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raphaell666
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Post subject: Re: ECSRO Blader Build Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 1:50 am |
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Burningwolf wrote: in the EDIT 2 comment 700 dmg dif from 5700 to 6400 thats a +12% thats a shit load... Still trying to find whats better ice or fire lol, been to lazy to compare dmg I wouldn't expect you to read all that, but: Nitro wrote: Poison fire force lv.9 hitted 5700 on that spider once ... same as max of lv.9 first imbue ... 6400 is hardest I could get. Those screenshots were the biggest difference he had between the first fire imbue and the maxed fire imbue. And scroll down a little bit on this topic and you'll find he testing it on mobs near his level. Very small difference if you consider he is comparing the first imbue with the last one. And check those screenshots at Bobby's reply here. That's between the first ice imbue and the last fire imbue.
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Burningwolf
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Post subject: Re: ECSRO Blader Build Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 1:56 am |
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I just dont know it makes sense as when your pvp'ing your opponent will have better defence so the dmg is gonna be less. But 1K dmg dif... thats like almost a 10% and did that guy have the same lv. of ice and fire? not imbue but the mastery itself. (I will fight for me fire >:3 FIRE>ICE)
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Post subject: Re: ECSRO Blader Build Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:01 am |
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Burningwolf wrote: I just dont know it makes sense as when your pvp'ing your opponent will have better defence so the dmg is gonna be less. But 1K dmg dif... thats like almost a 10% and did that guy have the same lv. of ice and fire? not imbue but the mastery itself. (I will fight for me fire >:3 FIRE>ICE) Where exactly do you see 10% difference? Don't forget the damage varies by itself, and both tested on lower level mobs where the damage tends to vary more. And, on Bobby's reply, it looks like to me that that guy had only 20 cold, and he was hitting pretty much the same with both imbues at lower level mobs, lol.
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Burningwolf
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Post subject: Re: ECSRO Blader Build Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:08 am |
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raphaell666 wrote: Burningwolf wrote: I just dont know it makes sense as when your pvp'ing your opponent will have better defence so the dmg is gonna be less. But 1K dmg dif... thats like almost a 10% and did that guy have the same lv. of ice and fire? not imbue but the mastery itself. (I will fight for me fire >:3 FIRE>ICE) Where exactly do you see 10% difference? Don't forget the damage varies by itself, and both tested on lower level mobs where the damage tends to vary more. And, on Bobby's reply, it looks like to me that that guy had only 20 cold, and he was hitting pretty much the same with both imbues at lower level mobs, lol. ... You sir is a worthy adversary... ... kk lets change it a little Whats the best thiefing pvp blader build? still think its 90bich/90ice/70fire/50light? or maybe 90bich/90fire/60pach/light (oh yeh) with 60 pach i get a 54 AR increase instead of 47 lol and i gain extra grass and phantom lol (zuhahaha wut now bish? how you like this new build zuhahaha)
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Post subject: Re: ECSRO Blader Build Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:17 am |
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Burningwolf wrote: ... You sir is a worthy adversary... ...
kk lets change it a little Whats the best thiefing pvp blader build? still think its 90bich/90ice/70fire/50light? or maybe 90bich/90fire/60pach/light (oh yeh) with 60 pach i get a 54 AR increase instead of 47 lol and i gain extra grass and phantom lol (zuhahaha wut now bish? how you like this new build zuhahaha Well, if you think that sacrificing 264 physical defense, cold wall and freezing/frosbiting skills for 5% more moving speed and 3m of grass walk, therefore losing a great amount of tank ability for a minuscule despicable increase in speed/mobility, then yeah, you win. LOL By the way, neither attack rating nor parry ratio changes pretty much nothing whatsoever in a pvp fight. An easy way to test this is: get shock (from lightning imbue) on your enemy. Shock status reduces your enemy's parry ratio by HALF. Yes, by half. It'd be nearly the same as increasing your attack rating by the same amount of parry ratio your enemy lost, if I'm not mistaken. Do you notice a difference in damage after shock status? I don't. I love pwning wolfie's ass. :3
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Post subject: Re: ECSRO Blader Build Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:23 am |
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raphaell666 wrote: Burningwolf wrote: ... You sir is a worthy adversary... ...
