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 Post subject: Euro Warrior Advice
PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 11:08 am 
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My char is lvl64, with warrior mastery 60/ cleric mastery 60, i have 1hand sword skills up to 60, 2h sword skills up to 52, and cleric buffs and some healings, division, ress also at 60.. I had just the 1h sword skills till lv52, then i farmed and got the 2h also at the same lvl, but although it had massive damage overpower against 1h sword, and it really usefull against lower lvl mobs "uniques" compared to 1h, i feel like i did a mistake of wasting my SP on it, although my big plan was to cap and have all the warrior skills "1h, 2h, and dual axe", but recently im getting bored of not lvling up fast, and i'm thinking to remove the 2h sword skills to lower my gap and lvl up faster, i need any advice or suggestions regarding that..

Another thing is, i feel like its a waste of sub for a warrior to be cleric, although specially that in my case "1h sword" and having sub "cleric" i would be almost invincible against most builds, and i usually win in pvp and even 1v2 sometimes with same lvls as me, thanks to the cleric buffs and skills.. but still, i rarely solo, and i do get bored of soloing very easily and in most of my grinding, i do parties with euros, and usually we have cleric\s in the party, so i feel when im playing in parties specially, i wont be using my sub at all, unless i need to ress all the clerics if they died, and that wont happen thanks to the warrior buffs, so i was thinking of instead having an int based sub "cleric", i would rather have a str based sub "rogue" to take the fully advantage of being full str char, and also im a big fan of DD.

I just want to hear some thoughts regarding that.

And my current decision is to build my char as it is till the cap "which is 90 so far" and then i will decide if i gonna change my sub to rogue or not.

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 Post subject: Re: Euro Warrior Advice
PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 5:59 pm 
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if it annoys you that much, go to nivlam.com and calculate how mcuh sp is needed to max cleric and 1 h skills to 90. and then check the gap you need to get there. i recommend just lvling these two first and get to 90 as soon as possible. then you can farm again then to bring up your skills


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 Post subject: Re: Euro Warrior Advice
PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 11:09 pm 
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1.yep, go nivlam.com and check how many sp and gap u need to lvl 1h/cleric (1h cuz u say that u like play in partys and u get bored at solo, 1h is for partys 2h for solo grinding) later u can farm for the 2h

2.sub rogue need more sp than sub cleric, in party u are not going to use rogue, ur job is lure ,tank and give buff, noone want a rogue in a party only if they have sub bard cuz the guard tambour and other buff in a euro party, sub cleric is a lot more usefull in a party than sub rogue. maybe u lvl slow in pt cuz the gap, in pt kill mobs that have like 7-10lvls more than you and the party, the perfect euro party in my opinion is:
-2 warriors
-1cleric
-2bards
-3 wizards or 5wiz -2warriors -1cleric

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 Post subject: Re: Euro Warrior Advice
PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 11:21 pm 
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carnage wrote:
the perfect euro party in my opinion is:
-2 warriors
-1cleric
-2bards
-3 wizards or 5wiz -2warriors -1cleric

That first one I'll agree with, but not the second. Don't leave fragile Ints who drag a lot of aggro unbuffed...

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 Post subject: Re: Euro Warrior Advice
PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 12:19 am 
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Perfect euro party:

3 warriors
2 wizards
2 bards
1 cleric

Also a xbow rogue can play instead of a warrior to lure mobs.

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 Post subject: Re: Euro Warrior Advice
PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 12:36 am 
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NobleHunter wrote:
Perfect euro party:

3 warriors
2 wizards
2 bards
1 cleric

Also a xbow rogue can play instead of a warrior to lure mobs.


warrior in party = tank, lure and buff
rogue in party = call mobs, not lure cuz they cant hold the aggro in the mobs
thats why u dont see often rogues in euro party only if they have sub bard for buff <.< or if there is no other wizard to join in the pt

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 Post subject: Re: Euro Warrior Advice
PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 4:09 am 
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The main idea of choosing rogue as a sub was to participate in solos more often, because of the fast grinding, i dont think i would be bored. I also can taxi other people and gain some money, and i can go DD in parties where they have 3 or more warriors. And all of my parties are known to be euro only, and many hate that in me, but thats the best way to party, and i usually grind with parties with mobs atleast 11 lvls higher, but lately the issue is that they "party friends" got higher lvls faster than me, and im the only one late behind, so sometimes they go to mobs 15 lvls higher than me, i would still be able to tank, thanks to the cleric, but i wont be getting much exp, thats why i would like to lvl up faster to be within same range as them.

And about the perfect party, is to have:
- 2 Warriors "prefferably 1h swords, with vital increase and buffs"
- 2 Wizards "with life control and AOE attacks"
- 2 Bards "two tambours and one dance, while both attacks, and keep cleric mana up"
- 1 Cleric "just keep healing, and some offerings"
- 1 warlock "to debuff party mobs and giants"

But as i would agree, in most cases rogue have no place in a euro party, but they can be very effective in LURING mobs, a party of 2 warriors "buffing the wizards and cleric" 4 wizards "with life turnover, maybe one not if not buffed" 1 cleric "to keep the HP up" 1 rouge "xbow - to just lure the mobs to the area"

it would be like wizards are surrounding the warriors, and the rouge bring the mobs toward the warriors, warriors taunt/shout, and then wizards nuke, and the rogue just lure and keep the mobs coming and wizards nuking.

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 Post subject: Re: Euro Warrior Advice
PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 2:58 pm 
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for lvl solo yes rogue works great, but IMO what a rogue in a party do about lure mobs, thats the job of the warriors, lets say the rogue lure mobs then they come to the party area and attack the wiz or clerics cuz not all have buff ,the party die, and the rogue can lure but cant hold them in a same place and if he do, he die, the point of have 2 bards is increase the wizards attacks and defence, so there is no need or a rogue for damage cuz is better have a wizard and is better have warrior that can buff, lure, tank and no a rogue that just lure.

the warrior rogue can be versatil cuz can warrior in party and solo to lvl fast, but u will need a lot of sp for these build = more gap = lvl slow

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 Post subject: Re: Euro Warrior Advice
PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 4:07 pm 
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Indeed, I feel the same way.
Unless you want to be total support character and you want to kill yourself as well, then taking cleric as sub, would be a mistake. Now I want to delevel my whole cleric sub and take rogue/warlock instead.


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