The Alternative to the "Confederation"

Pericles · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 412 **Location:**

nohunta wrote:

Lol Venus people are soooooo disrespectful. You cant even respect his wishes and leave his recruiting thread alone. Thats very sad. His rules are his rules. Who defines how a game is supposed to be played? Only Joymax can because its their game. Any rules made outside of what Joymax said is (I cant think of the word for it). He's seriously making all of you look like retarded assholes. He hasnt flamed a single person here, yet all of you continuasly flame him. I lol at the legits of venus. "We are legit" but you guys forgot to make the fine print of "We are also Assholes!"

Is a bless that you are NOT here.

Barotix · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 9250 **Location:** Sand

The so called "Venus Confederation" rules are simply rules that are set in place by the Joymax EULA and TOS. These rules are not conjured up at the whims of a few good (wo)men; the rules are universally understood to be applicable to all online games where cheating is thought to be against the mechanics of the game; thus, any "Venus Confederation" rules are to be thought of as the proper interpretation of the EULA and TOS by the legit community. Any other interpretations are wrong. Any interpretation that openly endorses and allows cheating is against the Joymax TOS and EULA and shall be treated as an illegitimate interpretation of the rules laid down by Joymax. All games are run by one unwritten law: Don't cheat. EULAs and TOSs seek to take this unwritten law and expand upon it and protect the company; the Venus confederation seeks to do the same and expand on the unwritten law of not cheating. It is rather simple: Games are not created to be cheated, exploited, bugged, or hacked.

My 2 cents.

Zanam · **Joined:** Jul 2008 **Posts:** 139 **Location:**

caseyd4 wrote:

Ok so I have formed my own guild laughed at by many respected by few, But I believe im fighting a worthy cause here.

I offer a Legit Alternative to the Confederation, The Guild "PeaceKeepers".

The reason all with my own dis-agreements about certain rules, I have found many that agree that the rules for many legits are far too right wing. This is not to say you are allowed to bot or Buy Gold.
Your are not.
What PeaceKeepers hopes to offer, is a friendly guild where Fun is once again found in the game. Euro and Chinese Characters are all welcome. In the event, where we have enough members WE would compete in the Fortress war and I already am extremley active in jobbing others would be promoted to do so.

I would like the Guilds of Confederation to act respectively, as I have already shown my respect for themselves. Any Disrespectful comments I will ask to have removed.

The Guild has two simple Rules;
DO NOT BOT.
DO NOT BUY GOLD FROM BOTTERS.
Punishment for either is immediate expulsion.

lawl huge fail ill be nuking the crap out of your "wanna be legits" at sam south i give you a week maybe 2 till you quit that worthless thing u call a guild.

Bot: Getting Exp without Having to do it yourself
Bot Powerlevel: Getting exp without having to do it yourself
Bot: Failing at the game becuase u dont know what the hell your skills do
Bot powerlevel: Failing at the game becuase u dont know what the hell your skills do

Bot powerlevel is Greater than or equal to Botting.

non ego man · **Posted:** Fri Oct 17, 2008 12:02 am

Barotix gives nohunta a beatdown.

Saved me the trouble, mate. Thanks.

hitokiri · **Joined:** Feb 2006 **Posts:** 3503 **Location:** here

Right, you said you're against the rules. You have only two of the others posted. So if you don't explain what your alternative is, or your idea for a diff approach besides you're here to have fun and be legit, then it appears you are okay with people doing that.

I understand what you're trying to get at, this is basically what legit meant on other servers I was on. Its a general way to state you dont want to have bots, and on other servers this would be alright. But here people have gone through great lengths to get very specific as to the rules and very much love enforcing them as well. So, you will have to be more specific if you have a hope to get peace on SRF in your topic. Honestly, I'd suggest you don't try to recruit here though, because I dont expect a very big change in how people will react to this.

nohunta · **Posted:** Fri Oct 17, 2008 12:48 am

non ego man wrote:

Barotix gives nohunta a beatdown.

Saved me the trouble, mate. Thanks.

True.

Casey is still making all those flamers look like retarded assholes.
I wont be surprised if Casey reports all of you for spamming his recruiting thread. He has flamed no one. Yet all of you attack him.

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."- Voltaire

I dont exactly agree with Casey but all of you just mindlessly flaming him is kinda ridicoulous. GROW UP. He has already said that he understands your POV, so you need to leave him alone and respect his opinoin.

Barotix · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 9250 **Location:** Sand

Respecting the right is not the same as respecting the words.

nohunta · **Posted:** Fri Oct 17, 2008 1:34 am

You can still respect him. Give him the respect of not spamming his topic when he asks you not to. You can show atleast a little decency. You telling me that you think that they are flaming him for a good reason? Because it seems very petty to me.

IDontPlaySRO · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 322 **Location:** ...

