WARRIOR and Rouge Subclass.

I_R_Powerpuff · **Joined:** Jul 2008 **Posts:** 1158 **Location:** IRL

Whats your thoughts on this build?
I've heard Vortex got this build and apparently he is very good in PvP.

When is this build getting any good? (Kinda like STR Archers gets good at 76 cause of Stun & KB)

I think that the Rougepart must be good when grinding, also.
The Warrior is only for PvP..?

Jaapii · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 1542 **Location:** Belgium

Lol there is no such thing as a warrior with rogue SUBCLASS, they're both main classes

I_R_Powerpuff · **Joined:** Jul 2008 **Posts:** 1158 **Location:** IRL

Well, ignore that typo then and add something good to this topic.

Found the videos that i refeered to.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhcQJLzMquI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80Lj89mfn2A

Vortex, pvping.

noobert mclagg · **Posted:** Sat Aug 02, 2008 10:09 pm

Jaapii wrote:

Lol there is no such thing as a warrior with rogue SUBCLASS, they're both main classes

All classes can b main classes

. Back to the original question, now that I think about it it would be pretty ownage to use stealth+Xbow in the beginning of the match then when he get close switch to 2H and use daredevil on his ass.

weymouthhall · **Joined:** Mar 2008 **Posts:** 219 **Location:**

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raTIeTJrbxY

BabyBoy · **Joined:** Dec 2007 **Posts:** 119 **Location:**

^ Lightheart is probably one of the best pvpers in Mercury and he has the exact same build. I'm not experienced in this build, although it is clear that it requires a whole lot of SP, although it seems worth it in the end.

I_R_Powerpuff · **Joined:** Jul 2008 **Posts:** 1158 **Location:** IRL

weymouthhall wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raTIeTJrbxY

WOW!
That was cool!

What skills did you take for it?
With that i can also calculate the SP requirement.

weymouthhall · **Joined:** Mar 2008 **Posts:** 219 **Location:**

I_R_Powerpuff wrote:

weymouthhall wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raTIeTJrbxY

WOW!
That was cool!

What skills did you take for it?
With that i can also calculate the SP requirement.

Pretty much 2hand, xbow, dagger full attack skills and 1hand passive skills with shield trash

Grimm-.- · **Posted:** Tue Aug 05, 2008 12:57 pm

... Meh.

I would rather go 2h/Cleric

Tank more against very strong opponents.

Besides both are really good builds as a main...
What Lightheart was doing is smart but warrior isnt needed. (Were he knocks the opponent down and does mortal wounds.)
He could just do it with crossbow and probably get off more damage. Then weapon switch.
Although that is a really nice build he has... and awesome weapon switching.

but if you go with that build, you don't choose one of the other in pvp. the more weapon switching a euro uses the stronger he will be. so use both together. Ex. Lightheart

muyo · **Posted:** Tue Aug 05, 2008 10:48 pm

interesting build...luv alternative build

but to save sp, isnt it good to have warrior full farm skill and get only necessary skill for grinding with xbow since xbow have good damage and only get dagger skill that hit opponent on the ground.

can somebody recommend skill for xbow and dagger that is just enough for the above

Confused · **Joined:** Oct 2007 **Posts:** 149 **Location:** Sweden

guys b4 u start lvling a warrior/rouge..
look on rev6 ans see what vortex has for gear..
hes like full sun 9d
http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=16267

whit all that suns a str bard could own lol

muyo · **Posted:** Tue Aug 05, 2008 11:25 pm

confuse, vortex pvp video is good. but i believe they are talking about Lightheart now. Both Vortex and LH are warrior/rouge but LH video shows more how to play with dual class.

ahmedsabry · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 615 **Location:**

+1
lightheart makes it look easy anyway.. trust me, the switch is FAR harder than it looks!
still the build is overlooked IMHO. it IS a very cool build really, so ppl are just so hyped up about it, but the build lacks one key tool for any euro.. "holy spell". warrior/rogues are especially vulnerable to anything/warlock builds. normally any euro either had "holy spell" to keep him from being destroyed by others with warlock sub, or just had a warlock sub himself. unfortunately the pure melee build lacks either.. and by the addition of the pot delay, any pvp against a warlock will end in no time, and all the expensive pills in the world wont keep that from happening.
he could still count on his teammates to cast holy spell for him, but thats not available all the time, and is not available at all in 1v1 pvp, which the build is supposed to shine at.

