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 Post subject: Re: [Notice] New Bot Restriction System will apply (AGAIN?)
PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:16 am 
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trust me all of these things are new.. when i used to play.. no1 was able to do hacks.. btw
when i played.. GB had 50atk/def/heart MAX
now its 100 i just checked.. so i think alot things changed.. but before some time it was clean.
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i remembered .. some1 was using a hack or something.. dunno what its exactly. but its maybe a bug.. anyways, that bug/hack made him play as chaos mode all the rounds :x

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every kind of bot is released already.. how sad this is

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every kind of bot is released already.. how sad this is

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Rakion,Gunbound.. that i played before, it was almost IMPOSSIBLE to use any hacks or bots with it.. the gameguard auto closes the game.. or the hack program .. while joymax have it disabled


rakion and gunbound have hacks. aimbot on gunbound. and things like Always in that rage mode in rakion.
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Well, I think they should limit the clients to one IP.
Best way to stop bots ever.

this cant work.
i want to play. what if i wanted to play on my laptop too or my brother wanted to play?? we cant and we get banned? what?

o BTW reverse enginnering a program is not illegal. its only illegal if you sell it under another branded name
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so buy a prem ticket then no problem

and just... gtfo. this is a free game. it was promised by jm to be free. its a free game and its free. so if someone who is cheating can get in and i cant? then because i payed for the game by consumer rights i deserve to be treated in a better state :)

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@up ..yes.. they have hacks.. i just checked.. when i played there was none.. but tell now.. its RAREEEE.. not like isro.. every1 is botting.. :S

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Rakion,Gunbound.. that i played before, it was almost IMPOSSIBLE to use any hacks or bots with it.. the gameguard auto closes the game.. or the hack program .. while joymax have it disabled


rakion and gunbound have hacks. aimbot on gunbound. and things like Always in that rage mode in rakion.
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Well, I think they should limit the clients to one IP.
Best way to stop bots ever.

this cant work.
i want to play. what if i wanted to play on my laptop too or my brother wanted to play?? we cant and we get banned? what?

o BTW reverse enginnering a program is not illegal. its only illegal if you sell it under another branded name
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so buy a prem ticket then no problem

and just... gtfo. this is a free game. it was promised by jm to be free. its a free game and its free. so if someone who is cheating can get in and i cant? then because i payed for the game by consumer rights i deserve to be treated in a better state :)


Lol yes... i play with my two bros but at least gold bot companies would have to use proxies to connect to the server and that will end in gold bots with lag. ^^

And in fact, it's a free game but they've to pay to their staff.

I think it's impossible to find a way to stop gold farming... that's JM work and not ours.
I should concentrate in playing and have fun than a way to stop bots.

BTW, I've punched one of the gold bots yesterday... it feels so good. xD

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but knowing exactly what the program is doing and how it is doing it should help to create countermeasures shouldn't it?

... its doing exactly the same thing you or i do when we play the game. if you push the number you have assigned to a skill, it sends the info to cast said skill, as does the bot. if you click the resurrect in town button, it send the info to cause you to res in town, as does the bot. having that bot, is just like pushing the buttons yourself. the only time it becomes obvious to JM that someone is using a bot is when wrongful codes are sent.

bot prevention is about having a program like x trap or game guard operating on the client side to prevent 3rd party program usage, and active gm's and game dev team working against obvious signs of botting.

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Lol yes... i play with my two bros but at least gold bot companies would have to use proxies to connect to the server and that will end in gold bots with lag. ^^

they already use proxies, how do you think they have like 50 GB / server? there is no lag, nor would there ever be, because there is no client, only small amounts of info being sent back and forth. a decent cable connection would easily suffice.

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Joymax is doing that just for looks nice on GNGCW...


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there too stupid to realize that doing this stuff fails, it needs to be done server side not client side.

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20% of 500 players per server would make 100 legits in each server. I laugh. At least from how the it was months ago before I quit, and I doubt anything got better ;d.


Joymax isn't stupid, they don't care and just want you to think they do with these little charades. Really think any company that actually wanted to get rid of the bots on their game would fail this hard this long? lol




Anyway, last time I played gunbound it complete hacks lol, but that was quite a while ago, I even got banned, I joined a room and just left it there for a while and earned millions from the match starting then ending immediatly giving like 6k each time, got banned for a week then unbanned still having the gold and items lol.

But gunbound is a fun game ;d.

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dude i used to pwn at gunbound... was like wand with sick gears... and lost everything when they made a special server for brazil. ip banned cuz i didnt transfer. :p

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You guys are looking at this the wrong way, or perhaps the naive way... Joymax probably RUNS a good chunk of the goldbots. It's easy money, and it's self fulfilling... I'll explain. Gold bots obtain gold to sell for real money ($$$$ for Joymax), gold bots piss off real players by filling servers so that they feel the need to buy premiums ($$$ for Joymax), inflation causes price spikes in goods in stall network so that players get pissed off and buy gold from gold-farmers ($$$$ for Joymax). The fact that people bot their own characters is just a side effect.

