@Lady_Shadows Are you saying all that because you are just jealous because you can not get cold with your build or is it just my impression? Because seriously,
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Lady_Shadows wrote:
lol i mean sure ice is VERY effective in pvp but its also annoying as hell i tend to respect the player and not spam kd or use ice.
Honestly, that is serious bullshit. I won't even counter-argue. It honestly seems to me that you didn't know what to say, so you threw that away. By the way, I don't actually mean to be offensive, I just didn't know any other way to say this, I sincerely hope you don't get it the wrong way.
And as I've said, you wont actually lose damage from not going with fire imbue, so not being able to kill is not a reasonable argument at all against the build I suggested wolfy to.
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@Lady_Shadows Are you saying all that because you are just jealous because you can not get cold with your build or is it just my impression? Because seriously,
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Lady_Shadows wrote:
lol i mean sure ice is VERY effective in pvp but its also annoying as hell i tend to respect the player and not spam kd or use ice.
Honestly, that is serious bullshit. I won't even counter-argue. It honestly seems to me that you didn't know what to say, so you threw that away. By the way, I don't actually mean to be offensive, I just didn't know any other way to say this, I sincerely hope you don't get it the wrong way.
And as I've said, you wont actually lose damage from not going with fire imbue, so not being able to kill is not a reasonable argument at all against the build I suggested wolfy to.
i love how you fight for me to get the right build lol <3
@Lady_Shadows Are you saying all that because you are just jealous because you can not get cold with your build or is it just my impression? Because seriously,
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Lady_Shadows wrote:
lol i mean sure ice is VERY effective in pvp but its also annoying as hell i tend to respect the player and not spam kd or use ice.
Honestly, that is serious bullshit. I won't even counter-argue. It honestly seems to me that you didn't know what to say, so you threw that away. By the way, I don't actually mean to be offensive, I just didn't know any other way to say this, I sincerely hope you don't get it the wrong way.
And as I've said, you wont actually lose damage from not going with fire imbue, so not being able to kill is not a reasonable argument at all against the build I suggested wolfy to.
haha me jealous because i "cant" have ice in my build i can easily swap out glavie for it. yes i said its effective whats wrong with that? i don't like using ice because 1 i think an ice bladder is a fail 2 it would take to long to actually kill someone i mean sure being pure strength your imbune doesn't matter BUT fire has burn and thats a dot = more damage 3 you don't really need physical defense freeze will just be helpful. besides what does my build have to do with anything? i'm telling him my opinion is there something wrong with that?
haha me jealous because i "cant" have ice in my build i can easily swap out glavie for it. First of all, cold =/= heuksal in many aspects. But yeah, the heuksal HP passive is useful, but I wasn't saying it wasn't, at all. I was just kidding about the jealous thing. Don't take it personally.
yes i said its effective whats wrong with that? Please, read what you wrote: "lol i mean sure ice is VERY effective in pvp but its also annoying as hell i tend to respect the player and not spam kd or use ice." This is what I meant to call bullshit. It seemed like some argument you tried to use for not taking cold.
i don't like using ice because 1 i think an ice bladder is a fail I beg to differ, for so many reasons I won't even start. Read what I talked to wolfy at the beginning of this thread and you'll probably understand. This "cold blader is fail" idea is one more serious bullshit. Can you further support this idea of "cold blader is fail" so I can know what you were thinking when saying that?
2 it would take to long to actually kill someone i mean sure being pure strength your imbune doesn't matter BUT fire has burn and thats a dot = more damage Freeze/frostbiting will make surviving a LOT (!) easier if your enemy is not immune. If it is immune, you'll be fighting nearly exactly as if you were using a fire imbue. Fire's DoT doesn't even count, it's damage is extremely little and most of the people use universal pills, rendering the DoT completely useless.
3 you don't really need physical defense freeze will just be helpful. You don't lack physical defense as a pure STR. Who said it doesn't help? It does, and a lot, even more in this case with maxed cold. Yes, freezing/frostbiting will definitely be helpful.
besides what does my build have to do with anything? i'm telling him my opinion is there something wrong with that? Again, that part of you being jealous was just a "joke", which now I think was misplaced, shouldn't have posted it. Nevertheless, I wasn't criticizing your build in any way. Yes, there's something wrong with your reply, it's what I disagreed above, that's why I replied. Is there something wrong with disagreeing? (this sounded kinda confusing )
Burningwolf wrote:
i love how you fight for me to get the right build lol <3
I u and I arguing.
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Please, read what you wrote: "lol i mean sure ice is VERY effective in pvp but its also annoying as hell i tend to respect the player and not spam kd or use ice." This is what I meant to call bullshit. It seemed like some argument you tried to use for not taking cold.
never said he shouldn't and never said he should go ice just stating a reason why i dont use it....
