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 Post subject: Re: Zimmerman
PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 12:46 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Zimmerman
PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 12:48 am 
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@Fiction; Great on the ad hominem bro.

So you think that this case has nothing to do about race? I actually do believe that under the law Zimmerman had to be acquitted (aka lack of evidence/witnesses).
People like Hannity and Rush Limbaugh that rather ignore anything that may be related to race, or actually assume that black people are "probably" guilty (or that they want more rights than white folks, wat), are the reason for this type of suspicion of anything not pale. Limbaugh, Hannity, and you.
See, I can pull famous names out of my ass and compare them to you as well, but i'd say my comparison was more accurate.

@Bartic; thats not what I'm saying, and you know that brah
I'm saying that their is a culture of suspicion in Middle America of black people, regardless of their socio-economic condition (which does correlate with more crimes), which is unfortunately one of the reasons of that Zimmerman decided to stalk Martin.

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 Post subject: Re: Zimmerman
PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 12:49 am 
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First of all, all you need for purple is cough syrup and sprite, but ok.
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Vid is a bit long but shows an interesting perspective, I recommend watching it all.

It doesn't show a new perspective at all, its the same shit that the Internet and the right wing nuts have been saying about the case; TRAVYON MARTIN IS A BLACK CRIMINAL CUZ HE SMOKES WEED AND LISTENS TO HIPHOP, AND (now) DRINKS CODEINE

"Now saying Travyon Martin was high on lean and thus paranoid and aggresive may be a stretch.."
No Farking shit Sherlock.
The only thing thats not a stretch in that video is the pics of Zimmerman's bruises after the fight, which would have happened regardless of who started the confrontation. Everything else was bullshit without sources (Travyon Martin doing karate, stealing shit in lockers, lolwat)

Fiction get your head out your ass. You know damn well this case isn't about Travyon Martin's use of marijuana, him bragging on Twitter and doing mean-looking faces at the camera.

People can't admit that there is a stigma attached to black people as being criminals, which is what resulted in this kid's death, so they are pulling up personal bullshit on this kid so they can make him out to be a criminal, so they feel so much better and can get rid of their "white guilt".

Its depressing that we can't have an actual conversation about race because its makes some people (aka pussies) feel uncomfortable (aka "white guilt"), so they would rather stick their heads in the sand and ignore the elephant in the room.

Which is basically what this thread has been about, so let it die brah.

Cus normal people have stolen property and robbery tools, make drug drinks, and are witnessed on top of and attacking people.

You mentioned nothing except hes black and he does drugs. You also forget to mention trayvon is the one with no injuries aside from ya know, dieing from a gunshot. Did you even watch the vid or read about the case other then the typical media?

I feel like the only time I see race even being brought is when people talk about it like you do. I'm gonna have to agree with fiction "race baiter".

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 Post subject: Re: Zimmerman
PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 12:56 am 
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Well there wasn't a close up of Travyon's face, and nothing was mentioned of his injuries in the video so...wat?
Dark Jackal, did Zimmerman know that Martin smoked, apparently did codeine, had stolen stuff in his locker? No. So what made him seem suspicious other than his outward appearance? The fact that he was walking slowly in the rain with a hoodie on (people actually say this is one of the reasons he was suspicious).

And btw, I actually didn't learn about this case from TV, mostly from the Internet. Which has been, y'know, pretty pro-Zimmerman.

So I brought race up for discussion so I'm a race baiter? Who exactly is being politically correct/incorrect now? Lmao.
I'd also like you to reply to my newer post

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 Post subject: Re: Zimmerman
PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 12:56 am 
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I have a dream.....that one day we could all collectively agree to stop reading and watching mainstream news....Give them the middle finger and turn to entities that report full stories backed up by solid journalism....

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 Post subject: Re: Zimmerman
PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 12:58 am 
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I agree mainstream CNN, Fox, MSNBC are all garbage, but why is it so much easier to trust random youtube videos with barely any sources and very obvious motives/biases?
There are two videos posted on here with pretty obvious biases and no quoted sources, and most of the people seemed to have lapped it up without any questions.

I agree that CNN and MSNBC (CNN I'd say moreso) did portray the case favoring Travyon, but that does not mean that the Internet needs to slide in the other direction and be heavily biased for Zimmerman (basically acting as Fox News in this case) rather than showing an objective view (reddit comments are pretty objective though, i'd say)

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 Post subject: Re: Zimmerman
PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 1:11 am 
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@Fiction; Great on the ad hominem bro.

So you think that this case has nothing to do about race? I actually do believe that under the law Zimmerman had to be acquitted (aka lack of evidence/witnesses).
People like Hannity and Rush Limbaugh that rather ignore anything that may be related to race, or actually assume that black people are "probably" guilty (or that they want more rights than white folks, wat), are the reason for this type of suspicion of anything not pale. Limbaugh, Hannity, and you.
See, I can pull famous names out of my ass and compare them to you as well, but i'd say my comparison was more accurate.

