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 Post subject: lightning book for wiz
PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 5:01 am 
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should i get it or is it just a waste of sp?

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 Post subject: Re: lightning book for wiz
PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 5:15 am 
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Charged Squall is like one of your most important skills. So yeh... i would get it :P

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 Post subject: Re: lightning book for wiz
PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 5:26 am 
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if you are bard sub, is not needed, if you are cleric sub with some intention of pvping a must have, imo wiz are not pvp builds so eh.

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 Post subject: Re: lightning book for wiz
PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 6:20 am 
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TillTheEnd wrote:
if you are bard sub, is not needed, if you are cleric sub with some intention of pvping a must have, imo wiz are not pvp builds so eh.


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wizards not using LC and using tactics ARE for pvp

fire trap , charged squall , fear (, if pure str using snow shield then mana trap ) , earth shock, fire bolt (, if pure str then using earth barrier ) , click away, teleport, charged squall , ice lance , fire bolt .

this is how can a wizard fight without getting in any serious damage. ( of course against non-holy spell )

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 Post subject: Re: lightning book for wiz
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TillTheEnd wrote:
if you are bard sub, is not needed, if you are cleric sub with some intention of pvping a must have, imo wiz are not pvp builds so eh.


Bullshit, they are. You just have to play them right -- all you usually see is stupid people playing them, constantly using Life Turnover in a 1v1 and running to the safe zone. All those people do not know how to play their chars.

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 Post subject: Re: lightning book for wiz
PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 1:48 pm 
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Charged squall and Fear are great at Medusa.. charged is also good in pvp or anywhere you need to KB to survive.
teleport is <3 anywhere.. dunno about the Chain Lightning nuke, don't have it atm.. maybe later

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 Post subject: Re: lightning book for wiz
PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 2:46 pm 
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Rhe7oric wrote:
TillTheEnd wrote:
if you are bard sub, is not needed, if you are cleric sub with some intention of pvping a must have, imo wiz are not pvp builds so eh.


Bullshit, they are. You just have to play them right -- all you usually see is stupid people playing them, constantly using Life Turnover in a 1v1 and running to the safe zone. All those people do not know how to play their chars.

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please show me a lvl 100 wiz/cleric killing a lvl 100 bower/glavier/blader ect.when I talk about pvp is ALWAYS about cap players, that's how it is for me. I don't care about lvl. 98 or below, cuz they are missing the final tier, for all I know any1 below lvl 98 could be using npc or +3 sets cuz is not worth to pimp/buy any gear unless is the final tier.
another thing, if a wizard does use fear and the other player does not pill it off, it can only mean that is a nooby that can't afford purification pills and it can only mean that their set is crap.
I know many will disagree but that is my point of view.

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 Post subject: Re: lightning book for wiz
PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 3:04 pm 
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TillTheEnd wrote:
Rhe7oric wrote:
TillTheEnd wrote:
if you are bard sub, is not needed, if you are cleric sub with some intention of pvping a must have, imo wiz are not pvp builds so eh.


Bullshit, they are. You just have to play them right -- all you usually see is stupid people playing them, constantly using Life Turnover in a 1v1 and running to the safe zone. All those people do not know how to play their chars.

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please show me a lvl 100 wiz/cleric killing a lvl 100 bower/glavier/blader ect.when I talk about pvp is ALWAYS about cap players, that's how it is for me. I don't care about lvl. 98 or below, cuz they are missing the final tier, for all I know any1 below lvl 98 could be using npc or +3 sets cuz is not worth to pimp/buy any gear unless is the final tier.
another thing, if a wizard does use fear and the other player does not pill it off, it can only mean that is a nooby that can't afford purification pills and it can only mean that their set is crap.
I know many will disagree but that is my point of view.


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its 90 cap but w/e they have suns

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 Post subject: Re: lightning book for wiz
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omg worst fuckin wizard I've seen. Like OMG. LC'ing. Standing there 3 seconds after every skill doing NOTHING. I swear I felt pain watching that. A Great char gone to waste.