kk lets change it a little Whats the best thiefing pvp blader build? still think its 90bich/90ice/70fire/50light? or maybe 90bich/90fire/60pach/light (oh yeh) with 60 pach i get a 54 AR increase instead of 47 lol and i gain extra grass and phantom lol (zuhahaha wut now bish? how you like this new build zuhahaha Well, if you think that sacrificing 264 physical defense, cold wall and freezing/frosbiting skills for 5% more moving speed and 3m of grass walk, therefore losing a great amount of tank ability for a minuscule despicable increase in speed/mobility, then yeah, you win. LOL By the way, neither attack rating nor parry ratio changes pretty much nothing whatsoever in a pvp fight. An easy way to test this is: get shock (from lightning imbue) on your enemy. Shock status reduces your enemy's parry ratio by HALF. Yes, by half. It'd be nearly the same as increasing your attack rating by the same amount of parry ratio your enemy lost, if I'm not mistaken. Do you notice a difference in damage after shock status? I don't. I love pwning wolfie's ass. :3 well played... i still think my build can own after im done capping my 90bich/ice 70 fire 50 light im gonna do another blader with that AR lol ^killed my whole pach theory completely...
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Post subject: Re: ECSRO Blader Build Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:32 am |
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Burningwolf wrote: well played... i still think my build can own after im done capping my 90bich/ice 70 fire 50 light im gonna do another blader with that AR lol
Hm, the damage of a blader already is pretty low, AR makes you hit more frequently towards the high end of your damage, it'd help more if it was a build who dealt a huge amount of damage, as a variation in % would significantly decrease your overall damage, but in the case of a blader... nah, I don't think so. Feel free to try it nevertheless. 
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Burningwolf
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Post subject: Re: ECSRO Blader Build Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:33 am |
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raphaell666 wrote: Burningwolf wrote: well played... i still think my build can own after im done capping my 90bich/ice 70 fire 50 light im gonna do another blader with that AR lol
Hm, the damage of a blader already is pretty low, AR makes you hit more frequently towards the high end of your damage, it'd help more if it was a build who dealt a huge amount of damage, as a variation in % would significantly decrease your overall damage, but in the case of a blader... nah, I don't think so. Feel free to try it nevertheless.  that idea is dead ^check the spoiler
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Post subject: Re: ECSRO Blader Build Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:36 am |
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Burningwolf wrote: that idea is dead ^check the spoiler That spoiler pretty much says what I tried to say in my last reply. ^_^ Did you make it or found it or what? :O
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Post subject: Re: ECSRO Blader Build Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 3:14 am |
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1st: I swear it me a good 3 minutes to figure out that it was raphaell666 who was responding in the first 5 posts. I'm not used to the new sig and avy 2'd: Wolfy newb go with Ice. It's sexier then fire and it'll be impossible to kill you. Then again, your a newb. So who knows? 
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raphaell666
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Post subject: Re: ECSRO Blader Build Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 3:17 am |
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Hai Tasdik, what do you think about my new sig and avy? And I agree, wolfy is a newb after all, we can't really predict if it'll or not work with him.
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Alkali
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Post subject: Re: ECSRO Blader Build Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:32 pm |
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[/quote] A considerable quantity of skills get past 70, no new skills books appear after 70, but the existing ones can still be leveled. So, this makes your whole reply invalid.[/quote] You mean i can still level my skills from lvl70 (those that i already have)? Omg.. If yes ill have to farm a ton of sp more lol 
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Post subject: Re: ECSRO Blader Build Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:34 pm |
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Not Responding wrote: You mean i can still level my skills from lvl70 (those that i already have)? Omg.. If yes ill have to farm a ton of sp more lol  Yup. ^_^ Few skill books of 70 cap go past 70 nevertheless. You shouldn't worry.
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Burningwolf
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Post subject: Re: ECSRO Blader Build Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 8:24 pm |
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raphaell666 wrote: Hai Tasdik, what do you think about my new sig and avy? And I agree, wolfy is a newb after all, we can't really predict if it'll or not work with him. elfen lied avvy = sexy deathnote sig = is just wow I R NOT NEWB >:(
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Post subject: Re: ECSRO Blader Build Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 8:39 pm |
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Burningwolf wrote: elfen lied avvy = sexy deathnote sig = is just wow me <3 u jealous newb. Burningwolf wrote: I R NOT NEWB >:( Get ur bladah to 90 wif cold imbue NAO, me wants to see it in 1337 actionz.