weymouthhall · **Joined:** Mar 2008 **Posts:** 219 **Location:**

ahmedsabry wrote:

+1
lightheart makes it look easy anyway.. trust me, the switch is FAR harder than it looks!
still the build is overlooked IMHO. it IS a very cool build really, so ppl are just so hyped up about it, but the build lacks one key tool for any euro.. "holy spell". warrior/rogues are especially vulnerable to anything/warlock builds. normally any euro either had "holy spell" to keep him from being destroyed by others with warlock sub, or just had a warlock sub himself. unfortunately the pure melee build lacks either.. and by the addition of the pot delay, any pvp against a warlock will end in no time, and all the expensive pills in the world wont keep that from happening.
he could still count on his teammates to cast holy spell for him, but thats not available all the time, and is not available at all in 1v1 pvp, which the build is supposed to shine at.

+1
Totally agree with your point of view there

This build, without cleric's holy spell, is, like the rest of the build thats not cleric sub, is vulnerable against warlock sub builds. YET, I somehow managed to fare quite well against warlock sub builds myself. Agree that without pills, once warlock debuffs you and start attacking, 90% of the time u are dead.
Take rogue warlock as an example. They will debuffs you first, stun, slumber you, then use xbow xtreme or dagger desperate and start dealing massive damages after massive damages. And decurse pills can only be used once every 18 secs, same as dagger desperate or xbow xtreme cool down time. So soon as rogue turn on xbow xtreme or dagger desperate, start spamming decurse pills, with all the decurse status cured, as soon as rogue touches you, you already wake up, and thats when rogue is most vulnerable as well since he/ she is using xbow xtreme or dagger desperate for maximum possible damages. Start out with sword/shield, knock them back, sprint assault, quickly change to 2handsword, knock down on the floor, if not successful, follow up by bash, which will have 35% chance knocking them back, then recylce turn rising(knock down skill) again, once they are on the floor, dagger desperate and mortal wounds should be able to finish them. Thats my way against warlock subs, its all depend on the timing and situation adaptations, imo

And yes, this build is a cool build, but not many have been successful with this build. Not to be boasting, but I pride myself in discovering, combining and utilizing this build almost to its max use. Many warrior/rogues followed my way but none has ever accomplished and succeeded in this build as well as I am. Im pretty sure I am better at this build then Vortex :wink:

muyo · **Posted:** Wed Aug 06, 2008 3:05 am

dual class where both class needed to be offensive(unlike buff) need more work on your finger.

yeah of course there a pros and cons.no sub can fullfill all weakness from their build.
-sub warlock- vs cleric base is a challenge.Ull are luckier if u r warrior then u r rogue when fighting w/o warlock debuff. then again 1h for e.g kill slow w/o warlock and less defense when u r rogue:P

CLOT · **Joined:** Nov 2007 **Posts:** 825 **Location:**

http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=6032

lightheart has gay gear too !!!

muyo · **Posted:** Wed Aug 06, 2008 4:59 am

yeah

chest+7...currently when i success +5 all my gear, i dont bother going any further..unless i use astral:P

ahmedsabry · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 615 **Location:**

weymouthhall wrote:

ahmedsabry wrote:

+1
lightheart makes it look easy anyway.. trust me, the switch is FAR harder than it looks!
still the build is overlooked IMHO. it IS a very cool build really, so ppl are just so hyped up about it, but the build lacks one key tool for any euro.. "holy spell". warrior/rogues are especially vulnerable to anything/warlock builds. normally any euro either had "holy spell" to keep him from being destroyed by others with warlock sub, or just had a warlock sub himself. unfortunately the pure melee build lacks either.. and by the addition of the pot delay, any pvp against a warlock will end in no time, and all the expensive pills in the world wont keep that from happening.
he could still count on his teammates to cast holy spell for him, but thats not available all the time, and is not available at all in 1v1 pvp, which the build is supposed to shine at.

