How to End bots and make the game better

mageman1234 · **Joined:** Jan 2010 **Posts:** 2 **Location:** ISRO

i think the reason that it is overrun by bots is the grinding system. By recomending these imrpovements, we can stop bots and make the game more challenging/fun.
1.lower the exp a lot when fighting monsters below your lvl, for example if you want to kill something 1 lvl below you you will barely get any exp. this will cause bots to not be able to bot because they always grind green mobs.
2. lower drop drop rate drastically or make it non existant when fighting mobs below your lvl. this is because even at ong taxis the plvlers get money from pt mobs and this will wipe out goldbots.
3. drastically increase the power of champions and giants, this will create the need for skill when grinding, something bots cant do.
4. increase the effectiveness of party play, exp or sp gain while in parties
5. allow solo aoeing, which requires skill and attention, but is very fast lvling.
6.make ltps more exp bonus, but maybe they spawn champions or giants
7.anything else to make solo w/o party and on lower lvl mobs impossible

Goseki · **Joined:** Apr 2008 **Posts:** 3452 **Location:**

mageman1234 wrote:

i think the reason that it is overrun by bots is the grinding system. By recomending these imrpovements, we can stop bots and make the game more challenging/fun.
1.lower the exp a lot when fighting monsters below your lvl, for example if you want to kill something 1 lvl below you you will barely get any exp. this will cause bots to not be able to bot because they always grind green mobs.
Would suck if you were a solo euro eh.
2. lower drop drop rate drastically or make it non existant when fighting mobs below your lvl. this is because even at ong taxis the plvlers get money from pt mobs and this will wipe out goldbots.
uhh dunno about you, but i'm pretty sure lvl 100 wiz don't get drops or gold there
3. drastically increase the power of champions and giants, this will create the need for skill when grinding, something bots cant do.
Have you ever paid attention to what you do when you grind. 123412341234 not really skills. Only time "skills" come into play is if you're out to ks with kd, only thing that prevents ppl from attacking.
4. increase the effectiveness of party play, exp or sp gain while in parties
Already in play, hence ppl re-made characters and became euros.
5. allow solo aoeing, which requires skill and attention, but is very fast lvling.
Nukes? Or what else did you have in mind???
6.make ltps more exp bonus, but maybe they spawn champions or giants
wait... isn't LTP? long time parties? Isn't that code for bot grinding... thought it was back in 80 cap days. They do, party i'm in almost always has 1-2 party giant spawned.
7.anything else to make solo w/o party and on lower lvl mobs impossible
Now I'm just confused....

First it's pro party 4, than pro solo 5

Nice try though.

mageman1234 · **Joined:** Jan 2010 **Posts:** 2 **Location:** ISRO

no i shall defend >=o
1.euros wouldnt solo
2.im talking about the lvl 60 wiz they fight lvl 3x but still get drops? thats rediculus.
3.theres a lot more to 123421321324, how about freeze,stun,knockback,debuff,kd,ice/fire wall etc
4. how about making it more effective, like party buffs,skills that make hand grinding 1000x more effective rthan botting?
5. no like real aoeing. luring 10-20 regular mobs and aoeing them all at once, maybe with a force healer or cleric.
6. well it should be for regular chinese soloing = =
7. pro solo, but aoeing or in a party ltp or fighting orange/red mobs

edit: it will work, there are games like silkroad that are dont have goldbots or grind bots.

Goseki · **Joined:** Apr 2008 **Posts:** 3452 **Location:**

mageman1234 wrote:

no i shall defend >=o
1.euros wouldnt solo
2.im talking about the lvl 60 wiz they fight lvl 3x but still get drops? thats rediculus.
3.theres a lot more to 123421321324, how about freeze,stun,knockback,debuff,kd,ice/fire wall etc
4. how about making it more effective, like party buffs,skills that make hand grinding 1000x more effective rthan botting?
5. no like real aoeing. luring 10-20 regular mobs and aoeing them all at once, maybe with a force healer or cleric.
6. well it should be for regular chinese soloing = =
7. pro solo, but aoeing or in a party ltp or fighting orange/red mobs

edit: it will work, there are games like silkroad that are dont have goldbots or grind bots.

All the games I've seen have cheaters, only they get banned, JM doesn't care.

A combination of increasing dmg of champ and giants would help if you reduce the drop lvl. After 3-5 lvls, drops and gold stops, but champs and giants hit like mobs 5-10 lvls stronger. Again though, this might make it too hard for a poor solo-er with little gold.

