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 Post subject: Way of the Warrior/Rogue
PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:07 am 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spl4SZ6NAlc&feature=user
A pvp compilation I made since I stopped pvp.
I hope it help out some people who wonder about this build.
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Nice video :). Tho PvP cold bowman and nukers next time. Should be harder. xD


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Awesome! *claps* *claps*

I'm really starting to like Warrior/Rogue ^_^

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Whats the point of warrior/rogue?

Why not sub something like bard/cleric/warlock with either warrior/rogue. it would be more effective.

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I made the clip so that people understand better about this build. Im warrior/rogue myself and I enjoyed it. :)
Its all depend on what you like really, its your choice, stick with it :)

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warrior rogue is indeed versatile.
Still, I don't see many good warrior clerics that you pvped.
Dam i wish i could hop servers whenever I wanted xD

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Whats the point of warrior/rogue?

Why not sub something like bard/cleric/warlock with either warrior/rogue. it would be more effective.

IMO

Just come to mercury and watch him pwn and you will see the point. He is really good. And its fun build, altough require a lo of sp farming, thats only bad thing about it.

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chesticles wrote:
Whats the point of warrior/rogue?

Why not sub something like bard/cleric/warlock with either warrior/rogue. it would be more effective.

IMO

Just come to mercury and watch him pwn and you will see the point. He is really good. And its fun build, altough require a lo of sp farming, thats only bad thing about it.


Not only is it a ton of sp, its a ton of gold as well. at cap you need 4 weapons, as well as a sheild. I find this build to be worthless, but all of them on my server are sunned out/+7 so it doesn't matter what sub they have. Warrior/Celric ftw.


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Shadowfox542 wrote:
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chesticles wrote:
Whats the point of warrior/rogue?

Why not sub something like bard/cleric/warlock with either warrior/rogue. it would be more effective.

IMO

Just come to mercury and watch him pwn and you will see the point. He is really good. And its fun build, altough require a lo of sp farming, thats only bad thing about it.


Not only is it a ton of sp, its a ton of gold as well. at cap you need 4 weapons, as well as a sheild. I find this build to be worthless, but all of them on my server are sunned out/+7 so it doesn't matter what sub they have. Warrior/Celric ftw.

Everybody has different point of view and different interests, I dont argue with that.
I'm a warrior/rogue. The reason I like it is the versatility, beside i am into doing alchemy as well, and I tend to hit at least +7 alots, so having 5,6 different weapons to pimp keep me busy and less bored :P
And yes, I recognized warrior/cleric is a more rounded build, however, I havent encountered a formidable warrior/cleric that can live up to my expectation in my server , yet :wink:
And yes, I do possess +5 sun heavy armor chest and head as well, but my friend is using it since hes 86 and im 90, I'm doing ok with my 90+7 and 89+6 leg and 88+5 head so far :D

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Very nice Video , which recording program you use?

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Omfg too much weapon smitch for me no way i can handle that :banghead:
OnT: Nice video and nice weapon switching!

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Omg that warlock warrior made me cringe, did I see her put weaken on you? LOL
And awesome pvp, I think I saw that rogue cleric with the +9 shield in another video, Superking's video I think?

little off topic but was that first song from FFR? :o

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Berto wrote:
Omg that warlock warrior made me cringe, did I see her put weaken on you? LOL
And awesome pvp, I think I saw that rogue cleric with the +9 shield in another video, Superking's video I think?

little off topic but was that first song from FFR? :o

Its called "Beethoven Virus" :D

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Berto wrote:
Omg that warlock warrior made me cringe, did I see her put weaken on you? LOL
And awesome pvp, I think I saw that rogue cleric with the +9 shield in another video, Superking's video I think?

little off topic but was that first song from FFR? :o

Its called "Beethoven Virus" :D


What is the last song btw ... its really familiar?

