So there was once a guy/gal dude/dudette person with the following in his sig:
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Put "0x33" somewhere in your sig. Talk openly about, admit to, or suggest botting in a thread. Ask about how to buy, offer to sell, or post links to bot clients, etc. DOING ANY OF THESE THINGS WILL RESULT IN AN INSTANT BAN.
I appreciate his/her sense of irony. I also appreciate the feeling one gets when he/she does what I call "cliff walking". That's when somebody chooses to walk the edge of the cliff, knowing full well that he/she is skirting certain 'death'.
Now about 'witch hunting' But first, a little about 'me'.
Gamer: I've been playing massive multi-player online games since Diablo when it first went online
Purist: Over the years my 'stance' is to do nothing that the game designers did not intend
RP'r: WoW has different server types: PvP, 'Normal' and RP. They also now have hybrids. I respect the RP value, "don't do it if it detracts from another person's game experience".
To 'me' SilkroadOnline is a very enjoyable game. I like it better than WoW (World of Warcraft) because it seems to attract smarter players I also enjoy my time here (in this forum) because there are similar minded people who congregate here.
The historic purpose of a FORUM is derived from a public square of a ancient Rome. A place of assembly for the people to come together for the discussion of questions of public interest. There is also (in History) a place in Rome called "THE FORUM". It is typically a public meeting place for open discussion.
Dichotomies: That happens normally where confusion exists. Confusion (to me) is where division happens into two mutually exclusive, opposed, or contradictory thoughts that are given equal value. The natural action when considering a dichotomy is: "When in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout." It is a swirling type of thing, but I'm 'dizzy' anyway, so it doesn't matter (to me).
So, here (in SRF) when we enter a forum (for open discussion), that has as it's base a group that which excludes 'botters', there exists a dichotomy. Society defines groups by those whom are excluded. If we spoke of the "Old man's club" that would be defined best by those who can not join (much to the chagrin of the Feminist movement). But if, and on the other hand, some old man wanted to join the Feminists for Peace group he too might be met with an askance look (with a side glance; sidewise; obliquely).
Herein lies the irony & the dichotomy, if you will, and the confusion (so called). Then enter the 'legit' witch hunters. You know who you are. These are those who have expanded the reasonable definition beyond 'purist' or 'legit' (those who do nothing that the game designers did not intend). Their thoughts strike me as "A man is known by the company he keeps" and their attempt to redefine the term 'legit' is suspicious (to me) in a "Methinks the lady doth protest too much," kind of way.
Shakespeare wrote:
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks."
Hamlet Act 3, scene 2
Queen Gertrude's line is both drier than the misquotation (thanks to the delayed "methinks") and much more ironic.
I find myself looking at these with an askance glance. Words are said like, "We accept ex-botters if there is a real commitment. All too often (like those alcoholics who join AA only to 'fall off the wagon') their commitment wavers." Now wait just a second there, buddy. I'm a recovering alcoholic with 15 years sobriety. - lol, it's ok, I understand.
To me? It is perfectly fine to create a group (or guild) in your own town or city or server that excludes anybody. I have actually created a "Don't bother me" guild for the guild tag alone and limited membership to "me, myself, and Irene" (in other games). The only 'problem' that I found was again by the way of confusion. Ppl didn't know if my AFK tag and my Guild tag should be taken seriously. They just concluded that I was 'interesting' and kept right on doing what they were doing... Question, if a man speaks in a quiet voice and thereby cause the city and the inhabitants to be saved? Will that man be remembered? Can he/she slay them with soft words? I do understand. But what is 'understanding'? If knowledge can be called 'silver' and if wisdom can be called 'gold', what is understanding? Understanding is to depart evil.
But then again, 'they' enter. 'They' being 'them kind'. You know 'em. We all do.
And now 'they' desire to expand their newly conceived definition of 'no-bot' to include excluding me and those like me. These are witch-hunters. They go about looking for reason to suspect others. If you associate or party with a witch, you are a witch. Burn 'em at the stake. The problem comes from the increased sensitivity that comes with the task of witch hunting itself. Suffer not a witch to life with you or your 'legits'. Suffer thou not.
Harry Houdini used to expose charlatans. He believed in the 'spirit world' and told his wife he would speak to her from the grave. One of the 'tricks' he employed was to cause the skin of his ankle to become very sensitive by various methods. Then, when the fakir tried to be subtle and move his/her foot he could feel it. In the same way, these suspicious types have sensitized themselves to the 'tricks'. I've heard that if you say "%!~~#!I_love_witch_hunters" and 'it' (meaning the suspected 'botter') replies with '????' that means no-dc client. I'm still learning, so I dunno.