What server are you on. On old servers, I never see a lvl 60 wiz powerlvler anymore. It's all 100 wiz, bard, nuker, or blader. Really pointless. Unless you're in a union or guild that's always doing ong powerlvling, it's impossible to ong farm by yourself at ongs.

If party buffs were any more powered, it would be impossible for China to pvp. Those effects are just skills. I won't go into it, but grinding in chin tomb and trying to find a spot for my guildmates, they all use those skills. I even saw a party of 1 lvl 100 wiz, and 5 warrior/clerics buffing. Wiz could tank 2-3 99 pt giants... was like o_O

NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Mon Jan 04, 2010 7:47 am

number 8. the most important you forgot: what do JM gain if they do these tweaks?

Karras · **Joined:** Nov 2008 **Posts:** 659 **Location:**

The NuclearSilo that we know....
When aome1 gives an idea against bots, he argue, when aome1 gives an idea pro bots he argue...
At the end of the day, he always thought he won the argument.
Hes the Smartest Ass in SRF.

Crowley · **Posted:** Mon Jan 04, 2010 8:40 am

Why do people keep making these kinds of threads. It's not going to happen, JM won't do anything. This is like saying, "What would I do with a billion dollars..." It doesn't matter because you'll never get that much anyway.

XMoshe · **Posted:** Mon Jan 04, 2010 9:00 am

If they would really want to fix it. Increase exp/sp rates and block all bots and you're done. The grind is insane, make it a bit easier and make sure there are no alternatives and you'll get more players.

PR0METHEUS · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 4093 **Location:** Earth

mageman1234 wrote:

i think the reason that it is overrun by bots is the grinding system. By recomending these imrpovements, we can stop bots and make the game more challenging/fun.
1.lower the exp a lot when fighting monsters below your lvl, for example if you want to kill something 1 lvl below you you will barely get any exp. this will cause bots to not be able to bot because they always grind green mobs.Some characters have a hard time staying alive grinding on mobs at their level or higher, especially solo.
2. lower drop drop rate drastically or make it non existant when fighting mobs below your lvl. this is because even at ong taxis the plvlers get money from pt mobs and this will wipe out goldbots.If you want to wipe out gold bots, ban gold buyers
3. drastically increase the power of champions and giants, this will create the need for skill when grinding, something bots cant do.would make it even more difficult to solo.
4. increase the effectiveness of party play, exp or sp gain while in partiesI always thought exp/sp gain in parties was pretty good.
5. allow solo aoeing, which requires skill and attention, but is very fast lvling.Not sure what you mean. Even my blader has some skills to hit multiple mobs at the same time (number of connections). Isn't this AOE?
6.make ltps more exp bonus, but maybe they spawn champions or giantsThis would just help bots level faster when they are in a party. They'll just be coded to run away from champs and giants
7.anything else to make solo w/o party and on lower lvl mobs impossible

As far as server population, crowded grinding spots, impossible to log in, etc... leveling bots aren't the problem. Gold bots are. Want to get rid of them? Stop buying gold! (not you specifically, but the gold buyers in general). Joymax needs to start banning some of these gold buyers.

strangelove · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 1255 **Location:** no

Tsume wrote:

Why do people keep making these kinds of threads. It's not going to happen, JM won't do anything. This is like saying, "What would I do with a billion dollars..." It doesn't matter because you'll never get that much anyway.

It is a phase most ISRO players go through in which one pretends they are a Joymax employee or even head of the company.

This phenomenon can be found throughout our forum's history in great quantities. The most common forms of this you'll find will be in the form of numbered lists (i.e, "5 easy steps to a better SRO") or extensive ranting threads (i.e, "GAYMAX WILL DIE SOON") about the game with solutions to each problem they have encountered (or else the game will face an inevitable crash and burn as a result of their personal dissatisfaction.)

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S3by · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 519 **Location:**

When i was browsing internet i found Soul of the Ultimate Nation .
A quest based game , in 3 days only doing quest i reach lvl 72 . Max lvl of the game is 100 , but what is the good part . Killing mobs elite 5 lvls higher bring u 00,01 % xp . So that game is imposible to bot , hack . And iven if there was something for it u cannot use it because game is based on maps , every map 2,3 quests then next map , best game ever . If sro woud become a quest based , or a caravan lvl 2 trader , must be lvl 20 , lvl 3 trader must be lvl 50 bla bla it woud be answome . Till then i'll stick with my Soul of the Ultimate Nation

Jilbab · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 165 **Location:**

Only think I agree with is increase the exp per kill, cos that's why a lot of people bot, cos it takes too damn long to level up.

