well, imo with the ammount of "apparent" legits hoping to play zelos, i dont see why another new server take-over on the official isro servers cant be the next best thing! The old Avalon union did good, be it kinda too strict, but im sure people could do a better job of making a server bot free, whilst still actually fun and not all "STOP IN THE NAME OF THE LAW" shit that avalon kept doing acting like some dumb ass law enforcers lol.
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True, i didnt say the avalon movement back on venus was bad! Just maybe for a truely legit "haven" or whatever you call it these days, i think it shouldnt be dictated to by one set guild and union. Just a server with no elitest, but ofcourse it would take a guild of that nature and more to actually beat the bots which would no doubt still try to populate the server.
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lol, maybe. But imo that can be based on guild wars and FW not actually setting out from the start, and not allowing others to do so lol. I always used to hear on loads of servers "i bet our union could beat avalons", but they never migrated, would be awesome to have a server that was never predictable who would dominate the server, just literally full of proper skilled legits **** all that single guild leader shit haha, boring imo
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A little surprising actually, I mean I figured they would actually finish even if it took another half a year to do it. . .meh oh well. . .
All is not lost.
Guildwars 2 next year. . .
guild wars 2.
Maybe a mod can close/lock and or delete the thread now that its really of no use.,
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@Hideoki: How do you want to get enough ppl joining a new ISRO server? I still consider it a waste of time playing SRO on the official ISRO servers, as they might get filled anytime again. I prefer playing KSRO with some of my mates, as there aren't any bots and the log in is and probably will always be easy. Even though Joymax/WeMade improved quite a bit recently, i still can't fully trust them. They disappointed us far too often to return to ISRO already.
Besides strict rules are definitely needed to build a good and solid legit community. Someone just has to take over the leadership, as there are just too many wanna-be legits, who would try to infiltrate the legit community. They don't really stand behind the real ideals of the legits and they would prefer the fast and easy way rather than the long and hard, but really legit way of playing. If you don't have people on the top, who enforce the rules, everything will just end up in chaos and everyone will do, what he wants. A legit community without strict rules can't exist. That ones, who are truely legit won't have any problems to follow these rules anyway and that ones, who don't want to follow the rules or don't like them, shouldn't even be in a legit community anyway, as they simply don't fit in.
As a sidenote, no i am not a former member of the legit confederation on venus, but i simply share the same opinion and ideals. That's all.
You missunderstood me. I said, if you start coding a server, you will definitely finish it, as you never give up on anything, after you started it. Therefore i suggested, that you start coding a server, then we can be sure, that the server will be finished.
I am aware, that the project is over and it won't be finished, but it doesn't matter. I had fun, while it lasted and now i'll just go back to KSRO and play there together with some friends. On KSRO there are barely any bots and you'll always get the new updates first.
I gotta say it... your coma's are really fugged up
The team did pretty good, such a shame they gave up
Can we please get a user to post a video of themself freaking out over Zelos failing? You'll be legend on this sub-forum <3 <3 and it will give the rest of us a good laugh =)
I vote Grounded do it!
Sorry to dissapoint you dear user, but the videos i usually share are buttsecks/cpinney related! so this request is not gonna be delivered!
Yours deeply, ~Grounded.
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@Hideoki: How do you want to get enough ppl joining a new ISRO server? I still consider it a waste of time playing SRO on the official ISRO servers, as they might get filled anytime again. I prefer playing KSRO with some of my mates, as there aren't any bots and the log in is and probably will always be easy. Even though Joymax/WeMade improved quite a bit recently, i still can't fully trust them. They disappointed us far too often to return to ISRO already.
Besides strict rules are definitely needed to build a good and solid legit community. Someone just has to take over the leadership, as there are just too many wanna-be legits, who would try to infiltrate the legit community. They don't really stand behind the real ideals of the legits and they would prefer the fast and easy way rather than the long and hard, but really legit way of playing. If you don't have people on the top, who enforce the rules, everything will just end up in chaos and everyone will do, what he wants. A legit community without strict rules can't exist. That ones, who are truely legit won't have any problems to follow these rules anyway and that ones, who don't want to follow the rules or don't like them, shouldn't even be in a legit community anyway, as they simply don't fit in.
