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Post subject: A simple and overlooked solution to the gold botting problem Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 1:34 am |
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There is a solution to reduce/eliminate the gold botting problem that pleagues SRO‘s servers. The solution to this over-crowed and over whelming of server space with all these gold bots lies in the very essence and theme of the game itself. The triangular conflict. The very reason why this game is (Or I should say was) so much fun is because of the triangular conflict between traders, hunters and thieves. We don’t see that much anymore. And there is a reason for that.
There is no reasonable financial benefit for traders to perform trade runs in the game when the rewards don’t seem to be worth the risk and effort. If the traders aren’t interested in trading then hunters and thieves are left with nothing to do other than the boring job wars. This works to the advantage of gold farming companies because they now offer players who are willing to buy gold the opportunity to be wealthy. And as long as they are around why should there be anyone willing to do trade runs?….. This ruins the theme of the game.
What if trade runs had huge financial benefits? What if there were lots more money to be made from trade runs as oppose to grinding? How do you think the game would be if Joymax decided to do some easy tweaks to the game that increased significantly the amount of gold gained from trade runs. And then, decrease significantly the amount of gold being dropped by monsters?
The amount of gold botters that swarm the game would reduce if the gold drop rate was reduced by at least 90% (maybe even 95%). And any items found would not produce lots of gold if sold to an NPC either. Items would only net a good price if stalled. If joymax implement these tweaks they will start to attract again real life players.
What if a single trade run at 4 or 5 stars from Jangan to Danghwang(spelling) gave 500,000 gold? From Jangan to Hotan 1 million gold? Jangan to Constantinople 2 million.. (Keeping in mind that this is the only way, beside stalling, to make this kind of money). Think how many players would there be trying to trade…trying to steal…trying to defend… Imagine…hunters getting that much as a separate payout from the hunters guild…and thieves netting that much if they are able to steal it… Why would there be any need for gold botters hogging up server space then?
I can already hear some people saying ..“well ,bot programs can be written for trade runs“. True but robbing a bot trader would be a lot easier than robbing a player trader. And how many gold botters are willing to leave it up to their bot (unsupervised) to do the trade run for them? It defeats the purpose of botting if they have to supervise the trade.
This move I believe would bring back that social aspect of the game that was lost and have caused the deterioration of SRO. This comes at no extra cost to Joymax and only requires tweaking the game a bit. The creation of things like CTF and fortress wars are far more time consuming and will only hold player interest for short periods if the problem of the game is not dealt with...
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Post subject: Re: A simple and overlooked solution to the gold botting problem Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 1:53 am |
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Yea, but I'm not sure what you meant by 4 or 5 star making those kind of money, because they are very little value
- Prob might make more socializing in the game - But I thought the idea of stalling item mall items was the solution( from what others said here)
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Post subject: Re: A simple and overlooked solution to the gold botting problem Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 2:01 am |
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i thought that the solution is just not buying money  anyway i support that tradable item mall stuff ^^
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Post subject: Re: A simple and overlooked solution to the gold botting problem Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 2:07 am |
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The profitability of trading isn't the problem.
However, because there are goldbots, there is inflation. Because there is inflation, the trading is not profitable enough for people with a lot of cash to just buy gold.
The game doesn't need to be fixed. The gold buying does.
the gold bots need to be banned.
If JM had real GM's and banned ALL the gold bots, the economy would have to settle, and trading would come back into profitability.
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Post subject: Re: A simple and overlooked solution to the gold botting problem Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 2:21 am |
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the_wicked wrote: The profitability of trading isn't the problem.
However, because there are goldbots, there is inflation. Because there is inflation, the trading is not profitable enough for people with a lot of cash to just buy gold.
The game doesn't need to be fixed. The gold buying does.
the gold bots need to be banned.
If JM had real GM's and banned ALL the gold bots, the economy would have to settle, and trading would come back into profitability. That would be the obvious fix but its not working...and gold buying is a personal choice..that will never be fixed.. Also I never said profitability of trading is a problem...but its a solution to a socially deprived game.... The real solution in my post if you didn't notice is taking away the very thing that the gold botters rely on. The gold drop rate.... If the gold drop rate was tweaked into something like every 10th monster killed drops gold and that gold is reduced to only 5% of what it used to be then I think gold bots will start to decrease in their numbers.. Direct the earning of gold to the essence of the game...triangular conflict. And in doing so you'd bring back the social aspect that made this game fun in the first place.