But okay I'm gonna make an official admission. In 2006 or so while I was playing Diablo one of my characters was banned. It wasn't a "CD Ban" because what I was doing was not seen as that great of an offense. I used to use (and support) Maphack. I've given Mousepad (the hack designer) his due ($15.00) and have bought multiple copies of D2. That was way back when though. During the time where I was a true newb and forming concepts of 'purist'. It cost me a favorite character then, but to me, the cost was worth it. Nothing good come without cost. Being a purist (or learning to become one) has a cost.
But to the witch-hunters who drool at the thought of 'seeing an admission' on this thread, to those whose hearts started beating faster in the tiny instant that it took them to understand me... to those whose wicked evil hearts slavered and grinned with glee as they began to rub their hands together in almost fervent abandon at the mere thought of 'another one bites the dust'... To these (and their ilk) who feign understanding but are fools, can one beat folly from a fool? Though you beat him, yet will his folly not depart. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
I suspect that ulterior motive(s) come into play. Ulterior motives that includes 'fame' and I for one ponder the effort they put forth to make themselves look good. I ponder the inner need to carve a name of fame, and you know who you are... this to YOU:
First, thanks for staying with me this long... hehehehe... And secondly: There are 613 mitzvots (commandments). There are 365 'negative'. Three of the negative commandments fall under the category of yehareg ve'al ya'avor, meaning "One should let himself be killed rather than violate it". This includes 'murder', 'idolatry' and 'forbidden sexual relations'. We are not to rejoice when we see an enemy fall. Our hearts are evil when we fail in this. There is no commandment that says that 'we' have to help them (our fallen enemies) up though. Okay?
There are differences (subtle to some) between hackers (anybody involved in reverse engineering of any type that could include PK2 Editing), haxorz (Counter-Strike players) and crackers (those who 'hack' with malicious intent). There are lots of slang terms that can be used to describe the subtle differences. But to those who lack understanding and have not departed their evil ways and preach "Are you legit in truth?" - To them, 'understanding' is to depart evil. That's what it is. You who say you have understanding, do you understand? To those who say, "Botting in every form detracts from 'the game'" do you not understand that witch-hunting also detracts from the game? Those who commit offense in ignorance are not AS GUILTY as those who claim understanding. This has always been the case. When a doctor or lawyer or professional puts out his shingle (including the 'stamp out the bots' shun method / type shingle) and state, "I am expert, hear me roar... in numbers too big to ignore... I am woman!" (apologies offered to Helen Reddy) he/she is rightly held to a higher standard. Again, I don't personally mind this habit, but only look askance at it. Here's why.
Scapegoats are used for a purpose! It is and has a historical and oftentimes useful purpose. What one typically does involves externalizing inner sin and turmoil or conflict and while placing the hands onto the face of the goat, one 'transfers' guilt. Those who involve themselves in this fashion don't commit the actual murder though. "They" are too clean to soil their dainty hands with the task of spilling goat blood. What they do is shun the scape-goat and put them (or, as they term the creature, 'it') 'out of the camp'. Meaning leave them to die to their natural predators. I don't like the idea of allowing harm to come to others. Not if it is in my power to remove them from 'harm'.
But and yet, the process of forming an 'identity' oftentimes employs this very device. Here, I will offer you a token: I will not 'shun' you for this. It's ok. I understand. Please remember this though. Those who sow the wind harvest the whirlwind. I fear this. I do indeed. I do not expect you to fear though. No threat is meant or given. It is a 'word to the wise' from a fool, if you will.
~Grandpa (taking the high road on the SilkRoad FTL -For the Loss, but not 'FTF' -For the Fail)
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This isn’t a new concept, of course, and I’m freely ripping ideas off here. Which is kinda the point. Unsigned and tru this day, Feb 30th 2008
You must have a lot of time on your hands. Nice post.
I appreciate you. Appreciate that you took the time to read 'me' or read of 'me'. Are you a graduate of the 'Evelyn Woodhead Sped Reding Method'? Lol, I tooked da Evelyn Woodhead sped reding coarse. O Rly? Ypeerrs.
All seriousness aside, I do appreciate the comment, thank you kindly. And pardon me for the smudges on your screen as you traced the words with your finger *grin. I really 'should' take my tongue outta my cheek when I post. I've always enjoyed your sig -AND- your Avi... Looks like a variation of the riddle,
Question: "Do you know how to keep a [insert race name or slur here]in suspense?
botters have been ruining sro since 2006. not only are they cheating, they're ruining other people's enjoyment of the game. JM could care less, so srf has taken up the cause. however, srf is a forum, a place for "open discussion", but on these "free" internetz, we are also "free" to set up a forum under regulations of our choosing. for srf, it's no bot/bot supporters and a variety of other things. when i say "we" and "our", i also mean the select few that have absolute power over these forums.
so on srf, why shouldn't we rejoice when "another one bites the dust"? only on srf do we have the power to rid our community of botters. when we log onto sro and see their blatant disregard for the game, a game that the majority of us like (even if u won't admit it, you keep coming back), we refuse to sit idly by.