+1
Totally agree with your point of view there

This build, without cleric's holy spell, is, like the rest of the build thats not cleric sub, is vulnerable against warlock sub builds. YET, I somehow managed to fare quite well against warlock sub builds myself. Agree that without pills, once warlock debuffs you and start attacking, 90% of the time u are dead.
Take rogue warlock as an example. They will debuffs you first, stun, slumber you, then use xbow xtreme or dagger desperate and start dealing massive damages after massive damages. And decurse pills can only be used once every 18 secs, same as dagger desperate or xbow xtreme cool down time. So soon as rogue turn on xbow xtreme or dagger desperate, start spamming decurse pills, with all the decurse status cured, as soon as rogue touches you, you already wake up, and thats when rogue is most vulnerable as well since he/ she is using xbow xtreme or dagger desperate for maximum possible damages. Start out with sword/shield, knock them back, sprint assault, quickly change to 2handsword, knock down on the floor, if not successful, follow up by bash, which will have 35% chance knocking them back, then recylce turn rising(knock down skill) again, once they are on the floor, dagger desperate and mortal wounds should be able to finish them. Thats my way against warlock subs, its all depend on the timing and situation adaptations, imo

And yes, this build is a cool build, but not many have been successful with this build. Not to be boasting, but I pride myself in discovering, combining and utilizing this build almost to its max use. Many warrior/rogues followed my way but none has ever accomplished and succeeded in this build as well as I am. Im pretty sure I am better at this build then Vortex :wink:

sounds like a decent strategy..

try to post any pvp against warrior/lock or rogue/lock in ur next video plzzzzzzzz

back to topic.. the rogue/lock can still counter this by switching to shield then warlock rod when he see's the opponent using pills, but this needs very fast reactions though.
i heard "phunkism" deleveled his rogue/lock for a warrior/lock.. might be cuz he has been countered by strategies similar to this one lately.. switching to 2H after debuffing wont leave u vulnerable like being in DD (although the DMG is less ofcourse)

CLOT · **Joined:** Nov 2007 **Posts:** 825 **Location:**

there is no rogue/warlock in mercury
and the only high lvl warrior/warlock back in 80 cap has stop playing

so...

noobert mclagg · **Posted:** Wed Aug 06, 2008 4:09 pm

weymouthhall wrote:

ahmedsabry wrote:

+1
lightheart makes it look easy anyway.. trust me, the switch is FAR harder than it looks!
still the build is overlooked IMHO. it IS a very cool build really, so ppl are just so hyped up about it, but the build lacks one key tool for any euro.. "holy spell". warrior/rogues are especially vulnerable to anything/warlock builds. normally any euro either had "holy spell" to keep him from being destroyed by others with warlock sub, or just had a warlock sub himself. unfortunately the pure melee build lacks either.. and by the addition of the pot delay, any pvp against a warlock will end in no time, and all the expensive pills in the world wont keep that from happening.
he could still count on his teammates to cast holy spell for him, but thats not available all the time, and is not available at all in 1v1 pvp, which the build is supposed to shine at.

+1
Totally agree with your point of view there

This build, without cleric's holy spell, is, like the rest of the build thats not cleric sub, is vulnerable against warlock sub builds. YET, I somehow managed to fare quite well against warlock sub builds myself. Agree that without pills, once warlock debuffs you and start attacking, 90% of the time u are dead.
Take rogue warlock as an example. They will debuffs you first, stun, slumber you, then use xbow xtreme or dagger desperate and start dealing massive damages after massive damages. And decurse pills can only be used once every 18 secs, same as dagger desperate or xbow xtreme cool down time. So soon as rogue turn on xbow xtreme or dagger desperate, start spamming decurse pills, with all the decurse status cured, as soon as rogue touches you, you already wake up, and thats when rogue is most vulnerable as well since he/ she is using xbow xtreme or dagger desperate for maximum possible damages. Start out with sword/shield, knock them back, sprint assault, quickly change to 2handsword, knock down on the floor, if not successful, follow up by bash, which will have 35% chance knocking them back, then recylce turn rising(knock down skill) again, once they are on the floor, dagger desperate and mortal wounds should be able to finish them. Thats my way against warlock subs, its all depend on the timing and situation adaptations, imo

