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foudre · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 3604 **Location:**

why is this turning into an argument instead of ways to keep fighting

/Pi · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 4592 **Location:**

^

You're in Venus, duh?

Anyway, the idea you mentioned a while ago about the ongs is pretty good. I might try it, but instead of using return scroll, I can just use return to fortress. xD

Verfo · **Posted:** Sun Jul 27, 2008 8:37 pm

Once i reach 30+ i can ks the bots at ongs with my teh awesome bard

Snowie · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 359 **Location:**

AngloKnight wrote:

oh yeah, 90 legit players slacking after getting capped... I'm considering quitting forever now.. no parties at all.. Yesterday i had to wait for like 2 hours to get a party working for a few mins... its soo lame.. now lots of tankers will be coming from generals, and all we got are lvl 7x wizzies that die while having fences on... its sooo sad...

It's summer and I wanna enjoy it.

IceCrash · **Posted:** Sun Jul 27, 2008 9:19 pm

Snowie wrote:

AngloKnight wrote:

oh yeah, 90 legit players slacking after getting capped... I'm considering quitting forever now.. no parties at all.. Yesterday i had to wait for like 2 hours to get a party working for a few mins... its soo lame.. now lots of tankers will be coming from generals, and all we got are lvl 7x wizzies that die while having fences on... its sooo sad...

It's summer and I wanna enjoy it.

for real i mean.. what were you guys expecting.. lol

Spanktastik · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 689 **Location:**

Barotix wrote:

Yasakira wrote:

Blindfire wrote:

I have a suggestion for Avalon, why not challenge bot guilds to a "loser leaves the server" war. You could even make it loser's union leaves. If you want to eradicate the bots that would be a great way to do it. Not many bot guilds would pass up a chance to make Avalon leave the server.

Cause whoever loses will actually leave right...?

Well, They'll either leave or their Union will disband.

@Blind, I think that's putting to much on the line. Avalon's great but if the bots take every 90 and put it into the guild Avalon will go up against, we'll have a run for our money.

Thats what Pepsi Legend did and we destroyed them.

(although that was 80 cap)

AngelEyes · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 633 **Location:**

Can't say much about the bot traps, but our Wings parties have turned into murder parties lately. The other night we had Val, Grace and Goob go murder on bots, to the point blasjr put a 10m bounty on Goob and Grace each and Val still went to Shaitan in murder status. Then last night, we had at one time 4 of our 8 members red grinding on wings because the same dumb botter kept coming back and I think by the time I left the party, everyone had killed him at least once (except me, please don't hate, I was 2% from leveling and it was late). It was pretty funny listening to everyone going "who wants to murder him next??" "I do, I do. MeMeMeMeMeMeMe"

AngloKnight · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 1504 **Location:**

AngelEyes wrote:

Can't say much about the bot traps, but our Wings parties have turned into murder parties lately. The other night we had Val, Grace and Goob go murder on bots, to the point blasjr put a 10m bounty on Goob and Grace each and Val still went to Shaitan in murder status. Then last night, we had at one time 4 of our 8 members red grinding on wings because the same dumb botter kept coming back and I think by the time I left the party, everyone had killed him at least once (except me, please don't hate, I was 2% from leveling and it was late). It was pretty funny listening to everyone going "who wants to murder him next??" "I do, I do. MeMeMeMeMeMeMe"

GOOBAR, can i murder you??? 50-50 bounty okay???

Talonos · **Posted:** Mon Jul 28, 2008 2:59 pm

Albert Einstein once said “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”.

Without filling slots on Venus with legits insanity is all we have.

Pure_Vigilante · **Joined:** May 2008 **Posts:** 246 **Location:**

FOR THE HORDE!!!!!!!!
(I Dont Slack i Kill Gold Bots In Jangan Constan Samar And All Over I kill Bot Plvls And Parties)

Blindfire · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 3844 **Location:** ...

AngloKnight wrote:

GOOBAR, can i murder you??? 50-50 bounty okay???

Lol, I did that with Grace. He gave me 87 robe boots too which also went to Grace.

Skyve · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 7328 **Location:** Canada

Argonaut wrote:

k1ax wrote:

Anything that the lower levels can do?

Level up.

Rong,
Insult them till they gtfo

Epic1338 · **Joined:** Jul 2008 **Posts:** 5 **Location:**

Barotix wrote:

We are slacking and we are losing. Joymax doing weekly bot bans is not a reason to slack off. Many of you have capped, I understand that; but we have not won this war. Not by a long run. It has only been a few days and already, there are 4x Gold bots in China. The last time I was in Samarkand, I saw a gold bot by dark wolves. Botters and former legits are mocking Avalon&Co. (legits). We are bending over and taking it up the ass.