It's not worth being an outcast to legits as a legit so you can use those few handy things. Go to another server because they all pretty much will accept you, as that is pretty much everyone elses definition of Legitimacy. I'm sure there are others who don't agree in everything in the rules, myself included, but they, or me for that matter, won't give up what you get by for following the already set rules... It's not worth it to join your guild for those 3 things being accepted, which are almost meaningless on Venus anyway...

I'm being nice and my advice, join another server or wait for a new one and make your guild there. Venus isn't willing to accept half legits as you can see by the others' posts.

BTW what is size increase or w/e it's called?

Blindfire · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 3844 **Location:** ...

IDontPlaySRO wrote:

BTW what is size increase or w/e it's called?

It's a pk2 edit to make uniques larger and easier to click through a horde of spawns.

nightbloom · **Joined:** Jan 2006 **Posts:** 5492 **Location:**

We may be zealous, but we are zealous about doing things the RIGHT way and proving that it does not make you weak. In fact, it has made us all outrageously strong as a Confederation and as unions, guilds and players.

casey's way is the way that killed SRO on every other server but ours. You are either legit or you are not and that is it. Yes, we have had to make a system to keep botting down on a social level and yes, that makes a lot of people scared. If you get nervous, rest assured that no one person runs the Confederation. Despite popular belief, the Confederation is not Avalon's. The Dungeon is run by a member of BHA as a matter of fact. It works because we all agreed it was the only way to do it. JoyMax cannot do it but we can. I had hoped that instead of being the one legit server, we could give the rest of the servers a model upon witch to build. Sadly, that isnt happening. So take your softcore legits and go to one of the 31 other flavors SRO has to offer. Venus is ours.

BTW Avalon was named after the Isle of Avalon (aka Isle of Glastonbury), the place where King Arthur was taken after he was mortally wounded to await the call of England's greatest need.

Argonaut · **Joined:** Jun 2008 **Posts:** 1162 **Location:**

nohunta wrote:

You can still respect him. Give him the respect of not spamming his topic when he asks you not to. You can show atleast a little decency. You telling me that you think that they are flaming him for a good reason? Because it seems very petty to me.

Theres a difference between CAN and WILL. No one can force me to respect anyone. For some reason the mindset of this generation seems to think that respect is earned as a birthright, it is not. It is earned by your actions. I don't respect anybody until they prove they are worth of my respect.

Necrobat · **Posted:** Fri Oct 17, 2008 5:16 am

caseyd4 wrote:

I do not Cheat, Use a loader premote Cheating in anyway. Infact I have helped more Legits than anything else, Peoples names cant be mentioned as I am not White Listed.

We already went through the whole what I dis agree about I posted 5 times and got close to 50 flames attacking me.

I dont see whats your problem, I am not Going to undermine anything.. What is it your so worried about. I do not premote botting, END OF.

I promote a friendly and respectful guild, Which reading many replies to this I see many of you Fail.

You can keep posting and flaming as you wish, just like your heavy handed approach to this game it will get you know where, My thread on top.

I am not going to argue with the Confederation, I made my views clear and was castigated for them. Everyone knows I do not use any loaders, Bot or PowerLevel.

I also know that there are mature enough people out there that can be legit on the same level as me.. Who may wish to remain friends with other people who see a different side to the game. They are not discouraged to do so, we are not botters. We are not out to kill anyone in a war, we are definitly not out to personally insult and attack people. We are here to enjoy and play this Game, we are PEACEKEEPERS

Thank you for reading.

Lets state this in a way that'll be more clear for you.

What YOU do isn't affected by what your guild does, but what your guild does, affects what happens to you.

You might not use Loader, bot powerlevel blah blah blah. Fine. But your guild doesn't tell people they can't.

They use Loader. Illegit.
They get powerlevelled by bot. Illegit.

And guess what? They're wearing YOU tag. So it all comes back to affect you in a full 180. You're not doing, but they are, and you're affected by the consequences of others.

If you really like being an outsider, go ahead, otherwise you'd best reconsider your stance.

Shazam! · **Joined:** Apr 2008 **Posts:** 293 **Location:**

nohunta wrote:

You can still respect him. Give him the respect of not spamming his topic when he asks you not to. You can show atleast a little decency. You telling me that you think that they are flaming him for a good reason? Because it seems very petty to me.

Maybe we do so cause he forgot to mention that anyone who will join his guild will not be appy on Venus, since they will not get into parties, will not be respected in-game and might get raped by players who actually get annoyed by half assed botlings that call themselves legit while getting plvled by a bot. don't you think it's better people who think about joining his guild know from the very beginning what they will have to expect? And yes, behaviour like this IS necessary.

Glad you are grown up, by the way. Gratz!