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Post subject: Re: A simple and overlooked solution to the gold botting problem Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 2:39 am |
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simple solution is to stop buy gold from them, but let get real here that will never ever gonna happen. Especially when those ppl don't know the value of money is around 
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Post subject: Re: A simple and overlooked solution to the gold botting problem Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 2:39 am |
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aznronin wrote: - But I thought the idea of stalling item mall items was the solution( from what others said here) LoL this is what was 3 years ago...
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Post subject: Re: A simple and overlooked solution to the gold botting problem Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 3:17 am |
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You mean this ISRO was able to stall item mall stuff? 3 years ago
by the way... is that the same girl in the avatar like the last one Nuclearsilo?
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Post subject: Re: A simple and overlooked solution to the gold botting problem Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 3:37 am |
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You could stall item mall items in iSRO 3 years ago But there were many CCFers that bought silk on a lv1 char, transferred the stuff to their main and charged back the money. That way they were making millions and millions of gold. Thats why Item Mall items are untradeable anymore
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Post subject: Re: A simple and overlooked solution to the gold botting problem Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 4:17 am |
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A simple way to cut down on the gold bots is to change the damn Image verification... It's old and gold bots are able to auto reconnect. They need a fresh one like reCaptcha.
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Post subject: Re: A simple and overlooked solution to the gold botting problem Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 4:23 am |
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I'd vote just stop gold from dropping all together, it's not that big of a gain anyway for a single player, just start a char off with 50k, let em get gold by selling drops and doing quests and fix the stupid job system and let em job for money too.
Sure it would suck but alot less then how the game is now.
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Post subject: Re: A simple and overlooked solution to the gold botting problem Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 4:41 am |
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DarkJackal wrote: I'd vote just stop gold from dropping all together, it's not that big of a gain anyway for a single player, just start a char off with 50k, let em get gold by selling drops and doing quests and fix the stupid job system and let em job for money too.
Sure it would suck but alot less then how the game is now. +1 to this 
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Post subject: Re: A simple and overlooked solution to the gold botting problem Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 4:51 am |
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Well firstly we are dealing with Joymax so none of this will happen. BL.
Secondly, pretty good idea lol. I do think it's too far gone to bring back though. There is an astronomically HUGE! amount of gold circling now. What Joymax needs to firstly do is find ways of removing some of that gold [teleports and things do this]. Once there is less gold and gold does not drop from mobs, then trades will be profitable again.
Never gonna happen... may as well quit.
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Post subject: Re: A simple and overlooked solution to the gold botting problem Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:30 am |
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It could still happen tho, A lot of that gold isn't circulating but sitting there dead on abandoned characters. The tons of gold being held by gold botting companies can be useless to them if players can get huge amounts of gold for themselves by going back to doing what the game was made for. Which is triangular conflict.
I just think that sometimes attacking a problem head on (like banning them) isn't the solution. At least not in this case. You ban 100 gold bots and 100 more was already in waiting. Attacking the cause and ignoring the symptoms is better most of the time. Remove what they rely on first (gold drop rate) then you won't have to worry about what they rely on second (Players that buy their gold). Then you can watch them slowly disappear from the game.
What this game needs is a community. Just like when it first started. No game exist nor is it fun without it's community. The people at joymax either don't care or probably are finding it profitable for them to manage the game in this manner. You're probably right...It might be too late.
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Post subject: Re: A simple and overlooked solution to the gold botting problem Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:41 am |
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Even if the gold botters were banned, the economy in the servers would still be screwed. People selling suns for billions.. people were never supposed to get into the billions.
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Post subject: Re: A simple and overlooked solution to the gold botting problem Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:44 am |
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the_wicked wrote: If JM had real GM's and banned ALL the gold bots, the economy would have to settle, and trading would come back into profitability. Im going to go out on limb and say this isn't the real solution. Yes i do believe gold bots need to be removed. But i also believe it is up to the community to do it, rather than the company. The community introduced goldbots, not joymax. And thu sthe community needs to remove the problem, much like that of venus did. Until an action that changes the mindsets of the abusers is introduced, nothing will ever be changed. Also your idea is great, i believe Barotix posted something similar a fair while ago, always agreed with it.
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Post subject: Re: A simple and overlooked solution to the gold botting problem Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:54 am |
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rek wrote: Even if the gold botters were banned, the economy in the servers would still be screwed. People selling suns for billions.. people were never supposed to get into the billions. People sold SUNs for billions because of gold botters existence and players who buy their gold. That wrecked the economy. But if gold drops came to a halt, and the way to make good money was from trade runs, the price for SUNs would drop (over time). Because the gold needed to buy a SUN would not come as easy as buying it from a gold botter.
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Post subject: Re: A simple and overlooked solution to the gold botting problem Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 7:02 am |
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Still would take a long time. Money just doesnt disappear.