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Post subject: Re: ECSRO Blader Build Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:07 pm |
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raphaell666 wrote: Burningwolf wrote: elfen lied avvy = sexy deathnote sig = is just wow me <3 u jealous newb. Burningwolf wrote: I R NOT NEWB >:( Get ur bladah to 90 wif cold imbue NAO, me wants to see it in 1337 actionz. meh elfen lied avvy is sexy i like mine better though just a peaceful smile your deathnote sig... >:( i want a deathnote sig so badly T__T
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Post subject: Re: ECSRO Blader Build Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:48 pm |
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Burningwolf wrote: i like mine better though just a peaceful smile Gay.
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Post subject: Re: ECSRO Blader Build Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:37 pm |
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raphaell666 wrote: Burningwolf wrote: i like mine better though just a peaceful smile Gay. it fcking sexy gah grinding is becoming so damn harder each time i lv. up 
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Post subject: Re: ECSRO Blader Build Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:49 pm |
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Wait, Wolfy don't you already have an Ice blader? I'm pretty sure you do. And so is my foot since it kicked your butt a few times.
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Post subject: Re: ECSRO Blader Build Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:57 pm |
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Tasdik wrote: Wait, Wolfy don't you already have an Ice blader? I'm pretty sure you do. And so is my foot since it kicked your butt a few times. atm im lv.68 bich/fire/ice and 60 light gonna dlvl. light when im around lv.80
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Post subject: Re: ECSRO Blader Build Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:10 am |
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Tasdik wrote: Wait, Wolfy don't you already have an Ice blader? I'm pretty sure you do. And so is my foot since it kicked your butt a few times. The newbie changed his mind and changed to fire blader, and it seems like he was gonna go with fire blader to cap. I didn't let him though. See, I have power over wolfy.
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Post subject: Re: ECSRO Blader Build Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 1:28 am |
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raphaell666 wrote: Tasdik wrote: Wait, Wolfy don't you already have an Ice blader? I'm pretty sure you do. And so is my foot since it kicked your butt a few times. The newbie changed his mind and changed to fire blader, and it seems like he was gonna go with fire blader to cap. I didn't let him though. See, I have power over wolfy. i blame the deathnote -.- and i have 22 levels before the cap you never know wuts gonna happen ;d
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Post subject: Re: ECSRO Blader Build Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 2:39 am |
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because he saw me in action XD lol i mean sure ice is VERY effective in pvp but its also annoying as hell i tend to respect the player and not spam kd or use ice. honestly i think fire is a better way to go because you can already tank so why do you need more tanking?
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Post subject: Re: ECSRO Blader Build Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 2:53 am |
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Lady_Shadows wrote: because he saw me in action XD lol i mean sure ice is VERY effective in pvp but its also annoying as hell i tend to respect the player and not spam kd or use ice. honestly i think fire is a better way to go because you can already tank so why do you need more tanking? ive been thinking bout pacheon before i fought you lol ice = tank more lol? you can never not tank enough
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Post subject: Re: ECSRO Blader Build Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 2:55 am |
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Lady uses pacheon? Is she a dual weide or something?
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Post subject: Re: ECSRO Blader Build Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 2:58 am |
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Tasdik wrote: Lady uses pacheon? Is she a dual weide or something? lady uses Glaive she dual build hybrid blader Glaive for the passive she might lv. up some glaive skills too
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Post subject: Re: ECSRO Blader Build Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 3:00 am |
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Wolf, you asked for advice and gave advice to yourself. -_- I think you got an answer. 
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Post subject: Re: ECSRO Blader Build Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 3:01 am |
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Ooh when did this happen? Lol I thought she was a hybrid str blader. Guess she decided to mix things up a little bit more. Haha 
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Post subject: Re: ECSRO Blader Build Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 3:02 am |
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Tasdik wrote: Ooh when did this happen? Lol I thought she was a hybrid str blader. Guess she decided to mix things up a little bit more. Haha  i think she 90bich/90fire/90gliave/30 light Kirkaldi wrote: Wolf, you asked for advice and gave advice to yourself. -_- I think you got an answer.  i did get mmy answer? lol
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Post subject: Re: ECSRO Blader Build Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 7:30 am |
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Burningwolf wrote: ice = tank more lol? you can never not tank enough ice freezes people no? it cancels attacks a lot of times too. sure you can you can tank so much you don't do enough damage to kill them. thats the the problem i'm having at the moment my skills are not leveled high enough to do a lot of damage and the crit on my sword is only 3 so i cant kill strength builds at the moment. Tasdik wrote: Ooh when did this happen? Lol I thought she was a hybrid str blader. Guess she decided to mix things up a little bit more. Haha  happened awhile ago decided that the extra hp would come in handy. also when im facing someone who my blade skills cant kill i can switch to glavie and if its someone really strong i can dual wield.
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