Youse knows I luvs youse guys. Here, have a cookie: (oopsie, I dun et it) Ok maybe this will do?
Malcolm Clark 2 Grandpa wrote:
Lives cross paths for any number of reasons, won't you be my Valentine?
~Malcolm Clark
The cover is old and kinda cracked (like me)... His beard wasn't gray when we worked together (for a season) and I still think him a 'youngster'. The Malcolm Clark Band
Link to MySpace Music® The Malcolm Clark Band Free tunes for the listening The Malcolm Clark Band They sound jazzy and bluesy and funky and schmoozy.
Here is a Malcolm quote from an endearing fan;
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You guys rock for a bunch of old guys!
I <3 his "Nevy Song", a song written about our co-worker from Sri Lanka.
botters have been ruining sro since 2006. not only are they cheating, they're ruining other people's enjoyment of the game. JM could care less, so srf has taken up the cause. however, srf is a forum, a place for "open discussion", but on these "free" internetz, we are also "free" to set up a forum under regulations of our choosing. for srf, it's no bot/bot supporters and a variety of other things. when i say "we" and "our", i also mean the select few that have absolute power over these forums.
so on srf, why shouldn't we rejoice when "another one bites the dust"? only on srf do we have the power to rid our community of botters. when we log onto sro and see their blatant disregard for the game, a game that the majority of us like (even if u won't admit it, you keep coming back), we refuse to sit idly by.
Was gonna post something that would take up to much time but GT made a summary
Grandpa is full of wisdom, I think some people more than others should take their time to read this though, because it will benefit them more than others.
If I see posts from you, (gran gran)(is it okay if I call you that?) I see a lot of words, but all I get is question marks...
Now...
If somebody could please translate this to understandable (at least for me) english or dutch (also in an understandable way for me), that would be great.
Cuz I would love to comment to your threads with an honest answer to your questions, and join the discussions, instead of just type:
"Uhuh.
yeah...
I totally see where you're going...
Yeah...
Couldn't agree more!
+1~! "
or anything like that...
You are very inteligent, I can't disagree on that.
But maybe too inteligent for me?
I'm good at English, get very nice grades, but here....
Grandpa, I see your position in all of this, it is understandable. But..
Drastic times call for drastic measures is probably best suited for the type of scenario we're in. When the majority of the population of Silkroad Online has done or continue to cheat.
Yes, it may have an negative outlook of it being an extreme (witch hunting), which I tend to believe extremism is usually bad, but seeing how the imbalance between legitimacy and the cheating is clearly favoring the cheaters - extremism is applied to at least give somewhat a hope for the fierce legitimate supporters. There are those who take a things too far and then there's those who support the whole 'crusade.'
People want it now, they want something of that golden piece of cake which Silkroad Online use to be. They want it badly and they're going to try and try 'til they felt satisfied or destroyed when they have no longer faith in the whole movement.
When you're in a very rough battle, it's usually you're either with us or against us. Neutral rationality is departed into the phase where the human mind wants the glory for what they hunger for (golden cake).
At what price do these extreme legitimate players buy for giving their stamina in trying to better a wonderful game? They get the eye-popper for trying to cleanse an overwhelming bot population. They are criticized, because someone's friend just so happens to be a botter and was slain in the battle. Extremism as it sounds off to be an negative, but when given the full picture, look at what as botting done. Apply the calculation and then criticize the legitimate extremist. What is the fair weight of the negative which the legitimate community has produced when compared to their counterpart?
Eye for an eye may not be the right quotation, but an finger for an arm is. Bots may lose the finger in the entire Sikroad Online community - it is the legitimate players who lose the arm. Not only are they criticized on their own land, but also on their enemies.
I do not say ignore the faults of the extreme legit, but I do say do not ignore what has the bot - no, what the cheating community has done. When will the blood spilling stop? When the cheaters have destroyed the game?
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Icealya wrote:
hmmmmmmmm...
you see.... If I see posts from you, (gran gran)(is it okay if I call you that?) I see a lot of words, but all I get is question marks... Now... If somebody could please translate this to understandable (at least for me) english or dutch (also in an understandable way for me), that would be great.
Cuz I would love to comment to your threads with an honest answer to your questions, and join the discussions, instead of just type: "Uhuh. yeah... I totally see where you're going... Yeah... Couldn't agree more! +1~! "
or anything like that... You are very inteligent, I can't disagree on that. But maybe too inteligent for me? I'm good at English, get very nice grades, but here.... It just didn't make sense... Sorry,
~Ice.