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Post subject: Re: A simple and overlooked solution to the gold botting problem Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 7:12 am |
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rek wrote: Still would take a long time. Money just doesnt disappear. With this game it does...MP and HP potions..those 100s of bots we see at least need pots..and if nobody needs to buy gold botters gold anymore it will just sit there slowing being used. Unless they decide to buy rare items with it and sell those items for real cash. And when thats gone there is no more gold for them.
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Post subject: Re: A simple and overlooked solution to the gold botting problem Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 7:23 am |
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Advancechao wrote: DarkJackal wrote: I'd vote just stop gold from dropping all together, it's not that big of a gain anyway for a single player, just start a char off with 50k, let em get gold by selling drops and doing quests and fix the stupid job system and let em job for money too.
Sure it would suck but alot less then how the game is now. +1 to this  This may sound crazy but I believe this would work so much.
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Post subject: Re: A simple and overlooked solution to the gold botting problem Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 7:30 am |
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BuDo wrote: rek wrote: Still would take a long time. Money just doesnt disappear. With this game it does...MP and HP potions..those 100s of bots we see at least need pots..and if nobody needs to buy gold botters gold anymore it will just sit there slowing being used. Unless they decide to buy rare items with it and sell those items for real cash. And when thats gone there is no more gold for them. Lol, im not talking about the billions people have combined. Im talking about the individuals with billions for themselves. I doubt they would waste it all on pots and such. No, they'd buy suns, or anything else ridiculously overpriced. And this huuuge amount of money would be given to the seller. Large amounts of money doesnt just disappear.
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Post subject: Re: A simple and overlooked solution to the gold botting problem Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 7:54 am |
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Oh i c what you mean...my bad... But why would that be much of a problem? as long as the gold botters are no more..taking up server space..I can live with this...Besides,..one player..(or a few) having billions is no different than one lucky player (or a few) having a seal of Sun weapon and rest of us don't.
If all the gold in the game was removed suddenly then the process of who is the richest would start over again. This time it would be gold earned from the triangular conflicts. There Would not be much of a difference. You'd still find someone (or a few) who made billions.
And oh..that large amounts of money being used to buy suns at ridiculously high prices would be spread out over the server because its not gonna be spent in just on place..not likely..And the player who spent billions getting lots of SOSuns now wont be the top player when at the next level cap.
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Post subject: Re: A simple and overlooked solution to the gold botting problem Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 8:06 am |
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Orrrr.. a server wipe. lol
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Post subject: Re: A simple and overlooked solution to the gold botting problem Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 8:10 am |
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rek wrote: Orrrr.. a server wipe. lol ^^...lol... I'm putting too much thought into this I guess...
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Post subject: Re: A simple and overlooked solution to the gold botting problem Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 8:12 am |
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Yeah, its not going to be fixed. Theyre making too much money off the prem, a lot of people just buy it for the easy login.
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Post subject: Re: A simple and overlooked solution to the gold botting problem Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 8:16 am |
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Advancechao wrote: DarkJackal wrote: I'd vote just stop gold from dropping all together, it's not that big of a gain anyway for a single player, just start a char off with 50k, let em get gold by selling drops and doing quests and fix the stupid job system and let em job for money too.
Sure it would suck but alot less then how the game is now. +1 to this  +2
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Post subject: Re: A simple and overlooked solution to the gold botting problem Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 8:20 am |
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rek wrote: Yeah, its not going to be fixed. Theyre making too much money off the prem, a lot of people just buy it for the easy login. Yup true.... I just wished they'd see the benefit in creating a server full of real players rather than having just 10% of the server population dedicated to real life players buying premiums to log on.. Silk sales would go up if they wanna tie in login in features to experience tickets like they do now. They (Joymax) are the weirdest operation I've ever seen... Seems there are more to them than this madness that we all are seeing.
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Post subject: Re: A simple and overlooked solution to the gold botting problem Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 8:27 am |
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I really think all the forums should make a petition for joymax to step it up, im sure if joymax saw that we cared alot of this game that they would try and fix it?
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Post subject: Re: A simple and overlooked solution to the gold botting problem Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 8:31 am |
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I'd be up for that....having all forum site admins gather and submit our petition to JM. The only thing that holds me back is this lingering feeling that JM is in bed with these companies and will only issue their regular "robotic" statements as a reply conveying their concerns and that they are looking into it...Thus wasting our time..
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Post subject: Re: A simple and overlooked solution to the gold botting problem Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 8:35 am |
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We will tell all of silkroad to go on the forums and sign the petition then everyone will spam there help & support and there forums, they will see that we want a change.
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