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 Post subject: Re: 100 capped force Bower
PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 2:45 am 
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Simply in pvp, china vs china force, china force wins 98% you can phantom as much as you want, YOU GONA DIE.

not really... depends on your play style..depends on ur opponent..few factors involved not only just cuz ur force u win

True, but with average gear and skill of bouth players china with force will most likely win.

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 Post subject: Re: 100 capped force Bower
PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 3:28 am 
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not really, with pill you can't lose
pill cooldown 15s
debuff cooldown 20s

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 Post subject: Re: 100 capped force Bower
PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 4:14 am 
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Pfff wrote:
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Simply in pvp, china vs china force, china force wins 98% you can phantom as much as you want, YOU GONA DIE.

not really... depends on your play style..depends on ur opponent..few factors involved not only just cuz ur force u win

True, but with average gear and skill of bouth players china with force will most likely win.


got to agree on this part ..with both players having similiar average gears. :D ( without pills)

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 Post subject: Re: 100 capped force Bower
PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 4:18 am 
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NuclearSilo wrote:
not really, with pill you can't lose
pill cooldown 15s
debuff cooldown 20s


+1...I debuff is not dangerous 2 somewhat 3 is bad....can pill spam when u land or just wait to the 3rd one depending on set....can get rid of like 5 at once if you are quick.

Bicheon force is dangerous because chains can also inflict bleed/division ect.

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 Post subject: Re: 100 capped force Bower
PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 7:57 am 
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what can force bow do against force blade?


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 Post subject: Re: 100 capped force Bower
PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 8:19 am 
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i am pacheon/light/cold + 32 fire hybrid and i rock !
light is very important ... and u will se it will be the most imbue use for chinese !

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 Post subject: Re: 100 capped force Bower
PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 8:33 am 
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Wait does force have like a imbue or w/e? im new to SRO so im not sure, so if someone was going to be Pacheon + (only one skill Lightning,Force,Fire or ice) which one would be best?

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 Post subject: Re: 100 capped force Bower
PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 9:25 am 
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In a thread all about force, no one even mentioned any skills that weren't de buffs. Original much?

KB, Heal, KB. Nice way to get yourself out of a sticky situation.
Also force has a move that heals special statuses right? Thats incredibly handy. (correct me if im wrong )

With that said i'd still go light, but stop thinking the only thing a force build can do is de buff. If thats all you want to do then go warlock, they are much better at it.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 capped force Bower
PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 3:28 pm 
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NuclearSilo wrote:
not really, with pill you can't lose
pill cooldown 15s
debuff cooldown 20s

It's called tactic on debuffing if the enemy uses pills.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 capped force Bower
PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 3:33 pm 
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iscared wrote:
Wait does force have like a imbue or w/e? im new to SRO so im not sure, so if someone was going to be Pacheon + (only one skill Lightning,Force,Fire or ice) which one would be best?


If you had to choose one, I'd go for fire. Force doesn't have an imbue, that's why it's not really smart to only get force with a wep tree. Although the stats you can give on someone would be enough do deal great damage without imbue.

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 Post subject: Re: 100 capped force Bower
PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 4:21 pm 
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Ozzy wrote:
what can force bow do against force blade?

running away to safe zone ?

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 Post subject: Re: 100 capped force Bower
PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 4:26 pm 
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what can force bow do against force blade?

force has a self cure so blade won't get statuses on you. Tho, so can the blader then. But then it just is the same as blade vs bow.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 capped force Bower
PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 4:35 pm 
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VeniVidiVici wrote:
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what can force bow do against force blade?

force has a self cure so blade won't get statuses on you. Tho, so can the blader then. But then it just is the same as blade vs bow.

thank god the new chain statuses are only 1 time 20%, will be pretty hard to give them on
i dont like pvping bladers, all they do is kd kd kd kd, tho is prolly bladers main skill
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 Post subject: Re: 100 capped force Bower
PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 6:18 pm 
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VeniVidiVici wrote:
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not really, with pill you can't lose
pill cooldown 15s
debuff cooldown 20s

It's called tactic on debuffing if the enemy uses pills.

There's also tactic on using pill. Since pure str has low mag dmg, i don't ..... care if he decreases my mag def. Force can only be effective if 2 debuffs decrease phy def come at once

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 Post subject: Re: 100 capped force Bower
PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 6:20 pm 
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NuclearSilo wrote:
VeniVidiVici wrote:
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not really, with pill you can't lose
pill cooldown 15s
debuff cooldown 20s

It's called tactic on debuffing if the enemy uses pills.

There's also tactic on using pill. Since pure str has low mag dmg, i don't ..... care if he decreases my mag def. Force can only be effective if 2 debuffs decrease phy def come at once


If you don't have a pillspammer, use impotent. He can't kill you. If he uses a pill you can drop division and decay on his ass and give pretty high dmg for 15 secs. If he isn't dead, just do the same thing. It's a great strategy, unless you get some pillspamming mofo.

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 Post subject: Re: 100 capped force Bower
PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 6:51 pm 
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XMoshe wrote:
If you don't have a pillspammer, use impotent. He can't kill you. If he uses a pill you can drop division and decay on his ass and give pretty high dmg for 15 secs. If he isn't dead, just do the same thing. It's a great strategy, unless you get some pillspamming mofo.

If he don't use pill to cure impotent, you can't kill him either. He just have to spam ice wall.
As pure str, i don't see any much increase of dmg with force, but nukers. Nukers can deal 13k dmg w/o and 18k dmg with debuff while pure str can only deal 7k to 10k but you need at least 4 skills to kill.

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 Post subject: Re: 100 capped force Bower
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NuclearSilo wrote:
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If you don't have a pillspammer, use impotent. He can't kill you. If he uses a pill you can drop division and decay on his ass and give pretty high dmg for 15 secs. If he isn't dead, just do the same thing. It's a great strategy, unless you get some pillspamming mofo.

If he don't use pill to cure impotent, you can't kill him either. He just have to spam ice wall.
As pure str, i don't see any much increase of dmg with force, but nukers. Nukers can deal 13k dmg w/o and 18k dmg with debuff while pure str can only deal 7k to 10k but you need at least 4 skills to kill.

I pvped a friend of mine who is pacheon/light/fire with +5 gear and a +7 bow (He used pills). I got +5 gear and also a +5 bow. Used this strategy and he used ice wall to defend him, but it didn't work.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 capped force Bower
PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:23 pm 
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VeniVidiVici wrote:
I pvped a friend of mine who is pacheon/light/fire with +5 gear and a +7 bow (He used pills). I got +5 gear and also a +5 bow. Used this strategy and he used ice wall to defend him, but it didn't work.

Used pills is not the same as know to use pills. 20% snow shield + use pill at the right time, your dmg would be pretty weak.

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