As a sidenote, no i am not a former member of the legit confederation on venus, but i simply share the same opinion and ideals. That's all.
I like the way you think.
Also, the legit rules on Venus were not at all hard to follow. I never was like, "Oh man, I wish I could go buy a plvl right now". Why? Because the community was amazing. By far the best I've ever played with in my 4ish years of sro. They made you want to be legit. That was the key to their success.
Bananaman wrote:
Maybe a mod can close/lock and or delete the thread now that its really of no use.,
I was thinking about reporting it to be locked, but we're having a decent discussion so, until/when that stops, I say it's worth keeping this thread open.
blahblahblahblahblah hate to say i told you so and so on and so forth, and this is why i didnt make an account or reg new server thing sounds good, but ya it just depends on where and if it wont be as small as the mini ones i see in other servers
It doesnt even have to be isro, before (what was then) esro was in its open beta phase, a load of old venus guys from igamelegit and also the players waiting for esro itself. We went over to tsro, and for the few weeks that everyone played, it was pretty awesome tbh, literally 100% server access, no bots and the Tai's would help you out occasionally if needed. And anyone who claims 1x rates suck, thats a load of bullshit as we had players (obviously legit) hitting lvl 50-60 range in the time we played, i personally only reached like lvl 45 or something but i also had a load of stuff stopping me playing as often as i liked.
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It doesnt even have to be isro, before (what was then) esro was in its open beta phase, a load of old venus guys from igamelegit and also the players waiting for esro itself. We went over to tsro, and for the few weeks that everyone played, it was pretty awesome tbh, literally 100% server access, no bots and the Tai's would help you out occasionally if needed. And anyone who claims 1x rates suck, thats a load of bullshit as we had players (obviously legit) hitting lvl 50-60 range in the time we played, i personally only reached like lvl 45 or something but i also had a load of stuff stopping me playing as often as i liked.
Well yea, TSRO was awesome until the IP-Ban. Btw, the highest players even reached Lv.7X. The highest level in union was Grimmjow Lv.76 Warrior/Bard, as far as i know. I reached Lv.68 with my warlock/cleric (IGN: Kalypso) being FF until lv.64.
I'd suggest KSRO, if you want to try a new legit movement on a non-isro server. It's definitely the best foreign SRO version for something like that, as bots aren't tolerated there. Currently there aren't any bots at all and the korean people are usually very friendly, unless you give them reasons to hate you. Actually KSRO could even turn into a 2nd TSRO without IP-Ban of course. On any other official SRO version (except for JSRO, but you can't play there unless you are japanese) bots are either tolerated or even supported by the company in charge of it. Moreover you'll always have the most recent updates on KSRO. One big problem of KSRO is, that there are barely any partys until Alexandria area. That ones, who can't go there yet, usually take plevel until they can, but we refused to do that, as we didn't like it.
I am just playing there with a rather small group of friends and we are having quite a lot of fun. Most of us are in the Lv.7X lv. range currently and although we usually don't have full pts, we already killed several Lord Yarkan's (unbugged of course, bugging uniques is for noobs, who can't handle the spawns^^) and are doing pts or Forgotten World, when everyone is there.
And there are some other minor problems with KSRO too. It's quite hard to make accounts for KSRO, as you need a valid KSSN. Even if you succed in making an account, you still have to change some settings before you can play KSRO. Without korean system locale and language settings you won't even be able to log in. As there is no english media.pk2, you'll have to play the game in korean. (Actually you could use a loader to make the game english, but we don't consider that as legit and you might even get banned by the korean GMs for using 3rd party programmes) Then you should gather at least 20-30 people, who actually want to stay on KSRO and won't give up after a few weeks. More people would probably come, if you are succesfull. If you pick our server, we could offer you a lv.2 guild, but we would kick out everyone, who takes plevel, with zero tolerance, as we don't consider it a legit way of gaining levels.
