Long story short, thousands of protestors against the Egy president have been filling the streets for weeks now demanding he step down. And now, the Egyptian army has over thrown him and taken control of the country, for the time being.
Yes, the last three days were the largest protest in the Egyptian history, about 15 million protester allover Egypt, and on the other hand there was a minority who wants Muslim Brotherhood to stay, here's a picture from my city, I probably was in this one.
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and this is cairo
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and the moment when the ommander of the egyptian armed forces has overthrown mohammed morsy the Muslim Brotherhood president, people were so happy.
But seriously though. I'm sorta concerned about the military taking over as well. I really hope that a democratic government will soon be chosen! If not, I'm afraid that the country will be more and more split as time goes on (some will want the military to stay, some will want a democratic government as soon as possible).
Military didn't take over, the armed forces commander has just announced that the president of the constitutional court is the temporary president and there will be presidential elections in 60 days, people are only split between overthrowing muslim brotherhood or not, disregarding what will come next.
Obama needs to **** off and our government in general needs to let other countries make their own decisions. We already have enough trouble in Iraq, we don't need another country getting pissed off at us.
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I am secretly hoping they pull regaining their freedom off but I know the chance of them doing so is fairly low.
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This shouldn't have happened. Morsi was elected democratically and got 51% of the votes. This means the majority of the people are supporting him. These Egyptians, they expect their country to be fully stable within a year after been run by dictators for more then 50 years. They should have shown some patience. There is no president that can give them what they want within a year. It's a country in transition and patience is of the essence. They haven't stop protesting ever since they started the protests against Mubarak. They never really gave Morsi a chance.
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Didnt this guy tried to pull some dictatorship type shit though? Arresting journalists for criticizing Morsi/islam, making himself above judicial laws, no term limits (?)..? I mean lets be honest, when half the country is out there protesting your shitty moves, you either give in to demands or step down.
Lol at obama saying US doesnt gove aid to govts ruled by coups.. Except when the coups are carried by US themselves ofc
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This shouldn't have happened. Morsi was elected democratically and got 51% of the votes. This means the majority of the people are supporting him. These Egyptians, they expect their country to be fully stable within a year after been run by dictators for more then 50 years. They should have shown some patience. There is no president that can give them what they want within a year. It's a country in transition and patience is of the essence. They haven't stop protesting ever since they started the protests against Mubarak. They never really gave Morsi a chance.
He won by having the aid of about 13 millions (note that many voted for him because they didn't want the other candidate to win).
Anyway, 22 millions signed a petition last month calling for early elections, that is half the voting community.
They don't want it to be magically fully stable in a year, they want to see a start or some progress showing that there is hope.
The Egyptian military gave the Morsi government 48 hours to respond to the people, later next night Morsi said "The price of preserving legitimacy is my life," Morsi said in an impassioned, repetitive, 45-minute ramble, but he didn't offer any real changes or approve of the early elections, seriously if he believes that he is doing well, he would have accepted new elections.
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Oh Crap, the world is a mess! Well, what did he do... to cause so much unrest?
Nothing, that is the problem. Actually it is a bit worse, half the neighborhoods get power outage for 2-4 hours daily and important roles in the government were given to the brotherhood members.
About 25 million people in this nation of 84 million went to the streets to demand changes, although there is no independent way to verify that estimate, but i heard as low as 16 millions and as high as 33 millions.
Gamal abd-el-nassir resigned after losing the 1967 war, millions went to bring him back. Morsi insisted on staying, millions went to bring him down.
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This shouldn't have happened. Morsi was elected democratically and got 51% of the votes. This means the majority of the people are supporting him. These Egyptians, they expect their country to be fully stable within a year after been run by dictators for more then 50 years. They should have shown some patience. There is no president that can give them what they want within a year. It's a country in transition and patience is of the essence. They haven't stop protesting ever since they started the protests against Mubarak. They never really gave Morsi a chance.
He won by having the aid of about 13 millions (note that many voted for him because they didn't want the other candidate to win).
