DOMA Overturned (Section 3)

CrimsonNuker · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 13791 **Location:**

Bartic wrote:

CrimsonNuker wrote:

Bartic wrote:

Why do you all have to mention that it doesn't affect you?

Cause we're not homophobic

It looked like most of you "defended" themselves, like: "I don't really care, because it doesn't affect me, because, you know, I'm not gay."

Doesn't affect me cause Canada already allows it
Doesn't affect me because it's of no use to me, nor is it disruptive to my well being.
Doesn't affect me cause my straight friends will still be straight and my gay friends will still be gay.

BuDo · **Joined:** Dec 2008 **Posts:** 4714 **Location:**

All this commotion about gay rights and overturning laws to acknowledge/recognize their union has got me wondering about the next level of "taboo closet relationships" that are waiting to come out (more widespread) and fight for their acceptance........ Relationships such as gay incest...brother and brother....sister and sister.... Father and son....Mother and daughter..(all at consenting ages ofcourse)... Heck even regular incest (providing they could prove to a court they can't have children by having themselves fixed)....

How will society view these types of relationships?....Will we be hypocrites and try to tell them (or simply feel/think to ourselves) that this type of relationship is not right? and that this type of relation is sick?....or will we stay true to the current mantra of being supportive....I think something like this would be more interesting to observe...

TheDrop · **Joined:** May 2008 **Posts:** 7150 **Location:** uefa2012

The whole slipper slope argument is pretty bs imo, but personally I don't give a fack if people get married polygamously, incestuously, w/e, as long as its with consent..
Bestiality is not with consent (cause you know, animals)
Pedophilia is not with consent (age of consent is 16+)
Incest does increases likeliness of deformities in babies so thats something to consider..

So yeah, polygamy, and like half the cultures in the world parttake in that

omier · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 5985 **Location:** ...

CrimsonNuker wrote:

Doesn't affect me cause Canada already allows it
Doesn't affect me because it's of no use to me, nor is it disruptive to my well being.
Doesn't affect me cause my straight friends will still be straight and my gay friends will still be gay.

Doesn't affect me cause Estonia doesn't allow it.
Doesn't affect me because it's of no use to me, nor is it disruptive to my well being.
Doesn't affect me cause I don't have any friends.

BuDo wrote:

All this commotion about gay rights and overturning laws to acknowledge/recognize their union has got me wondering about the next level of "taboo closet relationships" that are waiting to come out (more widespread) and fight for their acceptance........ Relationships such as gay incest...brother and brother....sister and sister.... Father and son....Mother and daughter..(all at consenting ages ofcourse)... Heck even regular incest (providing they could prove to a court they can't have children by having themselves fixed)....

How will society view these types of relationships?....Will we be hypocrites and try to tell them (or simply feel/think to ourselves) that this type of relationship is not right? and that this type of relation is sick?....or will we stay true to the current mantra of being supportive....I think something like this would be more interesting to observe...

Well, people have already married with sex dolls and pillows. I don't care about incest marriage though, if the want to, then let them. Marriage is some manmade thing anyways, so it should be free for all.

Ganja · **Joined:** Sep 2009 **Posts:** 1494 **Location:**

The internet is man made but I still have to pay for it.

*BlackFox · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 7923 **Location:**

Sanktum wrote:

I don't care about incest marriage though, if the want to, then let them. Marriage is some manmade thing anyways, so it should be free for all.

No Way.. I don't agree with that and I wouldn't support that at all.

omier · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 5985 **Location:** ...

Ganja wrote:

The internet is man made but I still have to pay for it.

By free I didn't mean that you don't have to pay...

*BlackFox wrote:

Sanktum wrote:

I don't care about incest marriage though, if the want to, then let them. Marriage is some manmade thing anyways, so it should be free for all.

No Way.. I don't agree with that and I wouldn't support that at all.

Why should others get a say in two people wanting to get married anyways? Not letting them do it just seems stupid.

EvGa · **Joined:** Apr 2008 **Posts:** 2612 **Location:** Texas

Good.

In other news, anyone see the fiasco in the Texas senate? :palm:

TheDrop · **Joined:** May 2008 **Posts:** 7150 **Location:** uefa2012

11 hour fillibuster? Epic
If only people had to actually talk to filibuster in the US Senate..

*BlackFox · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 7923 **Location:**

Sanktum wrote:

Why should others get a say in two people wanting to get married anyways? Not letting them do it just seems stupid.