Joymax is the biggest gold-botting company of all.

Shout-out to all the legit SRO players.

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Well, I think they should limit the clients to one IP.
Best way to stop bots ever.


What about places where more than one person wants to play SRO at the same time? Internet cafes, homes with more than one computer...

Limiting to one client per IP would prevent me and my wife from playing together.

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there is no point in limit it to one per IP, they will just use a proxy

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im not saying it would stop it directly but knowing exactly what the program is doing and how it is doing it should help to create countermeasures shouldn't it?


The short answer is no.

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You guys are looking at this the wrong way, or perhaps the naive way... Joymax probably RUNS a good chunk of the goldbots. It's easy money, and it's self fulfilling... I'll explain. Gold bots obtain gold to sell for real money ($$$$ for Joymax), gold bots piss off real players by filling servers so that they feel the need to buy premiums ($$$ for Joymax), inflation causes price spikes in goods in stall network so that players get pissed off and buy gold from gold-farmers ($$$$ for Joymax). The fact that people bot their own characters is just a side effect.

Joymax is the biggest gold-botting company of all.

Shout-out to all the legit SRO players.


why would joymax need to make gold bots? they can make the gold themselves.....they just fill the server with adfaefasdf that sit in cons all day.

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You guys are looking at this the wrong way, or perhaps the naive way... Joymax probably RUNS a good chunk of the goldbots. It's easy money, and it's self fulfilling... I'll explain. Gold bots obtain gold to sell for real money ($$$$ for Joymax), gold bots piss off real players by filling servers so that they feel the need to buy premiums ($$$ for Joymax), inflation causes price spikes in goods in stall network so that players get pissed off and buy gold from gold-farmers ($$$$ for Joymax). The fact that people bot their own characters is just a side effect.

Joymax is the biggest gold-botting company of all.

Shout-out to all the legit SRO players.


why would joymax need to make gold bots? they can make the gold themselves.....they just fill the server with adfaefasdf that sit in cons all day.



No, the real question is why would Joymax Make any form of bot when they already have an "auto-hunt" function integrated into the game.

They could easily charge people for botting ,buying gold, and make a ton of money without sacrificing potential paying customers. They could easily make 3 times the amount that they are making now.

The shit is way too easy to solve and I can go ahead and assume Joymax just has a pair of dumbfucks running a group of non programmers. Only designers would do things this dumb. Trust me, I know since I'm a programmer. :banghead:

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No, the real question is why would Joymax Make any form of bot when they already have an "auto-hunt" function integrated into the game.

They could easily charge people for botting ,buying gold, and make a ton of money without sacrificing potential paying customers. They could easily make 3 times the amount that they are making now.

The shit is way too easy to solve and I can go ahead and assume Joymax just has a pair of dumbfucks running a group of non programmers. Only designers would do things this dumb. Trust me, I know since I'm a programmer. :banghead:


I'm also a programmer see the thing is joymax is getting a lot of money for doing nothing...... think about it a lot spend $30(give or take) a month to buy a premium and grab pet and stuff. lets say about 200 people per server spends $30 a month so there is 37 servers. 37 * 200 = 7400 * 30 = 222,000 and this does not include magic pop.

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No, the real question is why would Joymax Make any form of bot when they already have an "auto-hunt" function integrated into the game.

They could easily charge people for botting ,buying gold, and make a ton of money without sacrificing potential paying customers. They could easily make 3 times the amount that they are making now.

The shit is way too easy to solve and I can go ahead and assume Joymax just has a pair of dumbfucks running a group of non programmers. Only designers would do things this dumb. Trust me, I know since I'm a programmer. :banghead:


I'm also a programmer see the thing is joymax is getting a lot of money for doing nothing...... think about it a lot spend $30(give or take) a month to buy a premium and grab pet and stuff. lets say about 200 people per server spends $30 a month so there is 37 servers. 37 * 200 = 7400 * 30 = 222,000 and this does not include magic pop.


But this is the thing, I highly doubt that at least 200 people per server. And the cost of a server would not be paid from the lack of customers coming from Isro.

Honestly, the only reason Silkroad even still exists is because of the other companies such as Unalis, GameOn and so forth that are paying for contract agreements with Joymax to keep updates and other additions coming.

It is only common sense that over time Joymax is losing more money than it is gaining with steady declines of new customers. Hell, I doubt Joymax gains, let alone keeps new Isro customers.

Bad management, that is all it boils down to.