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The ONLY thing i don't like about the build is that you are vulnerable to ice. The one thing I love about cleric is immunity.
Would be a good build for a party, warrior for buffs, when all else fails get bless, go dagger, dd scud and pwn (pvp party).
As a weapon switcher myself I'd like to try but i still like cleric better. Ill post a quick fight between me and the best chinese on venus, I'd have more to show but my server sorta sucks for pvp action, just gotta get grace to finish it >:(

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The ONLY thing i don't like about the build is that you are vulnerable to ice. The one thing I love about cleric is immunity.
Would be a good build for a party, warrior for buffs, when all else fails get bless, go dagger, dd scud and pwn (pvp party).
As a weapon switcher myself I'd like to try but i still like cleric better. Ill post a quick fight between me and the best chinese on venus, I'd have more to show but my server sorta sucks for pvp action, just gotta get grace to finish it >:(

I agree with you there!
This build is vulnerable to ice, yes, but if you get ice resistance maxed out on your accessories, it will dramatically reduce frozen time against you. Warrior/cleric is more rounded, but its almost impossible to kill a full farmed blader with ++ sets, full blues or glaiver with protector sets and snow shield on. 2hand does nice damage, but its too slow compared to chinese pot recovery :)

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weymouthhall wrote:
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The ONLY thing i don't like about the build is that you are vulnerable to ice. The one thing I love about cleric is immunity.
Would be a good build for a party, warrior for buffs, when all else fails get bless, go dagger, dd scud and pwn (pvp party).
As a weapon switcher myself I'd like to try but i still like cleric better. Ill post a quick fight between me and the best chinese on venus, I'd have more to show but my server sorta sucks for pvp action, just gotta get grace to finish it >:(

I agree with you there!
This build is vulnerable to ice, yes, but if you get ice resistance maxed out on your accessories, it will dramatically reduce frozen time against you. Warrior/cleric is more rounded, but its almost impossible to kill a full farmed blader with ++ sets, full blues or glaiver with protector sets and snow shield on. 2hand does nice damage, but its too slow compared to chinese pot recovery :)

bladers might be annoying to kill, but they wont kill u either.. so if its a pot war, then ur winning it for sure
glaviers just die with damage return if they have a good weapon !

something else very important.. i noticed u always use "bash" when the opponent is knocked down instead of "triple swing", although the latter is supposed to be much stronger...
is it for the KB chance maybe?

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ahmedsabry wrote:
weymouthhall wrote:
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The ONLY thing i don't like about the build is that you are vulnerable to ice. The one thing I love about cleric is immunity.
Would be a good build for a party, warrior for buffs, when all else fails get bless, go dagger, dd scud and pwn (pvp party).
As a weapon switcher myself I'd like to try but i still like cleric better. Ill post a quick fight between me and the best chinese on venus, I'd have more to show but my server sorta sucks for pvp action, just gotta get grace to finish it >:(

I agree with you there!
This build is vulnerable to ice, yes, but if you get ice resistance maxed out on your accessories, it will dramatically reduce frozen time against you. Warrior/cleric is more rounded, but its almost impossible to kill a full farmed blader with ++ sets, full blues or glaiver with protector sets and snow shield on. 2hand does nice damage, but its too slow compared to chinese pot recovery :)

bladers might be annoying to kill, but they wont kill u either.. so if its a pot war, then ur winning it for sure
glaviers just die with damage return if they have a good weapon !

something else very important.. i noticed u always use "bash" when the opponent is knocked down instead of "triple swing", although the latter is supposed to be much stronger...
is it for the KB chance maybe?

Oh haha, depend on the opponent you are fighting against. Against rogue, its better off using bash to have a chance to knock them back. But really, triple swing and bash, they can be used alternately :D

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blader cant kill 2h?

think again :wink:
may take long but still...

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blader cant kill 2h?

think again :wink:
may take long but still...


Which is why you 2H people need to realize 1H is important. Bladers cant kill a 2H during skins/bless, and cant kill a 1H if the 1h just KBs you constantly. For me, its a pot war until Dare Devil gets at least 1 Crit, then turn rising->Bash and its over. Long goddam fight.


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Shadowfox542 wrote:
CLOT wrote:
blader cant kill 2h?

think again :wink:
may take long but still...


