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pure str blader with force and ice would EASILY kill in pvp
debuffs from chains and from force will increase damage a lot
i think more debuffs get through clerics now too
fights wont be fast
but you will surely be able to kill
this blader probably has best chance of all builds to beat bowers at 100 cap

thank u I just want to be smthing like undefeatable and not to lose at pvp no matter if i am blader,bower or smthing else thanks for the opinion and for ur previous comment " =D~~~ " hahahaa

May be I should give you more options:
8:1 hybrid glaive with 100 heuk 100 fire 100 cold using garment and 25% snow shield, fire imbue.

Lower defence but higher damage on enemies.

yea that wasnt me so i deleted it XD
but wear garms of course if your making this build.
its not a good build for overall tanking because the lack of long buffs
but since your going to be pvping just wait till buffs cooldowns are done till you start to pvp

thank u but i want to be only the best in pvp and i dont really care for the pve so i need a char with the highest defense.it is good to make +/- good dmg but it is not obligatory

hehe ok thank u i was just wondering if i pickup this build what armour to use.Thank u for the advice and what do u mean with overall tanking? and one more thing...this blader should be full str or hybrid 5:1? i want it full str but if it will be better to pick up hybrid it is ok and what lvl snow shield can i use? (i will be always with armour parts with alot of mp and force gives mp too)

since your main def comes from snow sheild then you have more of a "burst" of defense
meaning IF you get caught out of snowsheild you defense would be less
not really a problem though for a str blader
and i say full str for tanking
since you want to tank get blues for
str/int increase
and hp/mp increases
i dont know what snowsheild you can use with that build without running out of mana

thank u alot

no problem
i hope it works out for you

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Not true, it'd depend on a lot of things. Too many variables to get to such conclusion.



I don't think that's going to happen. Nothing is unbeatable at anything. There will always be someone who will be able to beat you. You can search for a strong build, best tanker or whatever, but there's not a best build or a unbeatable one. Do not deceive yourself. I'm not being pessimistic or anything, I'm being realistic. This is the true, period.


I don't think it'd be EASILY able to kill, as it'd lack all kinds of damage. It's a pure STR build (which is already somewhat weak itself, damage wise) and it doesn't have fire which would be a huge addition to your physical damage. You'll only be able to *sort of* easily kill if you manage to get debuffs on the enemy. If you can't, you are pretty much damned. Also, I fail to understand why more debuffs would now surpass holy spell, in fact, there's only one chinese "debuff" that can surpass holy spell, which is bleed, and it's not enough at all to make you able to easily kill. You'd only be able to kill a bower if you could debuff him with several debuffs, then knock him down so he can't knock you back, and kill him before he gets up or else he'd simply knock you back once he gets up. Still, this build would be able to present some danger to it, but if the bower has lightning, I guess you'd have more problems as it'd be able to phantom away from you. Anyways, I can't really get to a conclusion right now about which builds would be able to easily kill a bower.

Nevertheless, this 100bicheon/100cold/100force build would sure be a pain to kill.


If you go hybrid, you'd be losing some survivability but would be able to deal more damage. It's worth it, both are worth it, but it's up to what you prefer. In your case, if you want ultimate tanking, go for pure.


With the extra MP from force and full blues equipment, I guess something around 30% snow shield would work just fine. I don't think anyone has already tried this build, so we can't be sure.

I agree with pretty much all the rest of what Intentions said.

EDIT: Long reply with a few mistakes , corrected all I could find.

thank ya

Well since raphaell's post is a bit too big to +1, i'll just quote ur post. Anything other than bleed is resisted by holy spell, and there are a lot of pill users these days. Plus ice immunity, ur pretty much a normal blader but ur not fast as bladers with light and don't hit as hard as a fire blader. Ur xtra physical defence will help but rogue's offence will overpower ur defence (I think ShadowFox542 said something similiar to tht in his rogue/cleric guide lol). U'll have a very hard time killing a bower if he keeps knocking u back + ghost walk. Sure, this build is very good in certain situations, but there are many other blader builds out there tht are more consistent.

i never thought of that.so can u tell me of that builds and of their advantages

Meh, as a warrior/cleric, ive yet to seen a bower who pot battles me.
Ive pvp ed only one bower so far who had both 6 arrow combo and 5 arrow combo, thats hard to kill
If he dint use expensive pills he was killable, with them i could only get him down with a double crit.
on avarage i guess a daredevil double crit would hit around 35-45k (it was 40 on a bower in full d10 +4 max blue garms with +4 d10 jewels, he had no premium though).