Finding the right people for that is probably the hardest part of it. Unfortunately in the current situation, the true legits are not only spread over several different servers, they are playing different SRO-versions too. It would be awesome, if you could collect all these people on the same server, but it's almost impossible to accomplish that. Besides that i know, that many people, who used to play on TSRO with us, stopped playing SRO and they won't come back anymore.
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you know, one good thing is we got a beautiful community.
If we were willing to set up another confederation, spread the word, etc, etc, and seriously get people to join, then things could become interesting again.
Let's be frank, Venus way was fantastic, ofc, people who had power abused it a little (*remembers his albel incident*) but besides that, it worked like a charm... now, the thing is, the reason it worked was because there was Avalon, but since everybody can login nowadays... idk
i wouldn't mind starting another movement, the iris one was really fun until people started quitting due to server traffic.
If you guys do decide to make a movement, i think we should go to either venus or iris cause of the some-what big legit community there. we could also try maya or aztec since they're new, or phoenix and eldorado cause i already have chars there =D
OR we could think outside the box and try Ksro, i hear the community there is really nice, almost no turks. Csro would also be fun since you get a +77 weapon and 20k sp right away.
EDIT: i just read Kalypso's post( it looked long as hell so i decided not to read it before) and i think if we do make a movement it should definitely be on Ksro, i think the biggest problem is just going to get valid KSSN's. i remember about a year ago i wanted to try ksro and i spent like 3 days trying to find a kssn until i rage quit.
CSRO is not really an option actually. With flagship VIP the difference between that ones, who want to spend money on the game and that ones, who don't want to do that, is just too big. Besides that bots are even supported by CIMO, which makes it quite hard to fight against them. I wouldn't want to go there again. Recently we had a german legit movement on a CSRO server, but it failed due to flagship VIP.
And i am still not sure about getting back to ISRO again. I don't really trust Joymax/WeMade yet, although the servers were populated for quite a lot time. They just disappointed us far too often to get back on ISRO now. Besides that there are still bots everywhere and it doesn't seem to me, that they will get banned anytime soon.
There is just 1 big problem with KSRO. If you can't find enough people to keep the pts alive, it will probably fail like the other attempts of new waves on KSRO. First you'll probably have to gather some people before you start playing together.
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CSRO is not really an option actually. With flagship VIP the difference between that ones, who want to spend money on the game and that ones, who don't want to do that, is just too big. Besides that bots are even supported by CIMO, which makes it quite hard to fight against them. I wouldn't want to go there again. Recently we had a german legit movement on a CSRO server, but it failed due to flagship VIP.
hmm wow i didnt know that. Ksro seems like a best choice so far.
Zelos should have been the final chapter in my SRO yearbook so to speak. but it all sounds like npcdoom was deleting some random crap and accidentally deleted the entire zelos code
anyways i'm off to play more LoL (first game i ever found to be better then sro IMO)
Well, i don't think that getting the required KSSNs is the main problem there. It's not that hard to find valid KSSNs, if you know, where to search for them. Finding enough people, who won't give up after 3 weeks, is a bigger problem, i guess. So far the new waves on KSRO didn't get very far. Therefore it's important to find enough people before starting to play there. 20-30 people at least for the start. The rest would probably come later, when they notice, that we are succesfull there.
Well, i don't think that getting the required KSSNs is the main problem there. It's not that hard to find valid KSSNs, if you know, where to search for them. Finding enough people, who won't give up after 3 weeks, is a bigger problem, i guess. So far the new waves on KSRO didn't get very far. Therefore it's important to find enough people before starting to play there. 20-30 people at least for the start. The rest would probably come later, when they notice, that we are succesfull there.
idk about getting 30 people, i think if we can get 15 people right away we'd be lucky.
quick question, what the lowest level of "active" player there atm?