Don't worry Ice, lol i have the same. I'm in college this year (and getting partially taught in English) but I didn't get the point of this essay either. For me (as a non native English speaker) I didn't get the point lul doesn't happen often [read: like never]
Sorry for offtopic. More intelligent people continue the discussion lol ...
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The purported harm would only limit itself to the forum, and not beyond that. Slide into the rabbit hole and see how far they could go. Love your threads Grandpa, always a good read.
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Im dont even try to read the whole thread. Too much philosophy from him =.= I hate philosophy...
Haha yeah lol... Gramps , there are mostly 15-19 years old guys on this forum ... I cant fully understand you (cant be arsed honestly) ... You are ... meh
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Im dont even try to read the whole thread. Too much philosophy from him =.= I hate philosophy...
Haha yeah lol... Gramps , there are mostly 15-19 years old guys on this forum ... I cant fully understand you (cant be arsed honestly) ... You are ... meh
*smile It's mutual, friend. I don't know what that means either. The 'flavor' of it is 'amused' and 'disparaging'? I won't apologize for my vocabulary any more than I would ask this of you.
Philosophy? from Greek: philo- "loving" + sophia "knowledge, wisdom Philosophy is just loving wisdom and knowledge. I do, 'cause I f-up too much if I don't (I also agree, should have posted in General Discussion and not OT, oopsie (brainfart))
~Grandpa
To those asking for translation, ok ~~> People (you) are more important than things or personal gain. I read a book long time ago, "Everything you need to know was learned in Kindergarten." The title says it all. All I'm trying to say is, "Let's play well in our sandbox."
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Grandpa wrote:
To those asking for translation, ok ~~> People (you) are more important than things or personal gain. I read a book long time ago, "Everything you need to know was learned in Kindergarten." The title says it all. All I'm trying to say is, "Let's play well in our sandbox."
@zing: The idea that drastic times require drastic measures, although it has some limited validity, has fueled many of the worst atrocities in history, not to mention the stipping of individual rights.
A few quotes to go along with you Grandpa:
I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth. Umberto Eco (1932 - )
If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things. Rene Descartes (1596 - 1650)
Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it. Andre Gide (1869 - 1951)
Irrationally held truths may be more harmful than reasoned errors. Thomas H. Huxley (1825 - 1895)
And to sum things up... If you take one truth and follow it blindly, it will become a falsehood and you a fanatic. Unknown (at least by me)
Greetings Cidem, Very insightful and well said. You're right, of course. I was addressing individual vs. group and have spoken of this in other threads only to be dismissed with what seemed to be a flip of the 'dainty hand'.
Wanted to single out one of your quotes and comment but they are all good. TY I see myself as a 'fanatic' and only hope to transition (and regain my stance) into 'zealot' at some point in time
If a picture is worth a thousand words, perhaps my AVI says it better? The concept of Ying/Yang (where the 'truth' is found in kernel form in the opposite side) has a 'hook' in it. A danger point, if you will. The 'sworled' part is the transition --> the point of change as the median is crossed. This is the 'danger point'.
I've probably lost 89% of readers, but consider what has happened in your life during times of transition.
There are studies that show danger of heart attack for instance. Stressors include:
* Illness, either personal or of a family member or friend.
* Death of a friend or loved one
* Problems in a personal relationship
* Starting a new job
* Retirement
* Pregnancy
* Crowds
* Relocation
* Daily hassles
* Legal problems
* Financial concerns
* Perfectionism
Many of the above indicators of stress are cause / effect to change states. Others are implemented by society (hassles, crowds). Much of it relates to how we cope; finding peace is a world and community concern, yes?
Part of coping includes: Assert yourself. You do not have to meet others' expectations or demands. It's OK to say "no". Being assertive (not aggressive) allows you to stand up for your rights and beliefs while respecting those of others. Personal responsibility is part of it too. Take responsibility. Control what you can and leave behind what you cannot control. I am not able to stop bots, but I can try to improve our community with common sense.
Ok, I'll get down off the soapbox. Thanks again for your comment. ~Gpa
First post ↓ in Dutch (Iceayla) hope it works; never done this before *smile (translated from web service)
Zo er waren eens kerel/galdude/dudettepersoon met het volgende in zijn sig: Citaat: Gezette „0x33“ ergens in uw sig. De bespreking openlijk over, laat toe aan, of stelt botting in een draad voor. Vraag over hoe te te kopen, bied om, of postverbindingen aan bot cliënten, enz. te verkopen aan. HET DOEN VAN OM HET EVEN WELK VAN DEZE DINGEN ZAL IN EEN ONMIDDELLIJK VERBOD RESULTEREN. Ik waardeer zijn/haar betekenis van ironie. Ik waardeer ook gevoel één krijgt wanneer he/she doet wat ik „klip lopend“ roep. Dat is wanneer somebody verkiest om de rand van de klip te lopen, goed kennend hoogtepunt dat he/she bepaalde „dood“ begrenst.