And yes, this build is a cool build, but not many have been successful with this build. Not to be boasting, but I pride myself in discovering, combining and utilizing this build almost to its max use. Many warrior/rogues followed my way but none has ever accomplished and succeeded in this build as well as I am. Im pretty sure I am better at this build then Vortex :wink:

Wat about warlock/cleric, they always have warlock rod out so its like constant debuffing and stunning.

weymouthhall · **Joined:** Mar 2008 **Posts:** 219 **Location:**

noobert mclagg wrote:

weymouthhall wrote:

ahmedsabry wrote:

+1
lightheart makes it look easy anyway.. trust me, the switch is FAR harder than it looks!
still the build is overlooked IMHO. it IS a very cool build really, so ppl are just so hyped up about it, but the build lacks one key tool for any euro.. "holy spell". warrior/rogues are especially vulnerable to anything/warlock builds. normally any euro either had "holy spell" to keep him from being destroyed by others with warlock sub, or just had a warlock sub himself. unfortunately the pure melee build lacks either.. and by the addition of the pot delay, any pvp against a warlock will end in no time, and all the expensive pills in the world wont keep that from happening.
he could still count on his teammates to cast holy spell for him, but thats not available all the time, and is not available at all in 1v1 pvp, which the build is supposed to shine at.

+1
Totally agree with your point of view there

This build, without cleric's holy spell, is, like the rest of the build thats not cleric sub, is vulnerable against warlock sub builds. YET, I somehow managed to fare quite well against warlock sub builds myself. Agree that without pills, once warlock debuffs you and start attacking, 90% of the time u are dead.
Take rogue warlock as an example. They will debuffs you first, stun, slumber you, then use xbow xtreme or dagger desperate and start dealing massive damages after massive damages. And decurse pills can only be used once every 18 secs, same as dagger desperate or xbow xtreme cool down time. So soon as rogue turn on xbow xtreme or dagger desperate, start spamming decurse pills, with all the decurse status cured, as soon as rogue touches you, you already wake up, and thats when rogue is most vulnerable as well since he/ she is using xbow xtreme or dagger desperate for maximum possible damages. Start out with sword/shield, knock them back, sprint assault, quickly change to 2handsword, knock down on the floor, if not successful, follow up by bash, which will have 35% chance knocking them back, then recylce turn rising(knock down skill) again, once they are on the floor, dagger desperate and mortal wounds should be able to finish them. Thats my way against warlock subs, its all depend on the timing and situation adaptations, imo

And yes, this build is a cool build, but not many have been successful with this build. Not to be boasting, but I pride myself in discovering, combining and utilizing this build almost to its max use. Many warrior/rogues followed my way but none has ever accomplished and succeeded in this build as well as I am. Im pretty sure I am better at this build then Vortex :wink:

Wat about warlock/cleric, they always have warlock rod out so its like constant debuffing and stunning.

Yea, that build, they can constant debuff you, but only problem is that they dont have much hp loolz, so you just gotta time it right and deal some damages

bleed214 · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 171 **Location:**

^hi much sp did you have to farm? i got really inspired after seeing your vids

. w/o the 1H sword, just the 2H sword and rogue skills, would that require more than 1m sp? thanks ^^

weymouthhall · **Joined:** Mar 2008 **Posts:** 219 **Location:**

bleed214 wrote:

^hi much sp did you have to farm? i got really inspired after seeing your vids

. w/o the 1H sword, just the 2H sword and rogue skills, would that require more than 1m sp? thanks ^^

Oh no no, loolz, 1mil sp requirement is quite exaggerated loolz.
My build for 90 capp full farmed, it takes roughe 600-750k sp total, you just have to upgrade the necessary skills from 2hand, max all, xbow, max most except rapid shot, dagger, max most except poison power up, scud(faster movement for 15 secs), other rogue skills like beast mask, duplicate, it is fun to have but not neccessary.

muyo · **Posted:** Thu Aug 07, 2008 5:35 am

i am currently level 64 warrior/rogue(finally i chose rogue as sub)

is it ok to only max xbow skill that have,kd+kb?i skip long and rapid skill and CE coz i use it only to grind and most important for farming^^

i also want to ask anybody how dual axe protection work? since i want 2h+DA+rogue. Maybe DA strategy can be adapted into this build against warlock?

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