If we chose ksro, i would be abe to send bulk emails letting people know about the idea. I could even setup a full website and forum for the community to use as its own (not sure if you remember, but i designed and managed the esro forums before they moved to zelos). I have the database for the forums we used, had over 3k members, which even if we only get a 10% feedback rate and membership return thats a healthy ammount of potential players ready.
Either ksro for the likely most solid and safe server, but maybe starting a fresh on the next isro server? Atleast no confusion in registering will happen like with ksro (and there will be, we had allot of hassle with some people even on tsro lol).
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Well, i don't think that getting the required KSSNs is the main problem there. It's not that hard to find valid KSSNs, if you know, where to search for them. Finding enough people, who won't give up after 3 weeks, is a bigger problem, i guess. So far the new waves on KSRO didn't get very far. Therefore it's important to find enough people before starting to play there. 20-30 people at least for the start. The rest would probably come later, when they notice, that we are succesfull there.
idk about getting 30 people, i think if we can get 15 people right away we'd be lucky.
quick question, what the lowest level of "active" player there atm?
Well, that's probably our pt, but as i already said we are just around 6 people in the level range from Lv.56 (bard) until Lv.79. Currently we are doing wing tribes, but we'll probably move on to chasers soon. Besides that, there are basically no pts until Alexandria area, at least on our server, and everyone in that level range just takes powerlevel until they can pt at Alexandria. Some of us have lower level characters too and we could probably help you with that characters, if we aren't playing on our main characters. Currently all of us are kinda busy with studies and stuff though, which means that we can only play Silkroad in the evening anyway. But as there is basically nothing so far, if you want to start a legit movement on KSRO, you'll better wait until you have enough people to make pts, even if some of the people just disappear suddenly (You'll better be prepared for that too or it might ruin your whole plan). Else it will probably end like the last attempts.
Registering and setting up KSRO is actually not such a big deal, if you know, where to find the required informations.
Yeah, i have a ksro account but never played there actively. There will be people who constantly ask how to register even with guides though, but i guess ksro does sound the best option. Can foreign ip's buy silk?
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Ksro would have been awesome, I would have loved to play but the country I live in had an IP ban so I couldn't... at least without a proxy and that was just too much of a pain in the ass.
If you really wanted to start a legit thing on ksro you would need numbers enough to have parties at nearly all levels 24/7 (as with what Tasdik experienced) meaning having around 100 or so people who are active/semi active.
Party play is really what Changed sro from an ok, to a great game, it encouraged more team play in other aspects such as trading and thieving and helped really bring a tighter community to the game (at least for the first few months that euro came out) of course the bots ruined it but still there were lots of people playing AND partying and not botting.
You would basically have to get enough people to create that kind of experience. . .15. . .not even 30 people is going to cut it.
The thing is, Most people dont want to go through all the hassle to play Ksro (hell even I didnt want to deal with the proxy bs after I got an account)
Yes Ksro has better rates (1x but the exp to level is a lot lower after 80 or so) and some other stuff, but for a game that is this old, with other games out and coming out that are easier to play and not bot infested. . .+the number of people that are probably turned off of sro after the zelos failure (2 and a half years of waiting to get close but to lose all the data and close up shop) I would see most people saying *f-it* and find a real game to play.
Yeah webmade is doing some good stuff, but frankly it just may be too late for sro as a whole outside of ksro. I mean hell all ISRO is now is just Turks. . .once they start getting bored of the game, sro will die lol,
The best option is to just maybe make a thread about people to go to Ksro and just help people once they get into game and let it be, the people that want to get to ksro the most will find their way there.
if you put a whole bunch of energy into it and only like 3 people show up and quit because there's no one else there its just too discouraging and depressing.
personally I don't think there will be much of a ksro community at this stage, other games are coming out that blow sro out of the water. sris styke if ganeplay is old and dying out and develpers are seeing that (Im talking abotu the grndfest+pay to win system) that's going to be dying out soon + the kids with no money are growing up getting jobs and will buy these new games that are going to be worth their money.
