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 Post subject: New blader build 90 Bich 90 Light 90 force 30 fire
PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 7:21 am 
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What do you think? im thinking im going to use my little brother's computer and install sro on it and p-farm it with my lvl 73 S/S on ongs and then farming it untill i have to grind on my own with it.

i know this is a relitievily unconventional build. a blader without fire or ice. but let me know what you think.

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 Post subject: Re: New blader build 90 Bich 90 Light 90 force 30 fire
PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 9:20 am 
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HORRIBLE !!! DONT EVEN TRY IT
a STR build with ne fire can be described in only 1 word... PATHETIC

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 Post subject: Re: New blader build 90 Bich 90 Light 90 force 30 fire
PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 9:50 am 
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Bicheon-main
Fire-sub
Light-sub

if you feel sp is an issue, try this idea.

80 bicheon
60 fire
60 light

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 Post subject: Re: New blader build 90 Bich 90 Light 90 force 30 fire
PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 12:55 pm 
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light + force status > 18% phy attack in fire
vital spots status helps u x2 or x2.5 dmg, so u dun need that extra bit of 0.18 more dmg

ghost walk is necessary IMO to catch ur running enemy (ppl tend to run away when they hv all the status on them, its not a cowardly act, its playing smart), and kill them off

its good, but u need alot sp for force tree :wink: good luck

something to consider : 30 fire vs 30 ice
both seems important, fire for ice immunity and ice for 25% snowshield, u would need to sacrifice 1

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 Post subject: Re: New blader build 90 Bich 90 Light 90 force 30 fire
PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 1:14 pm 
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CLOT wrote:
light + force status > 18% phy attack in fire
vital spots status helps u x2 or x2.5 dmg, so u dun need that extra bit of 0.18 more dmg

ghost walk is necessary IMO to catch ur running enemy (ppl tend to run away when they hv all the status on them, its not a cowardly act, its playing smart), and kill them off

its good, but u need alot sp for force tree :wink: good luck

something to consider : 30 fire vs 30 ice
both seems important, fire for ice immunity and ice for 25% snowshield, u would need to sacrifice 1

u forgot about the diffrence between the fire imbue and the ligh one.. still u can combine both fire and force to do some gr8 damage for a blader (maybe with 30 ice, and a bunch of speed drugs :) )

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 Post subject: Re: New blader build 90 Bich 90 Light 90 force 30 fire
PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 3:01 pm 
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force is over rated, it can be cured by blue pills, and half of the time your enemy *resist* your debuffs

thats why in ksro there are no force users

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 Post subject: Re: New blader build 90 Bich 90 Light 90 force 30 fire
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force is over rated, it can be cured by blue pills, and half of the time your enemy *resist* your debuffs

thats why in ksro there are no force users

blue pills are too expensive.. they arent so commonly used to make u drop the force tree.
also your enemies dont resist half of the time.. ur debuffs have an impressive 80% succes ratio.. so if u cast 3 debuffs mostly 2 of them will work, which is enough to make 2-4k of excess damage

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 Post subject: Re: New blader build 90 Bich 90 Light 90 force 30 fire
PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 3:41 pm 
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i thought about this build having 90 light instead of fire.
but i not soo sure....
Force is good but i suggest force for glaviers and bowmans.
bladers do weak damage with force not much stronger compare to a bowman or glavier with force.
and bladers already have the chains for statue. if you do have 90 light and 30 fire you need to wear garment for mag protection .
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force is over rated, it can be cured by blue pills, and half of the time your enemy *resist* your debuffs

thats why in ksro there are no force users

force is good and the pill has a 20 sec delay by then they jus cast more states on you.


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 Post subject: Re: New blader build 90 Bich 90 Light 90 force 30 fire
PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 6:52 pm 
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okay heres my thinking behind this build. its to be used in congnition with my freind who is a fully farmed s/s pure int nuker. with a light imbue i can deal dammae to multiple target and with the status causing chain, i give status to multiple people who will get their asses handed to them by my freinds lightning nuke. and to make up for my lack of dammage since im not using fire ill have force to weaken my opponents and since im a blader i will be able to afford to stop attacking somone in pvp (for a second or two) to start using force to weaken my opponents and in addition light imbue lowers parry ratio which will also compensate for my lack of dammage from fire.

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 Post subject: Re: New blader build 90 Bich 90 Light 90 force 30 fire
PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 7:08 pm 
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CLOT wrote:
light + force status > 18% phy attack in fire
vital spots status helps u x2 or x2.5 dmg, so u dun need that extra bit of 0.18 more dmg

ghost walk is necessary IMO to catch ur running enemy (ppl tend to run away when they hv all the status on them, its not a cowardly act, its playing smart), and kill them off

its good, but u need alot sp for force tree :wink: good luck

something to consider : 30 fire vs 30 ice
both seems important, fire for ice immunity and ice for 25% snowshield, u would need to sacrifice 1


thanks :D this is exactly what im thinking in making this build. ill either use my brother's computer and p-farm at ongs or get my lvl 80 freind to do it so SP will not be an issue at all. but my only problem is going to be grinding to lvl 80 as a blader :( :( :( :( :( :( it will be a tough change for me cause i have never played a charecter thats not a nuker before...