Cause it's gross. And also... the greater risk for birth defects.

ltsune · **Joined:** Mar 2008 **Posts:** 5751 **Location:**

Gaigemasta wrote:

It's just hard for me imagine that religious people feel justified trying to control other peoples lives when in fact it does not harm other people. At this point they just like humanity under the thumb of a hateful god.

:palm:

I do not know exactly what case you're thinking about.
As a christian here in Denmark, I can say that no Christians here in Denmark mind gay people. But the gay should not be able to force the churches into marrying them. Simply because it is against what is said in the Bible. The gay people SHOULD be allowed to get married in my opinion, but you can easily get married at the city hall (or whatever it's called).
Getting married in a church is a religious act, and you cannot be gay and Christian at the same time. Well, let me re-phrase that: You cannot live out your gay-feelings and be Christian at the same time, and thus, you cannot get married in a church if you're gay.

Sadly, here in Denmark, the state has now ruled that it is okay for churches to marry gay people. I do not get it. Why would a gay person want to be married in a Christian church? Just seems odd.

poehalcho · **Posted:** Fri Jun 28, 2013 10:13 pm

ltsune wrote:

Gaigemasta wrote:

It's just hard for me imagine that religious people feel justified trying to control other peoples lives when in fact it does not harm other people. At this point they just like humanity under the thumb of a hateful god.

:palm:

I do not know exactly what case you're thinking about.
As a christian here in Denmark, I can say that no Christians here in Denmark mind gay people. But the gay should not be able to force the churches into marrying them. Simply because it is against what is said in the Bible. The gay people SHOULD be allowed to get married in my opinion, but you can easily get married at the city hall (or whatever it's called).
Getting married in a church is a religious act, and you cannot be gay and Christian at the same time. Well, let me re-phrase that: You cannot live out your gay-feelings and be Christian at the same time, and thus, you cannot get married in a church if you're gay.

Sadly, here in Denmark, the state has now ruled that it is okay for churches to marry gay people. I do not get it. Why would a gay person want to be married in a Christian church? Just seems odd.

If the christians there don't mind the gays then why would the gays mind the christians? What would the motivation be for gays to not be christian and if neither side dislikes each other and is willing to be flexible, is there any reason to deny the service?

It's like your whining about the church keeping up with the times...

TheDrop · **Joined:** May 2008 **Posts:** 7150 **Location:** uefa2012

The Bible also forbids eating pork, working on Sabbath, remarrying after divorce, tattoos, cussing out parents, and requires abstinence. You sure you're still "Christian" brah

CrimsonNuker · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 13791 **Location:**

TheDrop wrote:

The Bible also forbids eating pork, working on Sabbath, remarrying after divorce, tattoos, cussing out parents, and requires abstinence. You sure you're still "Christian" brah

You don't need to be straight edge to be Christian

BuDo · **Joined:** Dec 2008 **Posts:** 4714 **Location:**

*BlackFox wrote:

Sanktum wrote:

Why should others get a say in two people wanting to get married anyways? Not letting them do it just seems stupid.

Cause it's gross. And also... the greater risk for birth defects.

That's what people use to say ("gross", "sick") about gay relationships..minus the having children part...which is why I said if an incestuous couple can provide evidence of not being able to have kids in order to prevent birth defects should they have to fight for their wishes?.....

These out-of-the-norm types of union I find odd and weird but I don't feel I have to right to tell a person how they should live nor do I want to....People should be free to choose their own lifestyle and not have others impose their own opinion/beliefs on them.....So I just take the position of an humble but intrigued observer......

Tasdik · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 13206 **Location:** Life

TheDrop wrote:

The Bible also forbids eating pork, working on Sabbath, remarrying after divorce, tattoos, cussing out parents, and requires abstinence. You sure you're still "Christian" brah

I do all of those things.

Come at me, bro.

poehalcho · **Posted:** Sat Jun 29, 2013 7:41 am

TheDrop wrote:

The Bible also forbids eating pork, working on Sabbath, remarrying after divorce, tattoos, cussing out parents, and requires abstinence. You sure you're still "Christian" brah

You callin' me a Christian, brah???

TheDrop · **Joined:** May 2008 **Posts:** 7150 **Location:** uefa2012

I forgot the original point of that post <,<
Something about ltsune saying gays can't be Christian

*BlackFox · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 7923 **Location:**

BuDo wrote:

People should be free to choose their own lifestyle and not have others impose their own opinion/beliefs on them.....So I just take the position of an humble but intrigued observer......

As long as... there are "under the age" involved in a incestuous relationships.
Yes! I have right to tell... they were doing something wrong.