We are strong
We are few
We are Legit
Don't lose sight of how Venus was created, for that battle has not been won. We still have a long ways ahead of us and we need to concentrate on removing the botter menace.

Currently player bots are running their own gold bot and filling our server with their muck. Do you honestly think that Bot Traps should stop because Joymax is banning bots? When was the last time someone has done a bot trap? When was the last time one of the Bigger guilds ran a Bot Guild off the server? Where is the animosity? Do not forget where we are and what we're here to do.

So here is my suggestion:
We forget the past and move towards a better tomorrow. Together we can make this legit server a permanent reality, not just a temporary thrill.

1]Reform the alliance but ONLY for the sake of keeping botters down.
2]Daily bot traps.
3]PvP Training. Yes, training. Since this server is predominantly European (or so it seems), we must know not only how to grind, but also; how to fight. No more losing to botters, and no more barely winning wars.
4]When Botters Mock you, there are two things you can do. A]Don't respond, B]Respond. Once you respond, you must continue. If you stop halfway, then that will just be a win in the botters mind.
5]Calling botters out for PvP.
6]Making bots murder training.
7]We need some murder accounts. I suggest warlocks around 6x in NPC gear. They will be used to ruin bot plvls at ongs.

We need to make their life miserable. ALL OF US.

GET A LIFE!

Argonaut · **Joined:** Jun 2008 **Posts:** 1162 **Location:**

Epic1338 wrote:

GET A LIFE!

non ego man · **Posted:** Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:08 pm

Epic1338 wrote:

GET A LIFE!

You're not Sleepy1338 are you? Coming to Venus because you were banned on Oasis?

AkillerNXC · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 1014 **Location:**

Epic1338 wrote:

Barotix wrote:

We are slacking and we are losing. Joymax doing weekly bot bans is not a reason to slack off. Many of you have capped, I understand that; but we have not won this war. Not by a long run. It has only been a few days and already, there are 4x Gold bots in China. The last time I was in Samarkand, I saw a gold bot by dark wolves. Botters and former legits are mocking Avalon&Co. (legits). We are bending over and taking it up the ass.

We are strong
We are few
We are Legit
Don't lose sight of how Venus was created, for that battle has not been won. We still have a long ways ahead of us and we need to concentrate on removing the botter menace.

Currently player bots are running their own gold bot and filling our server with their muck. Do you honestly think that Bot Traps should stop because Joymax is banning bots? When was the last time someone has done a bot trap? When was the last time one of the Bigger guilds ran a Bot Guild off the server? Where is the animosity? Do not forget where we are and what we're here to do.

So here is my suggestion:
We forget the past and move towards a better tomorrow. Together we can make this legit server a permanent reality, not just a temporary thrill.

1]Reform the alliance but ONLY for the sake of keeping botters down.
2]Daily bot traps.
3]PvP Training. Yes, training. Since this server is predominantly European (or so it seems), we must know not only how to grind, but also; how to fight. No more losing to botters, and no more barely winning wars.
4]When Botters Mock you, there are two things you can do. A]Don't respond, B]Respond. Once you respond, you must continue. If you stop halfway, then that will just be a win in the botters mind.
5]Calling botters out for PvP.
6]Making bots murder training.
7]We need some murder accounts. I suggest warlocks around 6x in NPC gear. They will be used to ruin bot plvls at ongs.

We need to make their life miserable. ALL OF US.

GET A LIFE!

Some would take that as bot support. :roll:

Barotix · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 9250 **Location:** Sand

Epic1338 wrote:

GET A LIFE!

I'm going to assume you're an Idiot. Kthxbai. :roll:

k1ax · **Posted:** Sat Aug 02, 2008 11:24 pm

BUMP!

Zanam · **Joined:** Jul 2008 **Posts:** 139 **Location:**

i gots an idea lets go to turk land and steal everyones computer!

tedo · **Posted:** Mon Aug 04, 2008 8:26 pm

you first lol, unless you give me one hell of a long grabbing stick

Smoked · **Joined:** May 2008 **Posts:** 80 **Location:**

Well this idea of Barotix is similar to what I've been thinking. Since fly feels that BHA in general hasn't been doing it's part in the war against bots on the server, people should create alternates with the sole purpose of disrupting bot plvls and murdering bots. Every advertised plvl that is on party match should be attacked, by 1) killing off levelees or 2) killing off leveler or 3) kill stealing. All these alternates should have a sole purpose which is when they're online, all they are doing is hunting every party match bot lvl party or roaming looking for chin gold bots. Secondly, these alternates should be all in the same guild. 3rdly, half should be thieves, half should be hunters. Venus has so many admitted botters, I didn't understand why Zest would go around spying on legit parties or legit players and receive credit for it. If there's even 1 post in party match offering bot plvls, that's one too many. Obviously, it takes some coordination and team work for this plan to work and indeed, most of Avalon would claim that Avalon itself doesn't need alternates, it does this all the time. But this would be a combined guild of any legits that want to fight bots full time and being online means that you're not stalling, chatting, caping around, or making trade runs, it means you're actually fighting. Seems a bit grandiose but I'll but it out there as my constructive input and see what happens.

non ego man · **Posted:** Mon Aug 04, 2008 11:24 pm

Prior to the weekly bot bans, we considered running constant bot traps around Jangan. Those have become somewhat unnecessary now...there just aren't that many goldbots around jangan anymore. Now there are other ways to harass botters. Organizing the methods and timing of this should be a priority.