I beg to differ, for so many reasons I won't even start. Read what I talked to wolfy at the beginning of this thread and you'll probably understand. This "cold blader is fail" idea is one more serious bullshit. Can you further support this idea of "cold blader is fail" so I can know what you were thinking when saying that?
sorry for having an opinion?
Freeze/frostbiting will make surviving a LOT (!) easier if your enemy is not immune. If it is immune, you'll be fighting nearly exactly as if you were using a fire imbue. Fire's DoT doesn't even count, it's damage is extremely little and most of the people use universal pills, rendering the DoT completely useless.
yes but the dot still helps
You don't lack physical defense as a pure STR. Who said it doesn't help? It does, and a lot, even more in this case with maxed cold. Yes, freezing/frostbiting will definitely be helpful.
yes but do you really need it? you would need magical defense buff more then physical
@Lady_Shadows Sorry lady but I thought you were arguing, I, from my point of view, believe you should have facts to support your opinion, and what we do on forums is discussing our opinions, sorry if you don't want to. In fact Burningwolf answered to your first reply here, and you somewhat counter-argued against his, and you are now somewhat counter arguing against mine replies, but whatever.
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Lady_Shadows wrote:
never said he shouldn't and never said he should go ice just stating a reason why i dont use it.... And I argued against your opinion. What's wrong with that? For me you are wrong, and I'm trying to argue that, to see if in fact you are or not wrong. My most sincere sorry if you didn't want to debate at first when you posted.
sorry for having an opinion? Well, as I said above, your opinion is wrong for me, so I'm trying to help you with that. If you don't want that just say it.
yes but the dot still helps No it doesn't. Not in this case.
yes but do you really need it? you would need magical defense buff more then physical As I've said, you do not need it, because you don't lack it. The build I suggested to wolfy is 90bicheon/90cold/70fire/50light, which is a cold blader. It has good magical defense and a lot of physical defense. Again, you don't lack physical defense, but it helps a lot. As long as you have it's 'main need' supplied (in this case as a STR, it's magical defense) what's wrong with getting physical defense (and in this case, a lot of it)?
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I took the freedom to compare for you a 90bicheon/90fire/70cold/50light and a 90bicheon/90cold/70fire/50light.
Main differences between these builds:
90bicheon/90fire/70cold/50light
Gets a total of approx. 120 physical defense from cold;
Total of 104 magical defense from fire;
Total of 16% extra physical damage.
Burning from fire imbue.
90bicheon/90cold/70fire/50light
264 extra physical defense from cold;
91 magical defense from fire;
Total of 14% extra physical damage;
Freezing/frostbiting from cold imbue.
As we are talking about a pure STR build, the difference in damage between both imbues would be negligible.
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never said i didn't want to argue but really its pointless. i think ice is not good for bladers because i just dont with me being a blader myself (even if hybrid) i dont see how ice would work even if you can freeze everyone.
never said i didn't want to argue but really its pointless. i think ice is not good for bladers because i just dont with me being a blader myself (even if hybrid) i dont see how ice would work even if you can freeze everyone.
Okay, I was about to do it again, but I'll leave it at that.
But!, as you do not want to argue with me , I'll leave it to wolfy, he will prove you wrong, the hardest way, with his cold blader. I hope. <3
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never said i didn't want to argue but really its pointless. i think ice is not good for bladers because i just dont with me being a blader myself (even if hybrid) i dont see how ice would work even if you can freeze everyone.
Okay, I was about to do it again, but I'll leave it at that.
But!, as you do not want to argue with me , I'll leave it to wolfy, he will prove you wrong, the hardest way, with his cold blader. I hope. <3
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Cold = Pathetic, I'm sorry. If it is anything other than a sub mastery (i.e. You have another imbue which you use over Cold) it isn't worth it not for an STR build at least.
Cold = Pathetic, I'm sorry. If it is anything other than a sub mastery (i.e. You have another imbue which you use over Cold) it isn't worth it not for an STR build at least.
Read this:
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raphaell666 wrote:
I took the freedom to compare for you a 90bicheon/90fire/70cold/50light and a 90bicheon/90cold/70fire/50light.
Main differences between these builds:
90bicheon/90fire/70cold/50light
Gets a total of approx. 120 physical defense from cold;
Total of 104 magical defense from fire;
Total of 16% extra physical damage.
Burning from fire imbue.
90bicheon/90cold/70fire/50light
264 extra physical defense from cold;
91 magical defense from fire;
Total of 14% extra physical damage;
Freezing/frostbiting from cold imbue.
As we are talking about a pure STR build, the difference in damage between both imbues would be negligible.
And reply again saying that "If it is anything other than a sub mastery (i.e. You have another imbue which you use over Cold) it isn't worth it not for an STR build at least." In fact, I say cold is better used as a main for a Pure STR over any other build, because of the imbue.