Nu ongeveer „heks die“ maar eerst, een weinig over „me“ jaagt. · Gamer: Ik heb massieve multi-speler online spelen sinds Diablo gespeeld toen het eerst online ging · Purist: In de loop van de jaren moet mijn „houding“ niets doen geen die de spelontwerpers van plan waren · RP'r: WoW heeft verschillende servertypes: PvP, „Normaal“ en RP. Zij hebben ook nu hybriden. Ik eerbiedig de waarde RP, „doe het niet als het aan het spelervaring van een andere persoon“ afbreuk doet. · Aan „me“ SilkroadOnline is een zeer plezierig spel. Ik houd van het beter dan WoW (Wereld van Warcraft) omdat het schijnt om slimmere spelers aan te trekken ik ook van mijn tijd (in dit forum) hier geniet omdat er gelijkaardige gelete op mensen zijn die hier samenkomen.
Het historische doel van een FORUM wordt afgeleid uit een openbaar vierkant van oud Rome. Een plaats van assemblage voor de mensen om samen voor de bespreking van kwesties van openbaar belang te komen. Er is ook (in Geschiedenis) een plaats in Rome genoemd het „FORUM“. Het is typisch een openbare vergaderingsplaats voor open bespreking.
Dichotomieën: Dat gebeurt normaal waar verwarring bestaat. De verwarring (aan me) is waar de afdeling in wederzijds exclusieve twee gebeurt, tegengesteld, of tegenstrijdige gedachten die gelijke waarde worden gegeven. De natuurlijke actie wanneer het overwegen van een dichotomie is: „Wanneer in twijfel, looppas in cirkels, schreeuw en schreeuw.“ Het is een wervelend type van ding, maar ik ben „hoe dan ook duizelig“, zodat is van belang het niet (aan me).
Zo, hier (in SRF) wanneer wij een forum (voor open bespreking) ingaan, dat heeft aangezien het basis een groep dat is die „botters“, daar bestaat een dichotomie uitsluit. De maatschappij bepaalt groepen door die wie uitgesloten zijn. Als wij van de „Oude man club“ spraken die het best door hen worden bepaald die niet kunnen toetreden (veel aan het verdriet van de Feministische beweging). Maar als, en enerzijds, één of andere oude mens zich bij de Feministes voor de groep van de Vrede wilde aansluiten zou hij ook een askance kunnen worden ontmoet kijkt (met een zijblik; sidewise; schuin).
Ligt hierin de ironie & de dichotomie, als u, en de (zogenaamde) verwarring zal. Dan ga de „legit“ heksenjagers in. U weet wie u bent. Deze zijn zij die de redelijke definitie voorbij „purist“ of „legit“ hebben uitgebreid (hen die niets doen geen die de spelontwerpers van plan waren). Hun gedachten slaan me aangezien een „mens door het bedrijf wordt gekend dat hij“ heeft gehouden en hun poging om de term „legit“ opnieuw te definiëren (aan me) in een „Methinks het dame doth protest teveel,“ soort manier verdacht is. Shakespeare schreef: Het „dame doth protest teveel, methinks. “ Hamlet Akte 3, scène 2 de lijn van Koningin Gertrude is zowel droger en dankzij ironischer dan misquotation (vertraagd „methinks“). Ik vind me bekijkend deze met een askanceblik. De woorden worden gezegd als, „wij keuren ex-botters goed als er een echte verplichting is. Maar al te vaak (als die alcoholisten die zich bij aa slechts „van de wagen“ aansluiten vallen) hun verplichting wankelt.“ Wacht nu enkel een seconde daar, vriend. Ik ben terugkrijgen alcoholisch met 15 jaar gematigdheids. - lol, is het o.k., begrijp ik.
Aan me? Het is volkomen fijn om een groep (of gilde) in uw eigen stad of stad of server tot stand te brengen die om het even wie uitsluiten. Ik heb eigenlijk „hinder me“ niet gilde voor de gildemarkering alleen en beperkt lidmaatschap aan „me, zelf, en Irene“ gecre�ërd (in andere spelen). Het enige „probleem“ dat ik vond was opnieuw door de manier van verwarring. Ppl wist niet of zouden mijn markering AFK en mijn markering van het Gilde ernstig moeten worden genomen. Zij besloten enkel dat ik „interesserend“ was en net bij het doen van hield wat zij… deden Vraag, als een mens in een stille stem spreekt en daardoor de stad en de inwoners om ertoe beweegt worden gered? Zal die mens herinnerd worden? Kan he/she hen met zachte woorden doden? Ik begrijp. Maar wat „begrijpt“? Als de kennis „kan zilveren worden genoemd“ en als de wijsheid „kan gouden worden genoemd“, wat begrijpt? Het begrip moet vertrekken kwaad.