Guardia · **Joined:** Dec 2006 **Posts:** 1187 **Location:**

<<no-MasterKojito>>

foudre · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 3604 **Location:**

might has well have posted a thread called lets see how many flames i can get

nohunta · **Posted:** Fri Oct 17, 2008 10:53 am

LOL Getting bot plvled isnt illegit. Joymax does not say you cant be plvled by a bot. Only says you cant bot. Legit is what Joymax says it is.

@oyukiyo.. Stfu you fail miserably you sound like a 12 year old "Flames are neccesary! gtfo and go play your level 70.

foudre · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 3604 **Location:**

botting indireclty is the same thing as botting

Toasty · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 2568 **Location:**

nohunta wrote:

LOL Getting bot plvled isnt illegit. Joymax does not say you cant be plvled by a bot. Only says you cant bot. Legit is what Joymax says it is.

@oyukiyo.. Stfu you fail miserably you sound like a 12 year old "Flames are neccesary! gtfo and go play your level 70.

Oh c'mon.. get some common sense.

t0rch · **Joined:** Mar 2008 **Posts:** 759 **Location:** ...

nohunta wrote:

LOL Getting bot plvled isnt illegit. Joymax does not say you cant be plvled by a bot. Only says you cant bot. Legit is what Joymax says it is.

@oyukiyo.. Stfu you fail miserably you sound like a 12 year old "Flames are neccesary! gtfo and go play your level 70.

Can someone get banned from a subforum?

<- would like to request that this fucker nohunta gets banned from the venus section

deathtoall · **Joined:** Jul 2006 **Posts:** 619 **Location:**

Barotix wrote:

The so called "Venus Confederation" rules are simply rules that are set in place by the Joymax EULA and TOS. These rules are not conjured up at the whims of a few good (wo)men; the rules are universally understood to be applicable to all online games where cheating is thought to be against the mechanics of the game; thus, any "Venus Confederation" rules are to be thought of as the proper interpretation of the EULA and TOS by the legit community. Any other interpretations are wrong. Any interpretation that openly endorses and allows cheating is against the Joymax TOS and EULA and shall be treated as an illegitimate interpretation of the rules laid down by Joymax. All games are run by one unwritten law: Don't cheat. EULAs and TOSs seek to take this unwritten law and expand upon it and protect the company; the Venus confederation seeks to do the same and expand on the unwritten law of not cheating. It is rather simple: Games are not created to be cheated, exploited, bugged, or hacked.

My 2 cents.

Um, baro... Where in the TOS and EULA does it say you cant get powerleveled? Or you cant talk to bots? Half the shit in the confederation rules isnt stated in the TOS. Now on topic. Everyone who doesnt have something nice to say, get the fck out of his thread. He asked you nicely in the begining.

Oh and once more off topic. Nice to see you all keeping up the bot fight..lmao More bots now in Venus than when I lost my net 4 months ago.

AngelEyes · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 633 **Location:**

nohunta wrote:

LOL Getting bot plvled isnt illegit. Joymax does not say you cant be plvled by a bot. Only says you cant bot. Legit is what Joymax says it is.

Wow.....just wow.

If it's illegal to bot how in the world is a plvl BY A BOT legal????? If someone commits a crime and you drive the getaway car...guess what you committed a crime too.

Ok, that's the last cookie I feed the troll, but that statement was so many kinds of stupid I couldn't resist responding.

Quote:

Now on topic. Everyone who doesnt have something nice to say, get the fck out of his thread. He asked you nicely in the begining.

And we asked him nicely to explain his stance on various cheats, which he didn't do completely, just some lame attempt to say he won't cheat, but no stance on whether he'll kick members that do cheat. Could you maybe lose your net for another 4 months please.

Toasty · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 2568 **Location:**

deathtoall wrote:

Barotix wrote:

The so called "Venus Confederation" rules are simply rules that are set in place by the Joymax EULA and TOS. These rules are not conjured up at the whims of a few good (wo)men; the rules are universally understood to be applicable to all online games where cheating is thought to be against the mechanics of the game; thus, any "Venus Confederation" rules are to be thought of as the proper interpretation of the EULA and TOS by the legit community. Any other interpretations are wrong. Any interpretation that openly endorses and allows cheating is against the Joymax TOS and EULA and shall be treated as an illegitimate interpretation of the rules laid down by Joymax. All games are run by one unwritten law: Don't cheat. EULAs and TOSs seek to take this unwritten law and expand upon it and protect the company; the Venus confederation seeks to do the same and expand on the unwritten law of not cheating. It is rather simple: Games are not created to be cheated, exploited, bugged, or hacked.

My 2 cents.

Um, baro... Where in the TOS and EULA does it say you cant get powerleveled? Or you cant talk to bots? Half the shit in the confederation rules isnt stated in the TOS. Now on topic. Everyone who doesnt have something nice to say, get the fck out of his thread. He asked you nicely in the begining.