BuDo · **Joined:** Dec 2008 **Posts:** 4714 **Location:**

*BlackFox wrote:

BuDo wrote:

People should be free to choose their own lifestyle and not have others impose their own opinion/beliefs on them.....So I just take the position of an humble but intrigued observer......

As long as... there are "under the age" involved in a incestuous relationships.
Yes! I have right to tell... they were doing something wrong.

I'm not talking about under-age individuals...but legal consenting adults who want this type of relationship..... weird in my opinion but I shall not judge...

ltsune · **Joined:** Mar 2008 **Posts:** 5751 **Location:**

poehalcho wrote:

ltsune wrote:

Gaigemasta wrote:

It's just hard for me imagine that religious people feel justified trying to control other peoples lives when in fact it does not harm other people. At this point they just like humanity under the thumb of a hateful god.

:palm:

I do not know exactly what case you're thinking about.
As a christian here in Denmark, I can say that no Christians here in Denmark mind gay people. But the gay should not be able to force the churches into marrying them. Simply because it is against what is said in the Bible. The gay people SHOULD be allowed to get married in my opinion, but you can easily get married at the city hall (or whatever it's called).
Getting married in a church is a religious act, and you cannot be gay and Christian at the same time. Well, let me re-phrase that: You cannot live out your gay-feelings and be Christian at the same time, and thus, you cannot get married in a church if you're gay.

Sadly, here in Denmark, the state has now ruled that it is okay for churches to marry gay people. I do not get it. Why would a gay person want to be married in a Christian church? Just seems odd.

If the christians there don't mind the gays then why would the gays mind the christians? What would the motivation be for gays to not be christian and if neither side dislikes each other and is willing to be flexible, is there any reason to deny the service?

It's like your whining about the church keeping up with the times...

I think you misunderstood me a bit. It is true that both sides live just fine with each other here in Denmark.
The Christians don't mind the gay people, and the gay people don't mind the Christians.
That being said, there still is a reason to deny the "service". And let's start with the word "service".
You're talking about getting married in a church like it is something everyone should be doing, which is wrong. Getting married in a church is saying yes to God that you will live with each other and support each other for the rest of your lives.
Seeing as you cannot be gay and Christian at the same time (as that would simply contradict the bible, and therefore you can't call yourself a Christian), I can't understand why Gays would like to be married in a church.

This is not about equal rights. We all have equal rights - and we should have! I do not think any less of gay pay people at all. And frankly, I doubt any Christians do that (at least in Denmark).
But it feels like you guys (and most others who debate this matter) think about getting married in a church like something you can demand to be. It is not!
It is a religious commitment to both your wife/husband and God. Some people just tend to forget the "God" part.
Getting married in a church as gay people is just as weird as it would be for an atheist to pray every evening or have Ramadan.

TheDrop wrote:

The Bible also forbids eating pork, working on Sabbath, remarrying after divorce, tattoos, cussing out parents, and requires abstinence. You sure you're still "Christian" brah

That is not entirely correct. The rules about not eating pork and working on Sabbath is all something you'll find located in the old testament. If you have read the new testament you'll know that what Jesus did was to set us - the people - free from the "old" rules. He did this when he died on the cross for us.

The thing about remarrying after a divorce is correct, though. That is talked about in the new testament as well, and it is to be considered wrong in my opinion.
The tattoos part is sort of the same as when some people read the bible as saying that women should not wear jewelry. This is completely misunderstood, though. There are several times where God talk about Jerusalem and say that he "adorned you (Jerusalem) with jewelry: I put bracelets on your arms and a necklace around your neck, and I put a ring on your nose, earrings on your ears and a beautiful crown on your head."
The thing to remember, however, is that it is also said that women should not dress up or wear jewelry so that they may lead a married man to sin. As in - they shouldn't seduce them (a bit off-topic - but thought I would just mention it).

*BlackFox · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 7923 **Location:**

BuDo wrote:

but legal consenting adults who want this type of relationship

That's really gross/and wrong.. but yeah, consenting adults....

omier · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 5985 **Location:** ...

ltsune wrote:

You're talking about getting married in a church like it is something everyone should be doing, which is wrong. Getting married in a church is saying yes to God that you will live with each other and support each other for the rest of your lives.

But it feels like you guys (and most others who debate this matter) think about getting married in a church like something you can demand to be. It is not!
It is a religious commitment to both your wife/husband and God. Some people just tend to forget the "God" part.

That's what I think, a lot of people in Estonia get married in the church because that's where such things are usually done, although Estonia has basically the biggest percentage of non-religious people in Europe and I would never want to marry in a church myself, that would be silly. Same with babtism of children. I would not do it because I'm not christian, though a lot of people who are not christian still do it.

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