Anyway, 22 millions signed a petition last month calling for early elections, that is half the voting community.
They don't want it to be magically fully stable in a year, they want to see a start or some progress showing that there is hope.
The Egyptian military gave the Morsi government 48 hours to respond to the people, later next night Morsi said "The price of preserving legitimacy is my life," Morsi said in an impassioned, repetitive, 45-minute ramble, but he didn't offer any real changes or approve of the early elections, seriously if he believes that he is doing well, he would have accepted new elections
You know too much for a foreigner!, but yeah I totally agree, one year isn't enough to get better, but when you see things getting WORSE, then you'd know that waiting won't bring any good, I voted for Morsi and most people that I know did too, then the very same people signed the petition for early elections, what we've seen in Morsi's regime is power going off daily for hours in the peak hours, hours long queue for gas, and Egyptian Pound losing 20% of its worth. so if it was bad before, Morsi made it worse.
Obama needs to **** off and our government in general needs to let other countries make their own decisions. We already have enough trouble in Iraq, we don't need another country getting pissed off at us.
I think most countries are pissed off with america, i dont think this made any difference lol
seriously, why was so many people out on streets and shit till very very late. Dont people have work to go to in the morning and in the day time? Also, what did egypt expect? you do realise its called "MUSLIM brotherhood". hasnt history warned us time and time again that mixing religion and politics is always a bad decision. Im surprised america has lasted as long as it has with all this "god bless america" however i dont think everyone sees it as a christian thing anymore.
A party "based" on religious views of the country, starts causing problems immediately by threatening a ban on alcohol, attempts to gain almost as much rights as the previous dictator, becomes very closed minded in recovery, relying on aid to prop up many infrastructures? what did people really think would happen?!
i know one of the reasons is because "well people were choosing the better of two evils, both parties not really giving much hope" however, arent there any nice people in egypt that can run a democratic society?
Why do egypts army have that much power... It says it acted for the people but what about when they decide to act for themselves and just overthrow anyone that causes an upset on the military? cost cutting the military would be a death sentence for the next president because people will assume he is trying to reduce the power of the army to prevent a military coup.
Also, what did egypt expect? you do realise its called "MUSLIM brotherhood". hasnt history warned us time and time again that mixing religion and politics is always a bad decision. Im surprised america has lasted as long as it has with all this "god bless america" however i dont think everyone sees it as a christian thing anymore.
A party "based" on religious views of the country, starts causing problems immediately by threatening a ban on alcohol, attempts to gain almost as much rights as the previous dictator, becomes very closed minded in recovery, relying on aid to prop up many infrastructures? what did people really think would happen?!
And there's also conflict between the different forms of islam so such a thing can't work properly.
And there's also conflict between the different forms of islam so such a thing can't work properly.
i wanted to make my comment about religion in general not just islam... i could take shots at islam all day but Christianity is just too good of an opportunity to miss
this was today, proves that we gave the leadership to a bunch of terrorists, not anymore at least.
firstly. you voted them in, you do realize that... there is something in democracy that is supposed to prevent things getting as out of control as morsi did which is called a "vote of no confidence" which allows your people to over throw the government in a democratic and legal way. secondly, he is still the leader, this is a military coup that for some reason Obama is defending (because he sells guns and shit to egypt and he doesnt want to be known as the guy funding a military coup... so instead he is denying it)
thirdly this video looks barbaric! we have rockets or guns going off frequently, gangs of people breaking into buildings, people throwing rocks at others (i guess stoning is highly regarded by muslims though), throwing people off buildings and then even more shocking is to see the guy smack a rock against the kids head!
damn i wish those guys would contract cancer, they deserve that horrible disease not the thousands of people that dont.
Personally i dont agree with what these people are doing, i agree with what heroo said, this guy deserves a chance.
I also heard his salary is the lowest amongest presidents (because he didnt accept to take alot), anyways unlike others i feel smthn good about this guy, thats all.
