The Alternative to the "Confederation"

Fly · **Joined:** Feb 2006 **Posts:** 2114 **Location:**

non ego man pwned everyone.

the_wicked · **Posted:** Tue Oct 21, 2008 2:32 am

When doesn't he?

NON EGO FOR PREZ

seana49 · **Posted:** Tue Oct 21, 2008 7:54 am

Irony is that the word "jew" is blocked in game, so you would have to have a swear filter to use it in a global. :wink:

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Shazam! · **Joined:** Apr 2008 **Posts:** 293 **Location:**

You need to upload the picture to a webserver first.

SidiousX · **Posted:** Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:08 pm

Shazam! wrote:

You need to upload the picture to a webserver first.

You write too much in this topic, and too little in an e-mail that will be sent to me

AngloKnight · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 1504 **Location:**

GlennNL22 wrote:

Hell March for Mother Venus! See our legits walking in those nice red suits!
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oh noez i see ppl riding me!!!!!

AkillerNXC · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 1014 **Location:**

For those idiots who think the confederation is a dictatorship, do you know what a dictatorship is? I'd consider it a perfect form of communism in the making.

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In his Communist Manifest, Marx said communism would happen in three phases:

1. Bloody Revolution:

In order to create this new society, the believers of communism would have to destroy the existing government. While the term Bloody might seem an unnecessary description, Marx truly believed that a revolution would require a violent destruction of all previous systems in order to set a proper stage for the second phase.

2. Dictatorship of the Proletariat:

One person (a dictator) or a few elite people (an oligarchy) would have to take absolute power to remove or destroy every person that conflicted with communism. Ideas about political and economic freedoms associated with democracy or capitalism had to be destroyed. Marx recommended that this be done with “re-education” of the Proletariat (common people) through propaganda. But Marx went on to say that people who resisted the “re-education” and insisted on religious, democratic or capitalistic freedoms should be imprisoned, tortured or even killed.

Under phase two of communist systems, all of the freedoms that many western countries take for granted are non-existent. Communist governments control every aspect of life, including what jobs people have, what level of education they receive, where they live, what items they can purchase, who they can marry, how many children they can have, and even whether they live or die.

For reasons explained in phase three, no communist nation has ever moved beyond phase two (or what we call ‘practical’ communism). People in communist systems, then, live in a constant state of oppression and tyranny, always fearful about saying the wrong thing or angering a government official. Approximately 100 million people have been murdered under communist oppression, in many cases for no crime other than saying a few words.

3. Egalitarian Utopia:

Marx said that when all of the non-communists were destroyed or removed, the government could release its power, allowing every person to be completely equal, both politically and economically. The word egalitarian refers to this perfect equality. Utopia, of course, refers to Plato’s idea of a political paradise. Marx hoped the world would become a perfect (ideal) communist paradise, filled with people who were completely equal and who would not be able to abuse others or be abused by others.

Okay, lets consider the "existing government" as the bots. Overthrow of the government. Assrape the bots in every form possible (pvp, jobbing, FW). Simple.

Step 2: Dictator and/or group of people take power. In a way, The confederation could be considered the dictatorship. The "dictatorship" leads the overthrow of the "government". The confederation leads the overthrow of the bots. The "freedoms of western countries" could be considered the "freedoms to party/'play' the game however you want. Every other server would be considered a "Western country". The freedoms that these other servers have (botting, partying with bots, etc) are taken away, the whitelist system takes care of that. Communist system controls the way of life. To compare that to the game, the Communist government in making takes control of the server, the Confederation are the strong ones. Those that fought (bots, bot supporters) are destroyed.

Step 3: "Marx said that when all of the non-communists were destroyed or removed, the government could release its power, allowing every person to be completely equal, both politically and economically."

When all of the bots are destroyed or removed, The confederation would then no longer be needed as "leaders". After that, all legits are considered the same, because they all understand that the game is meant to be played without cheaters. Nobody will need to cheat to catch up, because there will not be any cheaters to catch up with. This produces "Utopia", according to Karl Marx. However same as in real life, this can not be achieved realistically. There will always be those who want more power (botters), and will do anything to get it.

Thats the way I've always thought of it. Works for me.

seana49 · **Posted:** Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:44 pm

Not quoted. Those interested may go to the post by AkillerNxc above and read; it's worth the effort.

Oh, fun at last! A guy who's trying some analysis and moreover chooses not to to recur to assholes, cesspoles and other pleasantries of the sort!

AkillerNxc, what u say is really interesting imo (no irony). To stretch ur metaphor further, i think there have been at least three serious experiments in actualizing communist theories: USSR, PRC and Cuba. Results are there to be seen. All missed their initial aim in different ways (again imho), but always sharing the fact that their rulers eventually turned into "botters" i.e. dictators scarcely caring of proletariat and tending their absolute power instead. I share ur opinion about the unrealistic essence of marxist utopia, and history conforts this opinion, till now.