You're an idiot, tbh.
That wizard is actually pretty good, he wasn't "just standing there" he was getting immobilized from KBs etc. And you think a wizard is going to kill a STR in snowshield without life turnover at cap? Not happening.
He totally dominated that glavier in round 2.. fear, glavier pills it off -> combustion, bind, run away.. trap, comes near meteor then salamander blow, MP raped.. destroyed.
You've obviously never played a capped character at 80 or 90..
Wizard is one of the worst builds to play 1v1 PvP with, but that guy did pretty damn good with it.

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 Post subject: Re: lightning book for wiz
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ofy1993 wrote:
zShared wrote:
You're an idiot, tbh.
That wizard is actually pretty good, he wasn't "just standing there" he was getting immobilized from KBs etc. And you think a wizard is going to kill a STR in snowshield without life turnover at cap? Not happening.
He totally dominated that glavier in round 2.. fear, glavier pills it off -> combustion, bind, run away.. trap, comes near meteor then salamander blow, MP raped.. destroyed.
You've obviously never played a capped character at 80 or 90..
Wizard is one of the worst builds to play 1v1 PvP with, but that guy did pretty damn good with it.


again, wizard LC'ing. That is FUCKIN LOL. You're bullshit if you think a wizard should LC. He almost got 1 hit.

Also, I only watched the first two rounds. Was enough to show that he sucked.

He should fireball, KB, meteor, flamethrower, HC himself, group recovery repeat.

Don't you dare tell me Idk how to play a wizard.
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Also, it is true. He may not win against a bower at cap. you wanna know why?

Cause HE'S NOT MADE FOR 1 ON 1 PVP FOR A BUILD THATS MADE FOR PWNAGE ON 1 ON 1.

I hope your thick skull can understand that instead of calling me an idiot.

EDIT: lol sry didnt finish your comment. yea as u mentioned he's not for 1 on 1. So him not winning against the bow is perfectly ok but using LC just makes him an amateur.


You don't know how to play a Wizard. :]

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He should fireball, KB, meteor, flamethrower, HC himself, group recovery repeat.


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a bower can tank that.. without snowshield, easily. It'd just be him continually nuking while the bower KBs and strongbows waiting for a crit, then the wizard is dead.
He will never be able to kill a STR player, especially in snowshield, without LT (not LC, btw)
Sure he almost gets one hit.. keyword almost. Sometimes he will, other times he'll be able to kill the other player.

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 Post subject: Re: lightning book for wiz
PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 8:51 pm 
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Rhetoric, in your future PvP videos, show your health bar above your head.
I dont know is it just me, but I enjoy watching it like that much more.

(You did that against glavier at video you posted, its cool too see how fast you regen with healing cycle / recovery division.)

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 Post subject: Re: lightning book for wiz
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Yeah, I'm keeping that option turned on for future videos that I make. I forgot to turn it on before. For the record at Lv 93 (currently) I am packing 15.2k HP. For that PvP vid, at Lv 91 I had around 13k, and 92 about 14k HP.

My light armor chest and legs are +4 with full blues (STR 6, INT 6, HP 600 MP 600 and all that good stuff). The rest of my gear have decent blues but nothing spectacular. If my set was completely full blued, I'd more than likely have near 16 to 17k HP.

Honestly, the only Chinese characters I do have trouble with in PvPing is... you guessed it, bowers. Even with just 5 arrow combo, and the constant stuns and crits, I have trouble fighting them. More losses than wins but it does happen.

I can't wait until I'm 100 FF, then I'll prove that wizards are just as good pvp chars as any other build. The problem is that the majority of the people who play wizards have that concept of, "Oh, I'm going to die easily anyways, might as well turn on Life Turnover and kill as many people before I get killed in one shot by someone else," so they wind up sucking horribly in PvP. I hate players who have that kind of mentality, and unfortunately that concept applies to about a good 98% of the wizard population.

For that reason alone, it makes others believe that Wizards are no good at 1v1 PvP. Its a severely under-rated build in that area.

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