Oh and once more off topic. Nice to see you all keeping up the bot fight..lmao More bots now in Venus than when I lost my net 4 months ago.

Lol are you serious? :banghead:

.. Goldbots dont count.

t0rch · **Joined:** Mar 2008 **Posts:** 759 **Location:** ...

Toasty wrote:

deathtoall wrote:

Barotix wrote:

The so called "Venus Confederation" rules are simply rules that are set in place by the Joymax EULA and TOS. These rules are not conjured up at the whims of a few good (wo)men; the rules are universally understood to be applicable to all online games where cheating is thought to be against the mechanics of the game; thus, any "Venus Confederation" rules are to be thought of as the proper interpretation of the EULA and TOS by the legit community. Any other interpretations are wrong. Any interpretation that openly endorses and allows cheating is against the Joymax TOS and EULA and shall be treated as an illegitimate interpretation of the rules laid down by Joymax. All games are run by one unwritten law: Don't cheat. EULAs and TOSs seek to take this unwritten law and expand upon it and protect the company; the Venus confederation seeks to do the same and expand on the unwritten law of not cheating. It is rather simple: Games are not created to be cheated, exploited, bugged, or hacked.

My 2 cents.

Um, baro... Where in the TOS and EULA does it say you cant get powerleveled? Or you cant talk to bots? Half the shit in the confederation rules isnt stated in the TOS. Now on topic. Everyone who doesnt have something nice to say, get the fck out of his thread. He asked you nicely in the begining.

Oh and once more off topic. Nice to see you all keeping up the bot fight..lmao More bots now in Venus than when I lost my net 4 months ago.

Lol are you serious? :banghead:

.. Goldbots dont count.

Theres like a max of 5 bots at south sama nowadays, the leftovers that didnt go to gaia are just botting in rok praying that someday they'll be strong enough to kill us rofl

Zero_Doom · **Joined:** Jul 2006 **Posts:** 1572 **Location:**

I rarely see bots away from town. Normally they are telling me "fk avalon" at south gate sam. Or talking about how they are so much better then us, and will be taking FW next week! ZOMG!

Shazam! · **Joined:** Apr 2008 **Posts:** 293 **Location:**

nohunta wrote:

LOL Getting bot plvled isnt illegit. Joymax does not say you cant be plvled by a bot. Only says you cant bot. Legit is what Joymax says it is.

@oyukiyo.. Stfu you fail miserably you sound like a 12 year old "Flames are neccesary! gtfo and go play your level 70.

Yeah, exactly. If someone steals a watch and then trys to sell it, it is totally legal and okay to buy it, right?

Thanks for the compliments, I feel so young and fresh, it's awesome. Did my answer really hurt our feelings that much? I feel so sorry now, you should ask your mum for help, maybe she can give you a breast to calm you down.

nightbloom · **Joined:** Jan 2006 **Posts:** 5492 **Location:**

deathtoall wrote:

Barotix wrote:

The so called "Venus Confederation" rules are simply rules that are set in place by the Joymax EULA and TOS. These rules are not conjured up at the whims of a few good (wo)men; the rules are universally understood to be applicable to all online games where cheating is thought to be against the mechanics of the game; thus, any "Venus Confederation" rules are to be thought of as the proper interpretation of the EULA and TOS by the legit community. Any other interpretations are wrong. Any interpretation that openly endorses and allows cheating is against the Joymax TOS and EULA and shall be treated as an illegitimate interpretation of the rules laid down by Joymax. All games are run by one unwritten law: Don't cheat. EULAs and TOSs seek to take this unwritten law and expand upon it and protect the company; the Venus confederation seeks to do the same and expand on the unwritten law of not cheating. It is rather simple: Games are not created to be cheated, exploited, bugged, or hacked.

My 2 cents.

Um, baro... Where in the TOS and EULA does it say you cant get powerleveled? Or you cant talk to bots? Half the shit in the confederation rules isnt stated in the TOS. Now on topic. Everyone who doesnt have something nice to say, get the fck out of his thread. He asked you nicely in the begining.

Oh and once more off topic. Nice to see you all keeping up the bot fight..lmao More bots now in Venus than when I lost my net 4 months ago.

I see that you havent changed a bit, still as quasi-legit as ever. "More bots than evar, hrr hrr hrr hrr" You make Corrupt look like Pollyana and t0rch look straight.

t0rch · **Joined:** Mar 2008 **Posts:** 759 **Location:** ...

Yeah well you make nightbloom look like...well...

no-mk

nightbloom · **Joined:** Jan 2006 **Posts:** 5492 **Location:**

ROFL!

You know I love you in a weird way t0rch. Every girl needs a gay BFF, right?

t0rch · **Joined:** Mar 2008 **Posts:** 759 **Location:** ...

nightbloom wrote:

ROFL!

You know I love you in a weird way t0rch. Every girl needs a gay BFF, right?

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