force to drop till i finish my farming. Can anyone give me advise??


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I don't think I'll even start fire :P I'll stick with cold and lightning for the moment (only level 10 though)


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EllisD wrote:
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Meaning everyone who says crit is twice your physical damage IS WRONG.


I wouldnt go as far as to say that, I actually think that it IS twice your physical damage, but without knowing the damage equation for the final damage you see done to a mob, we dont know how much the INT influences it.



I find a mistake on the most used formula that I quoted myself on this post. I seen that the masterie lvl of the IMBUE has no influence on the damage when you use wepaon skills. I do the same highest damage with my imbue masteries at 69 than with my masteries at 72. Im not saying that the difference is small, Im sayning that Im getting the EXACT maximum damage during grinding. So basically we still dont have the correct damage formula and I realized of that after done lots of calculations with old one (see pag 25) :banghead: .

I think that the only mastery lvl that have influence is the weapon tree for weapon skill and force tree that nuke belong for the nukes.


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What are u guys planing to do when the lvl 90 update will be released?

Drop ice or fire?


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hmm lvl 10 pure str, is it too late to keep getting int to get a 70:70?


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Highest Crit
Light=4361
Ice =4241


Hmm.. i am also goin towards the 70:70 build, im now 32, but the highest crit i do now is 3900.

U r 54 and you're doing 4361. So i will only get that much increase in damage at your lvl? =_____=

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still haven't decided: fire or force? :cry: this is so annoying


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still haven't decided: fire or force? :cry: this is so annoying

seen the fact that euro comes soon with its "uber" ressers/healers with party
heal n whatever, the clerics, i think chinese characters will be seen less effective
in this role. id go fire.


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