Maar toen opnieuw, „zij“ gaan binnen. „Zij die vriendelijk hen““ zijn „. U weet 'em het. Wij allen.
En nu „zij“ wensen hun onlangs opgevatte definitie van „geen-bot“ uit te breiden exclusief me en die als me te omvatten. Dit zijn heks-jagers. Zij gaan over het zoeken van reden om anderen te verdenken. Als u of partij met een heks associ�ërt, bent u een heks. Brandwond 'em bij de staak. Het probleem komt uit de verhoogde gevoeligheid die met de taak van heks komt die jaagt. Lijd niet aan een heks aan het leven met u of uw „legits“. Lijd aan thou niet.
Harry Houdini gebruikte om charlatans bloot te stellen. Hij geloofde in de „geestwereld“ en vertelde zijn vrouw die hij aan haar van het graf zou spreken. Één van de „trucs“ hij stelde was tewerk de huid van zijn enkel zeer gevoelig te veroorzaken om door diverse methodes te worden. Dan, toen fakir subtiel probeerde te zijn en zijn/haar voet te bewegen kon hij het voelen. Op de zelfde manier, hebben deze verdachte types zich aan de „trucs“ gevoelig gemaakt. Ik heb dat gehoord als u „% zegt! ~~#! I_love_witch_hunters“ en „het“ (betekenend verdacht „botter“) antwoorden met „????“ dat betekent cliënt geen-gelijkstroom. Ik leer nog, zo dunno van I.
Maar o.k. ga ik een officiële toelating maken. In 2006 of zo terwijl ik speelde werd Diablo één van mijn karakters verboden. Het was geen „CD Verbod“ omdat wat ik deed niet zoals dat groot van een inbreuk werd gezien. Ik gebruikte om (en steun) Maphack te gebruiken. Ik heb Mousepad (de houwerontwerper) zijn gepast ($15.00) gegeven en veelvoudige exemplaren van D2 gekocht. Dat was manierrug toen niettemin. Tijdens de tijd waar ik een ware newb en het vormen van concepten „purist“ was. Het kostte me een favoriet karakter toen, maar aan me, waren de kosten de moeite waard. Goed niets komt zonder kosten. Zijnd purist (of lerend te worden) heeft kosten.
Maar aan de heks-jagers die drool bij de gedachte van „het zien van een toelating“ op deze draad, aan die de waarvan harten begonnen sneller in het uiterst kleine moment te slaan dat het hen nam om me te begrijpen… aan die de waarvan slechte kwade harten slavered en met vreugde grijnsten aangezien zij begonnen hun handen in bijna fervent samen te wrijven verlaat bij de zuivere gedachte van „een andere bijt het stof“… Aan deze (en hun ilk) die feign begrijpend maar dwazen, zijn kan één dwaasheid van een dwaas slaan? Hoewel u hem slaat, nog zal zijn dwaasheid niet vertrekken. Zij zullen u neer op hun niveau slepen en zullen u met ervaring slaan.
Ik verdenk dat verder beweging veroorzakend gekomen in spel. De verdere motieven dat „bekendheid“ en I voor één omvat denken de inspanning na die zij hebben voorgesteld om tot blikgoed te maken. Ik denk de binnenbehoefte na om een naam van bekendheid te snijden, en u weet wie u… bent dit aan U:
Eerst, dank voor het blijven met me dit lang… hehehehe… En ten tweede: Er zijn 613 mitzvots (bevelen). Er zijn „negatieve“ 365. Drie van de negatieve bevelen vallen onder de categorie van yeharegve'al ya'avor, zou het betekenen van „moeten laten worden gedood eerder dan om het“ te overtreden. Dit omvat „moord“, „idolatry“ en „verboden seksuele relaties“. Wij moeten niet zich verheugen wanneer wij een vijandelijke daling zien. Onze harten zijn kwaad wanneer wij in dit ontbreken. Er is geen bevel dat zegt dat „wij“ hen (onze gevallen vijanden) moeten omhoog niettemin helpen. O.k.?