TheRealAnswer1 · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 764 **Location:**

Would you guys rather have this event or an event where the GM's go around and do their job?(a rare phenomenon I know)

Crowley · **Posted:** Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:36 pm

Fug_Dup wrote:

It is a phase most ISRO players go through in which one pretends they are a Joymax employee or even head of the company.

That is so true :shock:

chickenfeather · **Posted:** Mon Jan 04, 2010 1:32 pm

Tsume wrote:

Fug_Dup wrote:

It is a phase most ISRO players go through in which one pretends they are a Joymax employee or even head of the company.

That is so true :shock:

Totally. Maybe this is some sort of psychological thing. Someone could write their PhD thesis on this phenomenon.

NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Mon Jan 04, 2010 5:20 pm

Karras wrote:

The NuclearSilo that we know....
When aome1 gives an idea against bots, he argue, when aome1 gives an idea pro bots he argue...
At the end of the day, he always thought he won the argument.
Hes the Smartest Ass in SRF.

coz you didn't say what should be say

If there is no loophole in arguments, how could I argue?

PR0METHEUS · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 4093 **Location:** Earth

NuclearSilo wrote:

Karras wrote:

The NuclearSilo that we know....
When aome1 gives an idea against bots, he argue, when aome1 gives an idea pro bots he argue...
At the end of the day, he always thought he won the argument.
Hes the Smartest Ass in SRF.

coz you didn't say what should be say

If there is no loophole in arguments, how could I argue?

Every forum needs a Devil's Advocate, especially one that can play both sides of the argument... even at the same time :-D

BuDo · **Joined:** Dec 2008 **Posts:** 4714 **Location:**

Would be nice if SRO was skilled oriented rather that level oriented...By that I mean it would be nice to grind only to level up your skills and not yourself. The more you use a particular skill the more experience and developed it gets. Your character being high leveled wouldn't mean a thing but rather how developed is it's skills.

Leveling up your character shouldn't be the issue. That should be easy..getting to level 100 should take like 1 month of casual play (2 weeks of hardcore playing). I feel thats how MMORPG should be designed. It makes more sense that way.

PR0METHEUS · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 4093 **Location:** Earth

BuDo wrote:

Would be nice if SRO was skilled oriented rather that level oriented...By that I mean it would be nice to grind only to level up your skills and not yourself. The more you use a particular skill the more experience and developed it gets. Your character being high leveled wouldn't mean a thing but rather how developed is it's skills.

Leveling up your character shouldn't be the issue. That should be easy..getting to level 100 should take like 1 month of casual play (2 weeks of hardcore playing). I feel thats how MMORPG should be designed. It makes more sense that way.

It makes sense. Character level could be seen more like the character's age, sort of. A 14 year old girl could kick the crap out of a 45 year old man if her skills are well developed.

There would have to be a way to ensure that people can't just bot their skill development. Put 2 of your bots in a secluded area PVPing each other with 3 skills you want to develop.

BuDo · **Joined:** Dec 2008 **Posts:** 4714 **Location:**

PR0METHEUS wrote:

BuDo wrote:

Would be nice if SRO was skilled oriented rather that level oriented...By that I mean it would be nice to grind only to level up your skills and not yourself. The more you use a particular skill the more experience and developed it gets. Your character being high leveled wouldn't mean a thing but rather how developed is it's skills.

Leveling up your character shouldn't be the issue. That should be easy..getting to level 100 should take like 1 month of casual play (2 weeks of hardcore playing). I feel thats how MMORPG should be designed. It makes more sense that way.

It makes sense. Character level could be seen more like the character's age, sort of. A 14 year old girl could kick the crap out of a 45 year old man if her skills are well developed.

There would have to be a way to ensure that people can't just bot their skill development. Put 2 of your bots in a secluded area PVPing each other with 3 skills you want to develop.

Yes true....Maybe your skills will get more developed while grinding mobs and gain little experience while pvping. PVPing indefinitely can get costly so I'm not sure someone would want to keep buying MP/HP pots for that.

One thing for sure you'd have a lot more people interacting with each other because they still can level up their skills from PVPing/Guild wars/Fort wars.

NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Wed Jan 06, 2010 7:31 am

Then you better play another game rather silkroad.
And it's not so hard for a bot programmer to make 2 chars or even 50 chars pvp farm each other.

Lempi · **Joined:** Oct 2008 **Posts:** 3203 **Location:** England

Dont care, Didnt read it.
Fixing the botting problem is not your job or problem so who the fuck cares. Play another game if you dont like it.

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