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HawaiianMix wrote:
Amarisa wrote:
aldric wrote:
You guys are looking at this the wrong way, or perhaps the naive way... Joymax probably RUNS a good chunk of the goldbots. It's easy money, and it's self fulfilling... I'll explain. Gold bots obtain gold to sell for real money ($$$$ for Joymax), gold bots piss off real players by filling servers so that they feel the need to buy premiums ($$$ for Joymax), inflation causes price spikes in goods in stall network so that players get pissed off and buy gold from gold-farmers ($$$$ for Joymax). The fact that people bot their own characters is just a side effect.

Joymax is the biggest gold-botting company of all.

Shout-out to all the legit SRO players.


why would joymax need to make gold bots? they can make the gold themselves.....they just fill the server with adfaefasdf that sit in cons all day.



No, the real question is why would Joymax Make any form of bot when they already have an "auto-hunt" function integrated into the game.

They could easily charge people for botting ,buying gold, and make a ton of money without sacrificing potential paying customers. They could easily make 3 times the amount that they are making now.

The shit is way too easy to solve and I can go ahead and assume Joymax just has a pair of dumbfucks running a group of non programmers. Only designers would do things this dumb. Trust me, I know since I'm a programmer. :banghead:


Do we hve an auto-hunt feature??

that charging thing is a bad idea actually i mean lets face it SRO is FILLED with lazy ass ppl who bot to cap buy sun+5 gear and go kill off some low lvl ppl or decent ppl who havnt paid so hve worse chances etc etc(oh and leave the bot to hunt down and kill off uniques like 1000 times to show off on rev6)
If JM actually legalised botting even with some minor restrictions like payment or watever the game would literally die in 24 hrs.

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well.. i hate that long posts ... cant read it all :(
btw.. the auto-SELECT (not hunt) existed before alot time.. in old medias of JM.

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Amarisa wrote:
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I know since I'm a programmer. :banghead:


I'm also a programmer


I'm not just a programmer, I'm a Software Engineer! :twisted: :D

Technically a Computer Scientist. *flexes computer knowledge muscles*

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well.. i hate that long posts ... cant read it all :(
btw.. the auto-SELECT (not hunt) existed before alot time.. in old medias of JM.


It seems if the auto-select feature works, you could set an attack skill onto your HP auto pot setting, and set your HP slider up to 90% or something. Then whenever you're near a mob, you'll auto-select it. As soon as it hits you, you'll attack it because your HP will drop.

Put your character out at mobs you can 1 or 2 hit, and you're basically espering a la Jade Dynasty. :-D You just wouldn't have any auto HP potting.

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I know since I'm a programmer. :banghead:


I'm also a programmer


I'm not just a programmer, I'm a Software Engineer! :twisted: :D

Technically a Computer Scientist. *flexes computer knowledge muscles*

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well.. i hate that long posts ... cant read it all :(
btw.. the auto-SELECT (not hunt) existed before alot time.. in old medias of JM.


It seems if the auto-select feature works, you could set an attack skill onto your HP auto pot setting, and set your HP slider up to 90% or something. Then whenever you're near a mob, you'll auto-select it. As soon as it hits you, you'll attack it because your HP will drop.

Put your character out at mobs you can 1 or 2 hit, and you're basically espering a la Jade Dynasty. :-D You just wouldn't have any auto HP potting.

noo.. that auto-select .. SELECT MOBS.. u can make the key presser click 1(imbue) 2 attack 3 attack.. gratz u are botting..lol

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noo.. that auto-select .. SELECT MOBS.. u can make the key presser click 1(imbue) 2 attack 3 attack.. gratz u are botting..lol


umm i really dont get it...

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It seems if the auto-select feature works, you could set an attack skill onto your HP auto pot setting, and set your HP slider up to 90% or something. Then whenever you're near a mob, you'll auto-select it. As soon as it hits you, you'll attack it because your HP will drop.

Put your character out at mobs you can 1 or 2 hit, and you're basically espering a la Jade Dynasty. :-D You just wouldn't have any auto HP potting.


noo.. that auto-select .. SELECT MOBS.. u can make the key presser click 1(imbue) 2 attack 3 attack.. gratz u are botting..lol


I realize it's auto-select. I assumed that auto-select was a toggle feature similar to walk/run. Click once, and you're walking. Click again and you're running. Click auto-select to turn it on, click again to turn off.

If auto-select only works once and you have to click it each time for each mob, then yeah... my idea won't work... Unless you are 'espering' at mobs that give you a status effect like burn. Then you could put auto-select in your HP slot, and an attack skill in your universal pill slot. You get hit, you select. You get a status, you attack.

I'd rather hand grind anyway.

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u can just

click auto select thing
it will auto select any monster near u.. and with a key presser u can make it
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it will auto select then attack using skills..

guys dont try its no more there.. xD

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