Division & Bleed

Jazba · **Posted:** Sat Dec 06, 2008 4:58 am

Division & Bleed
can any1 tell me by what % or what numbers do these both status come into effect ?
i cant find that information on Konpaku nor on wiki.
cuz it doesnt even show in ur character window howmuch defense u lost.
plz any1 came up with any numbers or %
thx alot

the_wicked · **Posted:** Sat Dec 06, 2008 7:29 am

I don't think there are exact %'s.

division lowers much more defense than bleed.

i think the overall damage upgrade from division+bleed is like 1.5x attack power (if you hit 20k, bleed and division you'll nuke like 30-32k ish i guess.)

OTG · **Joined:** Oct 2008 **Posts:** 1060 **Location:**

As a blader I would do 5-6k on knockdown skills against other players. With Bleed I'd do 7-8k and with division I would do 8-8.5k. With both on I would do 10-11k.

Jazba · **Posted:** Sat Dec 06, 2008 10:22 am

so they r stackable ?

Lempi · **Joined:** Oct 2008 **Posts:** 3203 **Location:** England

Yes, you can have bleed and division on same target. You can also have decay, impotent and a few others, all at the same time.

Pan_Raider(`_´) · **Joined:** Jul 2006 **Posts:** 4737 **Location:**

hm, but how long do the bad status' from the chinese force tree last?

are they all 10 seconds or do they change to 30 seconds like the warlock debuffs?

Drabon · **Joined:** Jun 2008 **Posts:** 44 **Location:**

Bleed = -20% of the current defences of the target, and yes this info can be viewed in the char window of the target

JKMB · **Joined:** Apr 2008 **Posts:** 822 **Location:**

Pan_Raider(`_´) wrote:

hm, but how long do the bad status' from the chinese force tree last?
are they all 10 seconds or do they change to 30 seconds like the warlock debuffs?

Bleed Division and Impotent from lighting chain all last for 30 seconds, Division and Impotent from Vital spot Zero and Mind (I think its them) also last for 30 seconds last time I checked.

UniQ · **Posted:** Sat Dec 06, 2008 11:19 am

hmm, it might be that bleed decreases ur defense more if its higher lvl and same for division... not sure tho

Ladydas · **Joined:** Dec 2008 **Posts:** 51 **Location:** Denmark

hmm, it might be that bleed decreases ur defense more if its higher lvl and same for division... not sure tho

FireVortex · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 2005 **Location:**

Ladydas wrote:

hmm, it might be that bleed decreases ur defense more if its higher lvl and same for division... not sure tho

UniQ wrote:

hmm, it might be that bleed decreases ur defense more if its higher lvl and same for division... not sure tho

lul....

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[TS]=Hark=[TS] · **Posted:** Sat Dec 06, 2008 9:31 pm

VforVendetta wrote:

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that sort of thing exsists? lol

JKMB · **Joined:** Apr 2008 **Posts:** 822 **Location:**

No but remade accounts looking to spam their way to 75 posts so they can post in EB do. :wink:

SiWarrior · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 85 **Location:**

Division DOES NOT lower targets defence, it increases your offence, ive got a screen of an 85 nuker hitting 131k on a shaman thing and then 100k on a mangyang. (shaman had division)

the_wicked · **Posted:** Sat Dec 06, 2008 11:51 pm

SiWarrior wrote:

Division DOES NOT lower targets defence, it increases your offence, ive got a screen of an 85 nuker hitting 131k on a shaman thing and then 100k on a mangyang. (shaman had division)

ignore defense ftw?

SiWarrior · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 85 **Location:**

yea i know it was ignore defence but even when i had div on me i dont recall seeing my phy/mag defence drop

even with ignore defence should he be hittin more on the mang or shaman...

raphaell666 · **Posted:** Sun Dec 07, 2008 12:56 am

SiWarrior wrote:

Division DOES NOT lower targets defence, it increases your offence, ive got a screen of an 85 nuker hitting 131k on a shaman thing and then 100k on a mangyang. (shaman had division)

Sorry, but that does not make sense. You use division on someone else and your attack increases? That is like you buffing someone but you getting the bonuses instead of the target, I doubt that you are right.