Smoked · **Joined:** May 2008 **Posts:** 80 **Location:**

non ego man wrote:

Prior to the weekly bot bans, we considered running constant bot traps around Jangan. Those have become somewhat unnecessary now...there just aren't that many goldbots around jangan anymore. Now there are other ways to harass botters. Organizing the methods and timing of this should be a priority.

I've seen several on the west side of Hotan killing ultras.

Zero_Doom · **Joined:** Jul 2006 **Posts:** 1572 **Location:**

Just wanted to point out to all those who think we are "losing the war", your wrong. Our unions grow stronger every day, and more and more guilds continue to join the cause in joining the whitelist and complying with the rules set down by the confederation.

Confederation Whitelist

We may be slacking compared with the way it was a few months ago, but we definitely aren't losing.

tedo · **Posted:** Thu Aug 07, 2008 4:34 am

only reason we are slacking as individuals is because there is a hell of a lot MORE of us lol

so everyone can do a smaller chunk and still get the same amount of work done

that is to say if you really believe we are slacking >=]

Fly · **Joined:** Feb 2006 **Posts:** 2114 **Location:**

everyone kept saying that they were contibuting and helping out and we should be nicer and stop calling them lazy leechers, so avalon backed off a little bit.

if you really wanted avalon to continue leading the war on bots and useing our old effective methods, maybe you guys should of shown more respect. we will continue holding the fortress and in doing so we will keep the legit server dream alive. but when you want Epic union or Archangels union or any other big bot union run off venus, i expect to see you on your knees kissing my ass. im not going to work my ass off and lose members in the process to make the server a better experiance for the ungreatfull backstabbers.

Guardia · **Joined:** Dec 2006 **Posts:** 1187 **Location:**

Fortress War state.

Today is the day where we can see who's really want to defend Venus. Avalon union against all botters in fortress war. It's sad that none of the BHA registered. Who's the one that's been slacking? We're here, we're doing our part. Did u do ur part? Are u doing ur part? Or you would rather enjoy the server and let us do the hard work (Fort). I'm not talking in generals. I'm talking about the Fortress. Dont underestimate the fortress advantage in our war against botters. Once they have it, we all can say good bye to Venus. U wont realize it until u lost it. It's been there since the beginning, that made u guys think it's not important. You would say it's Avalon fortress and they should defend it themselves. U're dead wrong. It's the legits of venus fort. Dont tell me none of the BHA union get some gold from fly to build up their guilds. I for once never get a penny out of it and i'm still here defending the fort from day 1. U need to step up and do ur part.

We're finally alone in this one. Wish us luck. Thanks for playing on Venus. We'll keep defending it for you.

MrJoey · **Posted:** Thu Aug 07, 2008 5:48 am

Hmm... No offense Guardia, but the last two or three FWs, Avalon has been alone for those as well. BHA attacked the last one or two, and the one before, didn't do anything at all if I remember right. Why are you making a big deal now?

TOloseGT · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 7129 **Location:**

i'm just disappointed that i had to take a break. good luck avalon.

Yasakira · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 573 **Location:**

Uehara wrote:

Fortress War state.

Today is the day where we can see who's really want to defend Venus. Avalon union against all botters in fortress war. It's sad that none of the BHA registered. Who's the one that's been slacking? We're here, we're doing our part. Did u do ur part? Are u doing ur part? Or you would rather enjoy the server and let us do the hard work (Fort). I'm not talking in generals. I'm talking about the Fortress. Dont underestimate the fortress advantage in our war against botters. Once they have it, we all can say good bye to Venus. U wont realize it until u lost it. It's been there since the beginning, that made u guys think it's not important. You would say it's Avalon fortress and they should defend it themselves. U're dead wrong. It's the legits of venus fort. Dont tell me none of the BHA union get some gold from fly to build up their guilds. I for once never get a penny out of it and i'm still here defending the fort from day 1. U need to step up and do ur part.

We're finally alone in this one. Wish us luck. Thanks for playing on Venus. We'll keep defending it for you.

I had a good laugh reading this post. If its anyones fault that Avalon loses the FW its your own. BHA used to come and help when we were allies. We were not shown the respect and equality we deserve from Avalon and because of that helping you defend the FW is not a high priority.

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