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 Post subject: Re: Tried and true, thought I'd let the legit community know 1st
PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 9:24 pm 
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There is something. At 90 cap I droped 3 suns 9deg, my friend 4-5 and other guy from alliance 2 suns at same spot. At 100cap I droped som and he droped 3 sos, again same spot.
So, who knows..

And is that spot fast spawn rate? spawn a lot of mobs?

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There is something. At 90 cap I droped 3 suns 9deg, my friend 4-5 and other guy from alliance 2 suns at same spot. At 100cap I droped som and he droped 3 sos, again same spot.
So, who knows..

And is that spot fast spawn rate? spawn a lot of mobs?

Hmm you can say it is, its one of shaitan spawn spots at 85-87 mobs. Maybe it was just luck, but we all grinded at other spots 85-87 mobs and none of droped anything there.

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Well, the chance of getting sos items is high as the spawn rate is fast...
Roll a dice 10 times, you are not sure you'll get a number 6.
Roll a dice 10000 times, you are 99.999% sure you'll get a number 6.
And that's statistic, not probability

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Well, the chance of getting sos items is high as the spawn rate is fast...
Roll a dice 10 times, you are not sure you'll get a number 6.
Roll a dice 10000 times, you are 99.999% sure you'll get a number 6.
And that's statistic, not probability


But if mob a at spawn point x has their drop tables set at 1 out of
10X10*23rd

and mob a at spawn point y has their drop tables set at 1 out of 10X10*3rd. . . .

You wouldn't get that drop at spawn x even if you grind there 24 hours a day for 400 years.

Most games do this, ramdomize the drop tables for their mobs at spawn points, ESPECIALLY in games where you have item mall items that increase drop rates for x amount of time. . .

Ooops. . .I said too much...

and and the reason why the people arent telling the spots is becuase they dont want jm to *fix* it, so be happy that they are even telling you they exist, and go out there and find those spots on your own.

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Like no one has ever discuss about this. The game is born for 5 years. You think that this is the first time someone talk about his little secret?
Some guys may have luck in one spot, other guys tested that spot, nothing happened. You don't know how the drop rate works and you don't know what affect it. If it happened to many people, it's luck and coincidence

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Well..a friends pt got like 5 Nova's by now on the same spot so who knows lol.

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The few times I've gotten a SoX drop I was always in a 4 person party. I doubt that proves anything. It's more likely pure coincidence.

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Sooooo, what's the spot?

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Sooooo, what's the spot?
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Update:

Formed party on 8/3.

Nova Drop on 8/3 and 8/5.

Still want to tell me certain spots don't influence this?

Spoiler!

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the lvl 94 snake demon.. lizard people w/e got me and my 8/8 party a total of 8 sox drops
at 3 different spots.
and from what i've heard, the int alex monsters drop quite alot as well.

To me int's seem to drop more because of their lower hp and because int builds prefer to hunt them:
max kills

at least that's were most of my sox come from

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Goseki wrote:
Update:

Formed party on 8/3.

Nova Drop on 8/3 and 8/5.

Still want to tell me certain spots don't influence this?

Spoiler!

Its still coincidental mate

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All my SOX drops were from monster that do not spawn giant, and from temple(like jupiter temple) or stronghold, maybe it's coincindence...

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best spots?
G-Spot...or even better the Deep-Spot

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i believe each new spot has drop rate just as much as plus rate. you will drop 2-3-5-7 sons from the same spot and either the drop rate on that spot becomes harder or it has depleted and needs wait period before it allows more drops.


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There are a ton of different theories on drop rates.. here's my experiences.

1. Got to level 83 and not a single sox drop... ever
2. Got to 52 on another char and got over 10 sox drops.. only one sun though.

A few of the theories I have seen over the years include
  • Predetermined at character creation
  • Different mobs/locations
  • Orange Mobs have higher chance
  • Premium Ticket ups your chances..
  • Being in autoshare party increases chances.(because of party mobs)

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There are a ton of different theories on drop rates.. here's my experiences.

1. Got to level 83 and not a single sox drop... ever
2. Got to 52 on another char and got over 10 sox drops.. only one sun though.

A few of the theories I have seen over the years include
  • Predetermined at character creation
  • Different mobs/locations
  • Orange Mobs have higher chance
  • Premium Ticket ups your chances..
  • Being in autoshare party increases chances.(because of party mobs)


this seems very likely,
the party mobs have a higher drop rate, in a good party you kill quicker and premium... well that'd be a hidden function they haven't been advertising for yet.

but orange mobs weren't inclined to give me much at all :(

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but we already know that each mobs have different settings, for example alex mobs are linked and drop high rate of sons, so if you decide to just analyze that area, it will leave you with less theories.