Er zijn subtiele verschillen (aan wat) tussen hakkers (om het even wie betrokken bij omgekeerde techniek van om het even welk type dat PK2 kon omvatten Uitgevend), haxorz (de spelers van de tegen-Staking) en crackers (hen die met kwaadwillige bedoeling „binnendring in een beveiligd computersysteem“). Er zijn veel jargontermijnen die kunnen worden gebruikt om de subtiele verschillen te beschrijven. Maar aan zij die niet hebben begrip en niet hun kwade manieren vertrokken en „prediken zijn u legit in waarheid?“ - Aan hen, het „begrip“ moet vertrekken kwaad. Dat is wat het is. U die zeggen u begrip, hebt u begrijpt? Aan zij die zeggen, „Botting in elke vorm aan „het spel““ doet u afbreuk begrijpt niet dat heks-jaagt ook aan het spel afbreuk doet? Zij die inbreuk in onwetendheid begaan zijn niet zo SCHULDIG aangezien zij die begrip eisen. Dit is altijd het geval geweest. Wanneer een arts of een advocaat of de beroeps uit zijn dakspaan (met inbegrip van de „zegel uit mijden bots“ methode/typedakspaan) en staat zetten, „ik ben deskundig, hoor me gebrul… in te grote aantallen om te negeren… Ik ben vrouw! „(verontschuldigingen die aan Helen Reddy worden aangeboden) he/she wordt terecht gehouden volgens een hogere norm. Opnieuw, let ik niet slechts persoonlijk op deze gewoonte, maar bekijk askance het. Hier is waarom.
De zondebokken worden gebruikt voor een doel! Het is en heeft een historisch en veelvuldig nuttig doel. Wat één typisch doet impliceert het externalizing binnenzonde en opschudding of conflict en terwijl het plaatsen van de handen op het gezicht van de geit, „brengt“ één schuld over. Zij die zich op deze wijze impliceren begaan niettemin niet de daadwerkelijke moord. „Zij“ zijn te schoon om hun sierlijke handen met de taak te bevuilen om geitbloed te morsen. Wat zij doen is mijdt de zondebok en zet hen (of, aangezien zij het schepsel noemen, „het“) „uit het kamp“. Het betekenen verlaat hen om aan hun natuurlijke roofdieren te sterven. Ik houd niet van het idee van het toestaan van kwaad om aan anderen te komen. Niet als het in mijn bevoegdheid is om hen uit „kwaad“ te verwijderen.
Maar en toch wendt het proces om een „identiteit“ te vormen veelvuldig dit eigenlijke apparaat aan. Hier, zal ik u een teken aanbieden: Ik zal u niet voor dit „mijden“. Het is o.k. Ik begrijp. Gelieve te herinneren niettemin dit. Zij die de wind zaaien oogsten whirlwind. Ik vrees dit. Ik inderdaad. Ik verwacht u niet om niettemin te vrezen. Geen bedreiging wordt bedoeld of gegeven. Het is een „woord aan wijs“ van een dwaas, als u zal.
~Grandpa
~Grandpa ___________________________ Source & more info on stress and heart attack here: Stress and Disease
I don't agree with the way you presented your argument if you even intended for it to be such. The lack of organization, wordiness, switching between formal, informal, standard, and archaic diction, how you go into so much detail with your examples only to follow with unclear explanations, etc. irks me. Probably because I'm viewing your post as an argumentative essay. However, I do agree with the point you were attempting to make, or the point that I think you were trying to make. Also I like the set up you did, well I assume that may have been an intention of your post. Name the title "Witch Hunters" attracting the alleged witch hunters, surprise them with a long winded post which they will undoubtedly skim through looking for a confession. They see "official admission" in bold and think they have something. Surprise.
On the other hand, if you are trying to make a point, to whom? This certainly isn't for the majority of SRF community. I'm pretty sure you're aware that because Silkroad is an international game, there are many people browsing these forums that don't speak English as their first language. Even for someone who does speak English fluently, the lengthiness of your post and choice of words can be intimidating or seem not worth the time to many. In my opinion, whether it was a intended to be an essay or rant of some sort, the whole effort was wasted because you've alienated the potential perspectives of much of the community. Or maybe its a "for whoever cares" type a post. I guess I can agree with that...
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Ziegfried wrote:
What you do or say in any game is a small extension of who you really are. It's the anonymity that can allow them to show their true self, or who they would be if there was no "penalty" for their actions.
Im dont even try to read the whole thread. Too much philosophy from him =.= I hate philosophy...
Haha yeah lol... Gramps , there are mostly 15-19 years old guys on this forum ... I cant fully understand you (cant be arsed honestly) ... You are ... meh
*smile It's mutual, friend. I don't know what that means either. The 'flavor' of it is 'amused' and 'disparaging'? I won't apologize for my vocabulary any more than I would ask this of you.
Philosophy? from Greek: philo- "loving" + sophia "knowledge, wisdom Philosophy is just loving wisdom and knowledge. I do, 'cause I f-up too much if I don't (I also agree, should have posted in General Discussion and not OT, oopsie (brainfart))
~Grandpa
To those asking for translation, ok ~~> People (you) are more important than things or personal gain. I read a book long time ago, "Everything you need to know was learned in Kindergarten." The title says it all. All I'm trying to say is, "Let's play well in our sandbox."
You sure that wasn't a short story? Btw, "meh" is like apathy or a feeling of not caring, saying "grandpa you're meh" would be equivalent to saying "grandpa, idc."