Which is why you 2H people need to realize 1H is important. Bladers cant kill a 2H during skins/bless, and cant kill a 1H if the 1h just KBs you constantly. For me, its a pot war until Dare Devil gets at least 1 Crit, then turn rising->Bash and its over. Long goddam fight.

again why bash and not triple swing?!!!
triple swing is stronger ppl!

Bash: 898-1097 (+267%) {1 time}
Triple Swing: 898-1097 (+114%) {3 times}

actually, u can ignore bash and not farm it in the first place!!

and u dont need 2H to survive a blader with no skins..
u can either switch to cleric rod and buff up urself until those 30 seconds end (u can full buff ur self with cleric in exactly 3 seconds), or just cast healing cycle and/or orbit once every 16 seconds. u can add vital increase if the blader has a good weapon

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i loved it =O
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ahmedsabry wrote:
Shadowfox542 wrote:
CLOT wrote:
blader cant kill 2h?

think again :wink:
may take long but still...


Which is why you 2H people need to realize 1H is important. Bladers cant kill a 2H during skins/bless, and cant kill a 1H if the 1h just KBs you constantly. For me, its a pot war until Dare Devil gets at least 1 Crit, then turn rising->Bash and its over. Long goddam fight.

again why bash and not triple swing?!!!
triple swing is stronger ppl!

Bash: 898-1097 (+267%) {1 time}
Triple Swing: 898-1097 (+114%) {3 times}

actually, u can ignore bash and not farm it in the first place!!

and u dont need 2H to survive a blader with no skins..
u can either switch to cleric rod and buff up urself until those 30 seconds end (u can full buff ur self with cleric in exactly 3 seconds), or just cast healing cycle and/or orbit once every 16 seconds. u can add vital increase if the blader has a good weapon


Bash for bladers because you need a lot of damage quickly.
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Bash hits 10k
Triple swing hits 6k-3k-5k=14k

Blocking can kill you with triple, id rather risk it all in one bash, lol. And if you get bash crit, they're out.


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hmmmmmmmmm
interesting opinion.. LightHeart actually killed a guy in his video with an 18k critting bash.
still if it gets blocked u get nothing at all :(
its just too much farming for a move that can dropped with no problem
not farming bash ALONE will save u 20k sp :roll:

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There ARE 90 ice glaivers out there! <3

(why not use ice imbue, though? :( )


Anyways, liked the video. Thumbs up =]

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There ARE 90 ice glaivers out there! <3

(why not use ice imbue, though? :( )


Anyways, liked the video. Thumbs up =]


there are even 90 ice archers/bladers out there too, juz not too many

a new imbue needs a load of sp farming, thats why they dun farm it up, and MOST euro in mercury are cleric sub (except a few special cases lk lightheart and some warlock sub), so ice is kinda useless against them

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CLOT wrote:
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There ARE 90 ice glaivers out there! <3

(why not use ice imbue, though? :( )


Anyways, liked the video. Thumbs up =]


there are even 90 ice archers/bladers out there too, juz not too many

a new imbue needs a load of sp farming, thats why they dun farm it up, and MOST euro in mercury are cleric sub (except a few special cases lk lightheart and some warlock sub), so ice is kinda useless against them


90 ice archers are a waste, IMO. Combo keeps anyone at a distance. If you get double-DD-critted, you die with or without ice. 90 ice bladers aren't bad, they can make up for the defense they lose with Bicheon Force, but force tree is better for a blader, IMO.

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Bash for bladers because you need a lot of damage quickly.
Ex.
Bash hits 10k
Triple swing hits 6k-3k-5k=14k

Blocking can kill you with triple, id rather risk it all in one bash, lol. And if you get bash crit, they're out.

Makes sense but there is still the chance for crits with triple swing...
There is also blocking with bladers... If he blocks that one move (bash) that time is wasted and he regenerated the hp... If you use triple swing its unlikely he will block all of the hits... and the skills take just about the same time to use. I would gladlyy take my chances with triple swing... unless its against some euro builds.

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