Population of Egypt: 82.54 million Population of USA: 313.9 million
About 48 million voted total in Egypt; ~24 million for Morsi. So 13 million would be about half the people that voted for Morsi so the others wouldnt win. Like Tasdik said, the numbers wasn't the main point, but still.
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this was today, proves that we gave the leadership to a bunch of terrorists, not anymore at least.
firstly. you voted them in, you do realize that... there is something in democracy that is supposed to prevent things getting as out of control as morsi did which is called a "vote of no confidence" which allows your people to over throw the government in a democratic and legal way. secondly, he is still the leader, this is a military coup that for some reason Obama is defending (because he sells guns and shit to egypt and he doesnt want to be known as the guy funding a military coup... so instead he is denying it)
thirdly this video looks barbaric! we have rockets or guns going off frequently, gangs of people breaking into buildings, people throwing rocks at others (i guess stoning is highly regarded by muslims though), throwing people off buildings and then even more shocking is to see the guy smack a rock against the kids head!
damn i wish those guys would contract cancer, they deserve that horrible disease not the thousands of people that dont.
Yeah, I agree it's disgusting it is so violent - but we don't live in an ideal world where everything is peaceful sunshine and rainbows. Morsi already tried to suspend the Egyptian constitution while simultaneously declaring himself immune from the country's supreme court. That was the first time Egyptians flipped their shit (and I don't blame them). It has only snowballed since then.
A vote of "no confidence" and using legal, peaceful means is wishful thinking. Morsi has already shown signs that he does not respect the system, why would he step down? It's worth noting that Hitler was democratically elected. It took a world war to get rid of him and he sure as hell didn't deserve a "chance" just because he won the most votes. (Not comparing Morsi to Hitler, just making a point that sometimes democracy gets it wrong.)
Escaping from a controlling, religious government is not going to be easy for any country in the Middle East. Any radical changes are going to require radical action.
As for votes - Morsi was in a runoff election. The majority of the votes were split between less conservative/religious candidates in the original election, and that split of votes gave him a spot in the runoff as he commanded the conservative (not sure what term to use here, conservative by American terms) vote. From what I've read, the turnout for the runoff was much less than the actual election. It's not so simple where you can just point at the numbers.
a vote of no confidence could have still been done... it appears that america still hold the power over egypt in terms of aid so a group could have gone to america declaring a vote of no confidence with an option to remove the aid given to egypt.
morsi tried to hold more power than a democracy allowed of him but still a majority of Egyptians appear to have allowed him to do it, whether its the democratic system that has failed them or that people are too unaware to know of it.
it seems far to fickle to me, its definitely not an excuse for mass protests and riots where the army has to retaliate to situations.
that and im tired of hearing allah ahkbur whenever gun shots are fired or hearing blasts or chants of it.
If I'm understanding you correctly, you think Egyptians should run crying to America to solve its own problems? That's pretty insulting to Egyptians and simply not how things work. And I guarantee Morsi would laugh if America did threaten to withhold aid (which, again, is just ludicrous), as America is supporting the coup to get rid of him and the Muslim Brotherhood.
When your democratically elected leader starts acting like a dictator, grabs power and demands immunity, plus rewrites the Constitution based on Islamic Sharia law sending your country back 100 years, I think its imperative to stand up and protest. Otherwise they are going backwards and everyone who lost their life helping to oust Mubarak died in vain.
Let's say the pro-islam Nour party wins the new elections? What will happen then? Will they protest again and get rid of him? You're fooling yourself with your so called democracy. It's not democracy when you only support the winner you want.
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Let's say the pro-islam Nour party wins the new elections? What will happen then? Will they protest again and get rid of him? You're fooling yourself with your so called democracy. It's not democracy when you only support the winner you want.
It's also not a democracy if the leader shits on the people's wishes and does whatever the hell he wants. He is literally trying to give himself all encompassing powers which would destroy their shaky democracy anyway. Hopefully they get it right next time and not elect someone who is going to turn the place into some radical Islamic state where there are few freedoms.
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