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Cold = Pathetic, I'm sorry. If it is anything other than a sub mastery (i.e. You have another imbue which you use over Cold) it isn't worth it not for an STR build at least.
Read this:
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raphaell666 wrote:
I took the freedom to compare for you a 90bicheon/90fire/70cold/50light and a 90bicheon/90cold/70fire/50light.
Main differences between these builds:
90bicheon/90fire/70cold/50light
Gets a total of approx. 120 physical defense from cold;
Total of 104 magical defense from fire;
Total of 16% extra physical damage.
Burning from fire imbue.
90bicheon/90cold/70fire/50light
264 extra physical defense from cold;
91 magical defense from fire;
Total of 14% extra physical damage;
Freezing/frostbiting from cold imbue.
As we are talking about a pure STR build, the difference in damage between both imbues would be negligible.
And reply again saying that "If it is anything other than a sub mastery (i.e. You have another imbue which you use over Cold) it isn't worth it not for an STR build at least." In fact, I say cold is better used as a main for a Pure STR over any other build, because of the imbue.
meh the question is Is ice really a nice way to pvp? annoy the shit out of your opponent?
meh the question is Is ice really a nice way to pvp? annoy the shit out of your opponent? the answer is yes, fck yo couch *****, get immune
Absolutely. And, in addition to the cold imbue, you also get a shitload of physical defense, while losing pretty much nothing. Who sanely wouldn't like that?
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me........ok if you get light you get a debuff with fire you get a dot.
from my fire use the dot DOES do something i have killed people from that dot. there hp was so low that the dot added 200+ dmg to kill them. iv even had fire kill me (i was getting ganked by 2 my lvl so shhh and my gear is close to npc) bladers attack so fast that by the time they pill the first burn status they have it again there for giving ANOTHER dot and burn hurts you the second its on you.
light you get a debuff that decreases parry so they take more damage and such
ice hmm all you get is frostbite that is also a dot BUT weaker then its fire counterpart ice also has freeze or what ever freezes the person and disrupts there attacks. this how ever can be a good/bad thing.
me........ok if you get light you get a debuff with fire you get a dot.
from my fire use the dot DOES do something i have killed people from that dot. there hp was so low that the dot added 200+ dmg to kill them. iv even had fire kill me (i was getting ganked by 2 my lvl so shhh and my gear is close to npc) bladers attack so fast that by the time they pill the first burn status they have it again there for giving ANOTHER dot and burn hurts you the second its on you.
light you get a debuff that decreases parry so they take more damage and such
ice hmm all you get is frostbite that is also a dot BUT weaker then its fire counterpart ice also has freeze or what ever freezes the person and disrupts there attacks. this how ever can be a good/bad thing.
me........ok if you get light you get a debuff with fire you get a dot. Not really, the debuff from lightning is completely negligible, as well as fire's DoT.
from my fire use the dot DOES do something i have killed people from that dot. there hp was so low that the dot added 200+ dmg to kill them. Lower level people or something? It's damage is extremely low, if they were to die from the fire DoT, they would as well die from your next hit. And they probably weren't using pills, where they should.
iv even had fire kill me (i was getting ganked by 2 my lvl so shhh and my gear is close to npc) Same as above. bladers attack so fast that by the time they pill the first burn status they have it again there for giving ANOTHER dot and burn hurts you the second its on you. Yes, though it deals extremely little damage, and it's only 25% chance of working, it's very inconsistent (will not work at most of your hits), and it in the end will change pretty much nothing.
light you get a debuff that decreases parry so they take more damage and such Lightning's shock effect (from the imbue) is completely utterly negligible. Changes absolutely nothing in a 1vs1 pvp situation.
ice hmm all you get is frostbite that is also a dot BUT weaker then its fire counterpart ice also has freeze or what ever freezes the person and disrupts there attacks. this how ever can be a good/bad thing. I'm almost 100% sure it definitely does not deal damage over time. And cold's frostbite effect is WAY better than the fire's DoT (which deals extremely low damage and changes basically nothing on real pvp), or lightning's shock effect (which changes nearly nothing at all in a 1vs1 pvp fight). And if you consider using universal pills, fire's DoT and lightning's shock would be even further ridiculously useless, while the frostbite/freezing will still be very useful, and notice that the frostbite slows down the whole skill it catches, even if you pill it off, you'll only actually 'unfrozen' once you finish the skill during which you were frostbitten, and chances are, as a blader hits very rapidly, that you'll possibly have another frostbite then. Not to mention freezing completely stops and cancels whatever your enemy was doing.
honestly its all about your playing style Not really, in this case no. 90bicheon/90cold/70fire/50light > 90bicheon/90fire/70cold/50light for all the points stated in this thread. But nothing stops anyone from doing whatever they want.
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By the way, I don't actually mean to be offensive, I just didn't know any other way to say this, I sincerely hope you don't get it the wrong way. 