Yet, all the above said, i'm not able to recall even a single example of a dictatorship of any kind not producing evil and not ending badly, so maybe all dictatorships are not good, don't u think so?
I'm looking forward for a civil reply

Argonaut · **Joined:** Jun 2008 **Posts:** 1162 **Location:**

seana49 wrote:

Yet, all the above said, i'm not able to recall even a single example of a dictatorship of any kind not producing evil and not ending badly, so maybe all dictatorships are not good, don't u think so?
I'm looking forward for a civil reply

There are no good dictators because the very essence of "dictator" ceases to be related with the term "good". There have been monarchs who helped their country, as other similar governments have.

seana49 · **Posted:** Tue Oct 21, 2008 11:03 pm

Yes Argonaut, do u see where the argoments goes?:

1) Dictatorships are not good (premise)
2) Communist dictatorship is a dictatorship
Then:
3) Communist dictatorship is not good

Now, AkillerNxc, if i well understand, holds the opinion that confederation is similar to a communist dictatorship, then....

[SD]Master_Wong · **Posted:** Tue Oct 21, 2008 11:12 pm

good dictatorship, Great Britain, ruled under someone who was not elected to power either gained there position from killing the other person or family

rome no one was elected emperor of rome

both examples of something that is not democracy

dictator under the
define: dictator function of good

# A system of government in which a country is ruled by a single person with absolute power.
A state ruled by a dictator holding absolute power and authority

XemnasXD · **Posted:** Tue Oct 21, 2008 11:45 pm

Monarchy is different from dictatorship. You kinda have an edge over the people when you say your right to rule comes from God.

Also roman Emperors still had a senate to answer to and most emperors gained power after the death/murder/assisination of another emperor...

Argonaut · **Joined:** Jun 2008 **Posts:** 1162 **Location:**

XemnasXD wrote:

Monarchy is different from dictatorship. You kinda have an edge over the people when you say your right to rule comes from God.

Also roman Emperors still had a senate to answer to and most emperors gained power after the death/murder/assisination of another emperor...

Meh. If your people are foolish enough to believe in a deity, they deserve to be subjected to your rule.

non ego man · **Posted:** Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:01 am

Those are all autocracies. Fly would have retained much more "power" if he had not established the confederacy, transferred leadership of the union to Midnight, etc, etc. You guys need to stop thinking of this as a control grab by Fly.

t0rch · **Joined:** Mar 2008 **Posts:** 759 **Location:** ...

You guys are all some silly mother Farking bitches :roll:

AkillerNXC · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 1014 **Location:**

rofl t0rch. <3.

Someone please produce a Dictator handbook that says that a Dictator has to have bad intentions.

Wikipedia wrote:

A dictator is an authoritarian ruler (e.g. absolutist or autocratic) who assumes sole and absolute power without hereditary ascension such as an absolute monarch.[1] When other states call the head of state of a particular state a dictator, that state is called a dictatorship.

Definition = Leader. Simply put.
Head of state = Leader of a state = Leaders of server (to relate to the game).
Remember a dictator is not only one person, it can be a small group of people.

The direction that Venus is on is towards Marx's perfect state of "Utopia". Once this perfect state is reached (meaning botters/any other form of cheaters are completely removed), the need for the "Dictator" aka The confederation is eliminated. Confederation is gone = everyone is equal, in the sense of their status as a legit. Means that a level 20 nub is equally as legit as any Avalon member.

Now, the way venus works. A group of guild leaders form the confederation leaders. The "elite group" according to Marx. That group of guild leaders is the "Dictator" for the time being. Now, are their intentions bad? Of course not. The "dictator" leads to destroy the enemy, those who appose it. Meaning un-legits. Which is the step we are on now. Once the bots are destroyed, then the Confederation is no longer needed. The "dictator" is gone. After this society takes care of itself. If everyone is legit, anyone who attempts to bot on venus would be against the majority if not all of the server (society). The need for "leaders" of the server is gone.

The people that call Venus a "dictatorship" are referring to the commonly known ones such as the USSR, Cuba, and China (etc). Where the dictator is power hungry and they ran into this problem, with power comes greed, and if someone can't get what they want and they have power, they'll abuse it. (Which is the reason for killings, etc.)

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This has never happened in any of the dozens of countries that have gone to communist systems. According to philosopher George Orwell, it will never happen for the simple reason that “power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.” Orwell pointed out that once a person has all the power humanly possible – and has even in some cases been called a god – that person can never give up the power and agree to a position among the common people, working as they work, and living as they live in relative poverty. (Orwell’s novel, Animal Farm, uses an allegory of Russia’s history to examine this idea further.)

So in a sense, yes, the confederation right now could be considered a dictatorship, and if that's considered an insult, then just lulz. Because there is absolutely NOTHING that states that ALL dictatorships aka LEADERSHIPS have bad intentions. And to prove my point, basically a dictator is a monarch that is not related to the previous leader. How many monarchs have there been that are considered great?

This is just my opinion on how the Confederation is run, and its working great.

Sir_Nicolas · **Joined:** Nov 2007 **Posts:** 155 **Location:**

whats a dictatorship

Fly · **Joined:** Feb 2006 **Posts:** 2114 **Location:**