- everytime ppl moved to higher mobs (102>107>110) they dropped few sons
- after awhile, the drop on that spot is getting lower
- the server at whole, still keeps dropping alot of sons, you see many popping for sale etc
- many of the spots are taken by bot parties, which force ppl to explore new spots, hence the son drops keep coming

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best spots?
G-Spot

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Its true!!! i remember on swsro, (ye i know its higher drop rate, just read on) i got 2 suns in about 5mins, and so much SOX drops at chakjis, while i grinded there, it was just amazing, but then not that much drops, so i do believe that some spots have higher percentage.

on CSRO:

I was on server Ocean, we were PTing at Evil Order Warriors (lvl 28) and we got 2 sos drops, within 30mins, on another server, we PTed there again, and got 2 more sos drops (the spots were same), then we moved to kokoru and got a sos drop again, so ye.....


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I have to agree with the topic creator here.

Yep, again, in my experience, I found this to be true. I got total of about 20 SONs including the most significant ones (3 2H sons drops, 1 euro ring, 1 spear...) in the same spot. We have tried different ones and some of them don't drop SON at all while some drop very quickly. statistically speaking, we average 1 SON drop each week (last few weeks, we got 3 SONs drop within 1 day).

Also, keep it at the discussion level. All the flames are really unnessary. The reasons many other posters (including me) don't even want to post here beacuse every topic just turn into silly verbal war.

For the ones who claim they quit the game, why bother waste your time discussing about this game when you hate it so much?

I believe this silkroad forums is made for discussions for silkroad related materials, not about attacking one another in an online environment. Either shut it and leave the game and don't even talk about it or discuss it with manners!

I am aware this post might trigger some verbal war again. You know what, it is really unnessary, either you or whoever wins does not matter; it is just a waste of time for all: for the readers, for the posters, for the admins overseeing all these ...etc

Keep it clean and discuss about silkroad!!!! Peace!!!!


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I have to agree with the topic creator here.

Yep, again, in my experience, I found this to be true. I got total of about 20 SONs including the most significant ones (3 2H sons drops, 1 euro ring, 1 spear...) in the same spot. We have tried different ones and some of them don't drop SON at all while some drop very quickly. statistically speaking, we average 1 SON drop each week (last few weeks, we got 3 SONs drop within 1 day).

Also, keep it at the discussion level. All the flames are really unnessary. The reasons many other posters (including me) don't even want to post here beacuse every topic just turn into silly verbal war.

For the ones who claim they quit the game, why bother waste your time discussing about this game when you hate it so much?

I believe this silkroad forums is made for discussions for silkroad related materials, not about attacking one another in an online environment. Either shut it and leave the game and don't even talk about it or discuss it with manners!

I am aware this post might trigger some verbal war again. You know what, it is really unnessary, either you or whoever wins does not matter; it is just a waste of time for all: for the readers, for the posters, for the admins overseeing all these ...etc

Keep it clean and discuss about silkroad!!!! Peace!!!!


Well the verbal war happens only because no one explained which spots drop the sox items which of course no ones going to let that info out, you just got to figure it out on your own.

Things is a LOT of games do things like this, have certain spots to drop more items etc etc. Id say, just wait untill you farm at the lvl cap and try grinding in a spot for a week, if nothing drops, move spots, if at least ONE sox item drops, just stay there and farm that spot. Thats pretty much the simplest way to do it.

You can then determine the patten of drops each spot has (they all do have some kind of lose pattern) you can really only do this by recording each drop that occurs over about an 8 hour period.

*Ive done that on other games before and figured out drop patterns for rare items etc etc and im pretty sure that it would be the same (albeit harder) here.* I mean since the sp farming rate is so high, why not, you're gonna be farming for 50 years anyway, mind as well deconstruct the drop mechanics a bit.

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The topic creator, you and I have the same thinking... but in addition to that, i think different server has different "good" spot of SOX drops (this is still speculation).


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Luck =/= proof


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Well, the chance of getting sos items is high as the spawn rate is fast...
Roll a dice 10 times, you are not sure you'll get a number 6.
Roll a dice 10000 times, you are 99.999% sure you'll get a number 6.
And that's statistic, not probability


Ye you got a point, except its a bit different with SoX....lets say number 1 is sox, and a weird dice has over 100000000 numbers, 1 roll represents one kill, so therefore, you need to kill a lot more, do i got it right or am i just writing down random shit? :palm:

BTW, i dont understand the weird title? Tried and True???

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Thnks.

#SON drops in past 3 weeks: 1 sword, 1 chest, 1 shield (all same spot) and 1 legs at a new spot.

Waiting to see if more drop from the new spot. We moved from the old spot cuz ppl died once cleric dc and we'd all have to run back to town and wait for him to relog.

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It's all random.

Luck =/= proof


Random does not exist on computers.


Shows what you know =(

http://tinyurl.com/3x2v778

tldr
can generate a number based on random event happening irl

My post still stands..If anyone can show me proof then..well heh.

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