OT: i'dd say a str/ice/fire blader, or str/force/fire ^^ force is nice on chinese if you ask me ^^ (against ppl who are not sub cleric that is)

for this topic he wants best china tanker
blader/ice/force is the best for that

but if the man i am fighting with is using pills i`m screwed right? and btw i`m not only talking about chinese vs chinese but chinese vs everything.

Not completely, but pretty much yes (though it's not that common to fight people using special pills). If you are fighting an euro on the other hand, chances are his sub will be cleric, so you are pretty much doomed. If he's skilled at using cleric skills, you won't be able to kill him, and you'll probably only last during Snow Shield. This build at group pvp also will not be able to debuff, as everyone will probably be under Holy Spell, but you'd still be able to heal, resurrect, etc, though not nearly as effectively as your euro counter part would.


Pure STR Blader builds I'd recommend:

1. 100bicheon/100fire/100cold
   
   • Very high defense, better tanker;
   • Can use cold imbue, which is very useful if you are fighting someone who's not immune;
   • Has both Ice and Fire walls;
   • Limited mobility;
   • Somewhat very slow at grinding and not so good at group pvp;
   • Better than the one below at 1vs1 pvping.
2. 100bicheon/100fire/80lightning/20cold
   
   • Has good speed/mobility;
   • Better at group pvping than the above one, even though it's a blader and it won't help that much during a group pvp situation;
   • Still a good tanker as it's a blader;
   • Better at grinding than the one above, but still slow as it's a blader.

The one with 80lightning/20cold is somewhat more solid, as it's a good tanker, and somewhat good at virtually everything. The 100cold one is more specific for 1vs1 pvping, in my opinion.

100bicheon/100cold/100force would still probably do very good, it's just more like it's more specific for 1vs1, and fighting people without holy spell.

i want the char for 1vs1 so i will better stop at the upper one and one more question...which chinese build (without blader) will be able to defeat the 100blade/100cold/100force?

Pretty much any build, if it's played/used correctly and/or if it has better gear than you.


Your worst chinese enemies nevertheless will be builds who have force too, but apart from that, most chinese enemies will be somewhat easy.

naah i mean on theory with the NPC gear

I edited my reply. Sorry for that.

With NPC gear or whatever gear,

ok thank u i will take that note

Yes, u'll have a pretty good chance against chinese. But u'll have to watch out for chinese pill users, cos debuffs have nasty cooldowns.

i really think that there is no "undefeatable" build in sro... every build has their pros and cons. if your lv100 FF up against a lv100 FF.... you'll need to win 100% of the time to be "undefeatable" and for that to happen.... you need better weapons and armours then that other lv100. if your both FF... and your wear +5 set... and his wear som +3 set. you are destined to lose.

we can point you to the choice that can be cloestest "undefeatable" but every build has their downside.

Lol ultimate chinese tank

100Huesk/100Bich/100Ice
or
100Bich/100Ice/100Fire

pick your poision more hp or more mag defence.

imho.

bich100/cold100/fire100

if we talk about strictly tanking.

cold + fire = all the phy and mag def available to chn char.

ok but if blader fire cold and blader cold force are pvping who will win ?
or blader fire cold vs blader fire force

probably a force user

but you said Tanker

tanking is all about taking damage, not dealing it.

oh damn i`ll take that note too because i thought the best tanker would be the best pvp char because after all to be the best in pvp u have to have the greatest defense i think or i`m not right?