@Bartic; thats not what I'm saying, and you know that brah
I'm saying that their is a culture of suspicion in Middle America of black people, regardless of their socio-economic condition (which does correlate with more crimes), which is unfortunately one of the reasons of that Zimmerman decided to stalk Martin.


:palm: Your assumptions are that these people you named just think black people are probably guilty. Such clear cut facts... Yet you can go look for yourself and see that the people I named actually do want black people to have more rights. Just like such laws as affirmative action/hate crime/reparations/etc.

I implore you to park your car in a typical black hood, and tell me you feel it's as safe there as it would be at the suburbs... I left my truck out in the parking lot at the bus station for 3 minutes in Dallas, and when I came back it had been smashed into and radio jacked. (Bus station is in the black part of Dallas, trust me, there are no white people round these parts)

Given this, do I think all black people are criminal? Of course not, but still I see that they do have a crime problem in their community. Doesn't mean I believe blacks are the only ones to have crime problems, but I don't see and hear about whites killing each other day in and day out. They're a product of their environment, and their behavioral characteristics aren't in their genes, but in their culture. This is why I don't see all black people as criminals, but I understand the way a lot of them are brought up, pretty much forces them into the life.

-- Also, you keep bringing up that Zim followed Tray based off of his skin color, yet there is no proof that he wouldn't have done the same if the person had been white/asian/hispanic. He was a neighborhood watchmen, the neighborhood had a series of break-ins. It's pretty easy to call him a racist in your book, because he isn't black, and the person he killed was black. I'd say he was simply making sure the neighborhood was safe. He'd check on anyone that caught his suspicion.

Anyways, it would seem you believe Zim got out of his truck with the intent to gun a black kids down. :palm: :palm: I think I'm done with this "discussion" you clearly have a long ways to go.

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 Post subject: Re: Zimmerman
PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 1:15 am 
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I don't see the need for either proponents of this messed up situation to be so focused on historical personality profiles/traits/behavior/race etc....It doesn't matter if it was Hitler who shot and killed Gandhi...what really matters was what happened within the moment and which one (Hitler or Gandhi) broke the law... The media and internet morons got us all dancing like moronic puppets over issues of far less importance....

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 Post subject: Re: Zimmerman
PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 1:27 am 
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BuDo wrote:
I don't see the need for either proponents of this messed up situation to be so focused on historical personality profiles/traits/behavior/race etc....It doesn't matter if it was Hitler who shot and killed Gandhi...what really matters was what happened within the moment and which one (Hitler or Gandhi) broke the law... The media and internet morons got us all dancing like moronic puppets over issues of far less importance....


Yes this is why there should never be character witnesses in the courtroom... Sound logic.

Psychology actually has it's place in the courtroom these days. I guess. Turns out, doing a character profile of a person can tell us a lot of things, and to which degree a law should be enforced. Kinda why minors aren't judged the same way adults are.

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 Post subject: Re: Zimmerman
PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:40 am 
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Fiction wrote:
Anyways, it would seem you believe Zim got out of his truck with the intent to gun a black kids down. :palm: :palm: I think I'm done with this "discussion" you clearly have a long ways to go.

What? Please point out where exactly in all my posts where I have mentioned something ever close to what you have just said. It seems like you have a caricature of me as a evil liberal in your mind and have decided to just shut off your ears/eyes and just go "LALALALALALALA".
I think I have made it pretty damn obvious that I think Zimmerman profiled the kid because of his suspicion of black males, not because he randomly goes around killing black people.
And yes, the reason for the suspicion may be that in black neighborhoods, crime rates are higher, but that is related to poverty, not upbringing/culture. Why do you think crime rates are dropping as the black middle class increases?

Have you heard of gentrification? You know, that thing in the 60's and the 70's where a middle class black family moves into a white neighborhood and the whole neighborhood flees away? Not to take away from their right of movement, but thats the sort of farked up shit that created these "black ghettos" in the first place ( along with Iran Contra, you know, crack cocaine during Saint Reagan's terms).

Anyways I dont believe in affirmative action, while I do believe it has helped in a alot of cases and it doesn't affect as negatively as some people like to think it does, but thanks for pulling that one out of your ass for me as well. But atleast you got to atleast conversing about race rather than pulling up shit from Martin's past to make him out to be a thug.

So if character profiles matter so much, what about the fact that Zimmerman was in two domestic violence cases, or that a niece of his accused him of sexual harassment, or that many people in his Sanford neighborhood thought he was overly aggresive? I don't see anyone talking about these cases in this thread, only "OH GODZ WEED AND NOW HE DRINKS SIZZURP TOO?!?!?!" (which btw is made with Sprite/cough syrup and jolly ranchers, but good on y'all to believe shit a random guy with no sources and a youtube account says)

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