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 Post subject: Re: New blader build 90 Bich 90 Light 90 force 30 fire
PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2008 11:57 pm 
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in my opinion you should go

90 bicheon
90 cold
40 lightning
80 fire

if you dont know why your getting bicheon, jump off a cliff :shock:

cold for imbue, frost nova(for lower levels) and def buffs/passive

light for a lil speed, lil mag buff, lil parry

fire for the 2nd book, and physical buffs

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 Post subject: Re: New blader build 90 Bich 90 Light 90 force 30 fire
PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 12:03 am 
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in my opinion you should go

90 bicheon
90 cold
40 lightning
80 fire

if you dont know why your getting bicheon, jump off a cliff :shock:

cold for imbue, frost nova(for lower levels) and def buffs/passive

light for a lil speed, lil mag buff, lil parry

fire for the 2nd book, and physical buffs

Ice for imbue?
No way.
Ice= Almost everyone is immune to ice. And to those who don't...Pills do a good job of stopping ice.
Fire= Imbue, Phy dmg buff and passive, combustion, fire wall, and fire shield.
Light= Speed, Parry is very helpful, much more than you would think. Also the Mag dmg increase buff helps a lot even for pure str. It can increase dmg from imbue up to 1k-1.5k. Do you really want to miss out on 1k-1.5k extra dmg.

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 Post subject: Re: New blader build 90 Bich 90 Light 90 force 30 fire
PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 12:13 am 
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i all have to say is for pure str blader you go with

90 bicheon
90 fire
72 OR 90light
48 OR 30ice

if you do something crazy like a 90 force you are going to regret it, have fun deleveling it at 90

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 Post subject: Re: New blader build 90 Bich 90 Light 90 force 30 fire
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KarmaPolice wrote:
i all have to say is for pure str blader you go with

90 bicheon
90 fire
72 OR 90light
48 OR 30ice

if you do something crazy like a 90 force you are going to regret it, have fun deleveling it at 90


its never crazy to lvl force, its the same as saying u are crazy to have a warlock
but force is better for nukers/bowers actually, not really for pure str

cuz for nukers/bowers its easier to distribute the mastery
nuker : 90force 90light 90ice 30fire
bower : 90force 90pacheon 90fire 30ice

u see bower is w/o light but its ok cuz it is ranged and has KB...but melee has to hv light and u gotta sacrifice fire imbue/phy attack

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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 3:48 am 
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KarmaPolice wrote:
i all have to say is for pure str blader you go with

90 bicheon
90 fire
72 OR 90light
48 OR 30ice

if you do something crazy like a 90 force you are going to regret it, have fun deleveling it at 90



okay in case you havent read my reasoning behind this. Bladers do weak damage right? yes, everyone knows that. Bladers also tank realy well right? yea. now since i can tank i can afford to play around with lots of force debufs to increase my damgage and make me a killer build instead of just a tank. Furthermore light will alow me to attack multiple targets and in conjuncion with my freind a lvl 80 fully farmed nuker, well own in chinese pvp. And Yes i do know the importance of having bicheon as a blader. thats why i put it first before any skill on the topic.

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 Post subject: Re: New blader build 90 Bich 90 Light 90 force 30 fire
PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 3:51 am 
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CLOT wrote:
KarmaPolice wrote:
i all have to say is for pure str blader you go with

90 bicheon
90 fire
72 OR 90light
48 OR 30ice

if you do something crazy like a 90 force you are going to regret it, have fun deleveling it at 90


its never crazy to lvl force, its the same as saying u are crazy to have a warlock
but force is better for nukers/bowers actually, not really for pure str

cuz for nukers/bowers its easier to distribute the mastery
nuker : 90force 90light 90ice 30fire
bower : 90force 90pacheon 90fire 30ice

u see bower is w/o light but its ok cuz it is ranged and has KB...but melee has to hv light and u gotta sacrifice fire imbue/phy attack



of course force is good for str builds. especial bladers who deal the lowest damage of all chinese builds. i have no need for ice because snow shield is unimportant as a blader (although it may help a bit) Light deals the most consistant damage plus its status decreases parry ratio. so i do even more damage. and the fire buffs dont realy increase my damage nearly as much as force debufs will. fire is over rated. look at all my reasoning throughout this thread and think outside the box. i gaurentee you once im 90 and fully farmed people will start making more of this build :D

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 Post subject: Re: New blader build 90 Bich 90 Light 90 force 30 fire
PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 6:19 am 
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requires even more patience than leveling/farming fire blader. but i personally think this will be a great build as a guild/union leader and fantastic as a healer. i wont say it's gonna be the build for pvp, but its really a great asset in any wars.


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 Post subject: Re: New blader build 90 Bich 90 Light 90 force 30 fire
PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 11:07 am 
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of course force is good for str builds. especial bladers who deal the lowest damage of all chinese builds. i have no need for ice because snow shield is unimportant as a blader (although it may help a bit) Light deals the most consistant damage plus its status decreases parry ratio. so i do even more damage. and the fire buffs dont realy increase my damage nearly as much as force debufs will. fire is over rated. look at all my reasoning throughout this thread and think outside the box. i gaurentee you once im 90 and fully farmed people will start making more of this build :D
I like Force too. In PvE, it's great when you're fighting a giant or being attacked by a lot of high lvl mobs. Just put up Harmony Therapy and you can wear it/them down without having to worry about other mobs. My res skills have already been useful when there hasn't been a cleric available. Later on there are the debuffs which are good for PvP. I went the totally defensive way though, and picked 90 bicheon, 90 cold, 90 force and 30 light. I might go 80 force and 40 light though, I'm not sure yet. Maybe I'll even settle for cold 80 and get light 50, just for grass walk, increased parry and extra magic damage.

With Force I get a lot more MP from the passive, which actually makes it possible to use Snow Shield.

Yes, bladers already have great defensive stats, but I still want Frost Guard, Snow Shield and Cold Armor, to make me even harder to kill. Cold is also great for PvE, if a bit slow, since it keeps you from taking a lot of damage when you freeze your enemies.

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