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Sro dies when the turks leave? hmmm, i'd say sro is reborn when the turks leave tbh lol. There are better mmorpg's, but i cant think of any f2p mmorpg's that are potentially as good as sro is. Ignoring the bots and scammers etc ofcourse.
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Yeah, i have a ksro account but never played there actively. There will be people who constantly ask how to register even with guides though, but i guess ksro does sound the best option. Can foreign ip's buy silk?
No they can't. The only way of getting silk items as foreigner is getting enough ingame gold to buy them from the stalls.
Bananaman wrote:
Ksro would have been awesome, I would have loved to play but the country I live in had an IP ban so I couldn't... at least without a proxy and that was just too much of a pain in the ass.
Using a proxy is not that hard, if you know how to set it up. I am using a proxy myself and it's not really such a big deal, if you have the proper guides.
Bananaman wrote:
If you really wanted to start a legit thing on ksro you would need numbers enough to have parties at nearly all levels 24/7 (as with what Tasdik experienced) meaning having around 100 or so people who are active/semi active.
Party play is really what Changed sro from an ok, to a great game, it encouraged more team play in other aspects such as trading and thieving and helped really bring a tighter community to the game (at least for the first few months that euro came out) of course the bots ruined it but still there were lots of people playing AND partying and not botting.
You would basically have to get enough people to create that kind of experience. . .15. . .not even 30 people is going to cut it.
Well, do you think the legit confederation of Venus started with around 100 people right from the start? Probably not, i rather guess that they had a small group of maybe 30 people, who decided to play on Venus and other people just followed them, when they saw, that they were succesfull. I know that SRO without pts gets kinda boring very fast, but even with around 20-30 people it should be possible to do pts on a regular basis, if you organize yourself a bit. And other people might want to join in too, when they notice, that we are succesfull on KSRO.
Bananaman wrote:
The thing is, Most people dont want to go through all the hassle to play Ksro (hell even I didnt want to deal with the proxy bs after I got an account)
You just need to know, how to deal with it. Then it's almost no problem at all.
Bananaman wrote:
Yes Ksro has better rates (1x but the exp to level is a lot lower after 80 or so) and some other stuff, but for a game that is this old, with other games out and coming out that are easier to play and not bot infested. . .+the number of people that are probably turned off of sro after the zelos failure (2 and a half years of waiting to get close but to lose all the data and close up shop) I would see most people saying *f-it* and find a real game to play.
As far as i know, the exp requirements on KSRO aren't lower than that ones on ISRO, but i may be wrong there. I only know for sure, that CSRO has lower exp requirements than KSRO and ISRO.
Bananaman wrote:
Yeah webmade is doing some good stuff, but frankly it just may be too late for sro as a whole outside of ksro. I mean hell all ISRO is now is just Turks. . .once they start getting bored of the game, sro will die lol,
Yea, that's the reason, why i actually don't want to go back on ISRO. It's just a waste of time with all the bots around there.
Bananaman wrote:
The best option is to just maybe make a thread about people to go to Ksro and just help people once they get into game and let it be, the people that want to get to ksro the most will find their way there.
if you put a whole bunch of energy into it and only like 3 people show up and quit because there's no one else there its just too discouraging and depressing.
If we would talk about any other SRO version, i would agree, but it's not that easy to get on KSRO on your own. You usually need at least some help from people, who already play there and are familiar with the registration process. First of all, you need a valid KSSN and if you don't know, where to search for them, it's not that easy to find one. Besides that you need to modify some settings in your control panel and some people need a proxy too. I doubt people would actually know, how to deal with all these things, if you just tell them to come to KSRO.
Bananaman wrote:
personally I don't think there will be much of a ksro community at this stage, other games are coming out that blow sro out of the water. sris styke if ganeplay is old and dying out and develpers are seeing that (Im talking abotu the grndfest+pay to win system) that's going to be dying out soon + the kids with no money are growing up getting jobs and will buy these new games that are going to be worth their money.
Well, you'll never know, unless you try. The best server for a legit sro community at this stage is probably KSRO, as all the other official and private servers are just fail atm.
Sorry for the wall of text. xD
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