@zing: The idea that drastic times require drastic measures, although it has some limited validity, has fueled many of the worst atrocities in history, not to mention the stipping of individual rights.
A few quotes to go along with you Grandpa:
I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth. Umberto Eco (1932 - )
If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things. Rene Descartes (1596 - 1650)
Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it. Andre Gide (1869 - 1951)
Irrationally held truths may be more harmful than reasoned errors. Thomas H. Huxley (1825 - 1895)
And to sum things up... If you take one truth and follow it blindly, it will become a falsehood and you a fanatic. Unknown (at least by me)
Drastic times doesn't require drastic measures, though the option of the extremism becomes an option. I'm trying to rationalize such extremism when applying certain situations.
The truth is that cheating already has done damage to the game and continue to do so. Depending on how you look at it, the situation, say the Holocaust for an example, if you were to be neutral about the subject, that then would be for the support of the ongoing genocide, indirectly. Does this mean you're a bad person? No, but it means you could've helped, but you didn't.
Another example would be the global changing in weather. Saving energy, Earth Day. People I have talked to would say, "I'm just one person, how am I to make an impact?." See, that's the sort of neutrality in rational reasoning that can cause tyranny problems to continue.
The problem here is that, in your own is an extremism of being neutral. You need to apply the weights and balances and submit an rationality to your own decision which you would like. Which is basically what you're doing, but - the problem is the ignoring of an problem ruining a game. By supporting the the "good" side, you are at least doing something - not nothing.
Today I had to have the decision to put my pet cat, Fat Cat, Meow Meow, Kitty, Little Kitty, Beautiful Cat/Kitty (Yes, I named him all those names ), to sleep. It was either one extreme, allow him to live but suffer, or stop the suffering and put him to sleep. Being neutral and not doing anything, is actually the indirect support of the cat suffering. This is an extreme situation, which calls for extreme decisions.
The problem here is that, in your own is an extremism of being neutral. You need to apply the weights and balances and submit an rationality to your own decision which you would like. Which is basically what you're doing, but - the problem is the ignoring of an problem ruining a game. By supporting the the "good" side, you are at least doing something - not nothing.
Today I had to have the decision to put my pet cat, Fat Cat, Meow Meow, Kitty, Little Kitty, Beautiful Cat/Kitty (Yes, I named him all those names ), to sleep. It was either one extreme, allow him to live but suffer, or stop the suffering and put him to sleep. Being neutral and not doing anything, is actually the indirect support of the cat suffering. This is an extreme situation, which calls for extreme decisions.
Sorry to hear about your sweetie. Mine is almost 16 years old now, she's been with me since my youngest son found her under the house.
The mommy cat was semi-feral and the sire was purebred, russian blue. She's a very small and beautiful person/cat. I was never a cat person until we bonded. She used to (as a kitten) sleep directly on my forehead. Little ball of fluff. I'm not sure what I'll do when it is her time, but I am certain that I cannot refrain if it is within my power to relieve suffering.
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Eye for an eye may not be the right quotation, but an finger for an arm is. Bots may lose the finger in the entire Sikroad Online community - it is the legitimate players who lose the arm.
Would it surprise you to know that once I considered the nature of that quote, "Eye for an eye"? Could it be possible that the intent wasn't justice and balance but rather to establish a limit? For instance, could it be interpreted to mean "No more than an eye for an eye"? Could it mean, do not extract more than your measure when you act in the name of Justice?
It's a question.
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Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are even incapable of forming such opinions.
Albert Einstein US (German-born) physicist (1879 - 1955)
I appreciate your view, sir.
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What? A smart guy like you shouldn't waste you're time on a game =p You could make a cure for aids, or.. save the whales!
You forgot the 'C-word', cancer. Neoplasm is uncontrolled growth. This is the argument that is often quoted when militant no-bot ppl are confronted with the social harm the 'shun method' can (not always, I'm just addressing ultra-extreme cases) cause. They quote their numbers and their goals. They quote another 'C-word" Collateral Damage meaning the Arnold movie and do not consider this: Collateral Damage.
To me they've injected (or attempted to inject) their code into the 'purist' process. It is no longer required to be personally responsible for your own actions, you are now required to shun friends or strangers who have what they term the 'taint' of botting on them. But don't think that I haven't taken extreme stances myself. I've played characters who would not profit from anything they did not personally kill. No help from nobody. But to me? It was just a little too extreme for even my own tastes.
Let's take that one step further, shall we? What if I sold a drop that I found and it wasn't to them? MAYBE it was paid for by money bought from gold-botters? The true ultra-extreme 'philosophy' would require me to forsake selling in a stall, right? Shudder!
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First, thanks for staying with me this long... hehehehe... 
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