SiWarrior · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 85 **Location:**

Your attack increases on the target you put division on, if anyone can come up with screens of a char showing division decreasing their own defence ill accept it.
But the nuker hit 131k on a mob 4 lvls or so below it, ( division + no def) thats more than it hits a mang (around 100k).

raphaell666 · **Posted:** Sun Dec 07, 2008 2:40 am

SiWarrior wrote:

Your attack increases on the target you put division on, if anyone can come up with screens of a char showing division decreasing their own defence ill accept it.
But the nuker hit 131k on a mob 4 lvls or so below it, ( division + no def) thats more than it hits a mang (around 100k).

That thing about using a skill on someone else and you getting the effect still seems flawed to me. Can you post a proof of that thing you are talking about the nuker?

EDIT: Hmm. Theres an easy way to test that. Just use division on a mangyang and see if it really increases your attack (according to you it would increase greatly, while if division reduces defense your damage on the mangyang wouldn't change much with or without it, cause it's defense is already negligible, am I right?).

SiWarrior · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 85 **Location:**

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[TS]=Hark=[TS] · **Posted:** Sun Dec 07, 2008 4:01 am

big differnece between lvl 72 and 85

SiWarrior · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 85 **Location:**

dude FLAWLESS did both the nukes

ffs my bow is str how would i nuke 100k on a mang, let along 131 on a shaman

raphaell666 · **Posted:** Sun Dec 07, 2008 7:18 pm

I believe those two screenshots are not proving anything, actually.
1)The nuker is using a different nuke on each screenshot. I'm not sure, but in fact, if I recall correctly the meteor nuke is weaker than the one that goes straight to the target. (am I wrong?)
Flame Wave Bomb lvl 84 (meteor nuke)= Mag.Atk. 883 ~ 1.471 (263%);
Flame Wave Burning lvl 84 (the one that goes straight) = Mag.Atk. 883 ~ 1.471 (330%).
I may have confused things though. We need someone who is sure about this.
2)We can't tell if the nuker has the same buffs/scrolls on both screenshots.
3)It *looks like* he is not using imbue when nuking the mangyangs.
4)There may be other things, but I'm not going to look further.

Well, I think you got my point.

the_wicked · **Posted:** Sun Dec 07, 2008 7:38 pm

i believe that division just allows for the afflicted char/mob to get hit harder by attacks but doesnt lower defense.

Disconn3cted · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 3293 **Location:** WV, USA

raphaell666 wrote:

I believe those two screenshots are not proving anything, actually.
1)The nuker is using a different nuke on each screenshot. I'm not sure, but in fact, if I recall correctly the meteor nuke is weaker than the one that goes straight to the target. (am I wrong?)
Flame Wave Bomb lvl 84 (meteor nuke)= Mag.Atk. 883 ~ 1.471 (263%);
Flame Wave Burning lvl 84 (the one that goes straight) = Mag.Atk. 883 ~ 1.471 (330%).
I may have confused things though. We need someone who is sure about this.
2)We can't tell if the nuker has the same buffs/scrolls on both screenshots.
3)It *looks like* he is not using imbue when nuking the mangyangs.
4)There may be other things, but I'm not going to look further.

Well, I think you got my point.

meteor nuke is flame wave wide and its the strongest nuke but something seems unusual about those screenshots

raphaell666 · **Posted:** Sun Dec 07, 2008 7:59 pm

This part of my post was wrong:
"Flame Wave Burning lvl 84 (the one that goes straight) = Mag.Atk. 883 ~ 1.471 (330%)."
The correct is this:
Flame wave - Wide = Mag.Atk. 883 ~ 1.471 (330%)

I agree something is wrong.

EDIT:

the_wicked wrote:

i believe that division just allows for the afflicted char/mob to get hit harder by attacks but doesnt lower defense.

Yeah, it must be something like that.

We'd just need someone to test that on mangyangs like I mentioned on my other post.

Disconn3cted · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 3293 **Location:** WV, USA

made screenshots now uploading that 130k dmg isn't his

edit: nvm I think I know whats going on, that 130k dmg division bleed and ignore defense

raphaell666 · **Posted:** Sun Dec 07, 2008 8:37 pm

Hmm, you posted 2 exactly equal screenshots, and you should have another screenshot of you nuking a mangyang with division, and there should be a screenshot of your damage on the Niya but without the debuffs.

Disconn3cted · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 3293 **Location:** WV, USA

raphaell666 wrote:

Hmm, you posted 2 exactly equal screenshots, and you should have another screenshot of you nuking a mangyang with division, and there should be a screenshot of your damage on the Niya but without the debuffs.

oops didn't see that and im pretty sure division won't do anything to a mangyang

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