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Okay i have a sword/shield nuker chinese lvl 25 currently getting lvl 30 anyways when the 90 cap comes out what will be the best chinese to use like to hunt in massive spots like lets say roc mountain or a cave or something like a pure str bow, or s/s shield, just give me your ideas and then a guide to the build or just say like 90 fire 90 pach or 90 bicheion etc.

thank you!

Tbh, its quite close for all builds. Bladers chains get more lethal, bowers get.....even more crits and kb...nukers get stronger, and glaives get......more of the same old shit haha!

So imo overall id say bladers are! But im a nuker anyway!

The 90 cap gives:
bicheon: new stab
heuksal: nothing special
pacheon: some handy new skills I believe, but I haven't looked into it yet
cold: nothing special
fire: nothing special
lightning: level 86 and level 90 lightning nuke to use; very handy
force: division dealing vital spot

So as far as I can tell it's bow users, lightning based nukers, and force users that really benefit from the 90 cap. Things will change again at the 100 cap though, when bicheon will get its second effect dealing chain, and lightning nukers will be stuck trying to figure out what they're going to use for a second nuke if they've dropped fire.

fixed, not sure abt pacheon

I was not trying to list all the changes, only the important ones. You're right about the new shield skill for bicheon though, I missed that one. The new book of knock down is just a continuation of previous series, as is the ghost spear book. The new fire nukes are also just continuations (the only reason I list the lightning nuke here is because this is the one cap I know of where you have 2 usable lightning nukes at your disposal). The jump in physical defense is nothing spectacular: it's still the same percentage increase compared to your equipment (the equipment lists a similar increase).

the jump in ice phy def is spectacular if u compared it with ice 0-80, 1 big reason why ppl should choose 90 ice

The jump in both passive and buff is from 81 to 132 physical defense. A level 77 armor chestpiece has 124.7 physical defense; a level 90 armor chestpiece has 186.6 physical defense. You see a similar increase in all other equipment. All defenses increase a lot from 8D to 9D, and the same should go for the buffs. Hence I wouldn't call it spectacular; the ice buff/passive adds a certain % to your physical defense, and as far as I can tell that % doesn't differ much between 8D and 9D, so the total effect should be the same between 8D and 9D as well. If you thought ice 80 was needed at the 80 cap, then ice 90 will be good at the 90 cap. Personally, I get ice mostly for the 40% snow shield and frost nova, so ice 60 is enough for me (and saves me a ton of SP).

you mean, you are talking about the same old shit, right?

from lvl 90 on, nukers become weaker and weaker, cuz they can't use the stronger fire imbue and some stronger fire nukes, because they rely on snowshield.

archer gets new anti devil with crit 40 (or 45?) increase, nothing else, what is worth mentioning.

glaive gets new mars

blade gets new kd and new stab, which won't make them that more deadly.

It depends on what you combine those lightning nukes with. You either combine them with good protection (snow shield and physical defense), strong nukes (fire), weapon skills (bicheon or heuksal), or force (vital spot). What worries me is the enormous increase in HP and the lack of new pot sizes for Chinese characters. I currently don't see how Chinese will be able to compete with Euro characters, but then again: that wasn't the topic of this post.



At the 100 cap, blade gets a new effect dealing chain, which will make it very hard to fight a blader unless you are/have a cleric at your disposal. Once that division kicks in, you will probably not survive the knockdown with 4 stabs. Around level 110 or 120, they get another chain that combines all these effects (6 possible effects on one chain). The same of course goes for a sword/shield nuker that uses bicheon/lightning. I have not yet found a non-SUN Chinese character I can't kill with 2 nukes after that division kicks in. Combine that with dull, fear, bleed, etc. and you've got a pretty good build.

@phulshof
reason why nukers become weak from lvl 90 on:
1. you pick cold in favor of fire: you got good protection, but ur damage is lower than using fire imbue

2. you pick fire in favor of cold: you die after 5 secs

but in both cases u die after snow shield turns off, if you don't have sosun gears.


blader do get new chain at lvl 100. but all the effects, except stun, can be pilled away. so thats not a real threat to me. i can even tank a full int s/s with division on me. so bladers dont pose a real threat to full str characters. cuz as glaive i got stun and as bow i got knockback.

If you assume 2 masteries, then up to the 120 cap you could very effectively keep cold as a sub. It could be either lightning/bicheon with 60 cold or lightning/fire with 60 cold or lightning/force with 60 cold. Beyond that: your STR char will have fire and weapon; how do you think you'll keep up with me without grasswalk?

If you don't have sosun gears, then I seriously doubt you'll live through 2 nukes once division hits you, and with 6 effects being thrown on you regularly, you can't pill it off fast enough. More important though: that fire imbue will get less and less useful as your magical balance slowly drops to 20%.

The whole discussion seems to focused on 1vs1 pvp as well. The game will most likely move more and more towards group activity, which means your weaknesses (like lack of grasswalk) will be compensated by your teammembers. I think one should more look towards what type of character would be fun to play, and function well within a group.

@phulshof
of course im talking of the strengh and weakness of a single character. in group fights, almost everything can be compensated, so it would be nonsense to lead a discussion on that basis.

dude, im not planning for 100+, cuz then i won't be playing sro anymore. it does not make sense for me to think about a matter, which won't affect me.

i can pill all status away with only one pill. your division is then useful as a toiletpaper full of holes. so it is not a real threat. just live with it. and as i already mentioned: i even can tank a full int s/s with division on me. why? cuz i got bloody fan storm (15 secs) and because i stun (5 secs) and knockback (at least 3 secs). again dude, i don't stand there like a puppet waiting for u to kill me. bicheon already got division now and they can't kill a full str char with good gears too. cuz i just pill it away, if it's necessary. just accept the fact, that full ints are getting worse and worse. and dont talk to me again, if you start with 120+ cap. i dont have time for this childish shit.

ps: if i haven't sold my gears yet, i could show u, how useless ur division is and how i kick your a$$, since we're on the same server.

Well, you stated: "from level 90 on". It would have been nice if you had just said: "between level 90 and 100, because I refuse to look beyond level 100".

As for that pvp: unless you have SUN (which I don't) it will probably be a potting match. I can't remember the last time I lost a pvp match against a full STR Chinese character that didn't have SUN, but I agree that I need division to kill one unless he has crappy gear. Unfortunately I'll first have to change the gender on my main character, since I recently transferred all my gear to my 2nd. With regards to skills: it's not like I'll stand still either. I have skills like ironwall shield and KD at my disposal (I'll assume you're at least ice immune) to stop you from killing me too quickly when my snow shield runs out. Did I mention I wear armor?

With regards to pilling though: yes, you can pill the effects away now, but with a 15 second pill delay, and 6 effects in the chains at the 100 cap, I think it will become increasingly difficult to keep up.

im only saying that the trade-off for full str is less complicated than full int or int based characters. im not really planning or thinking about lvl caps after 90, cuz then i wont play sro any more.

if you are hybrid wearing armor and using shield, i also don't think i can kill u. i was focussing on full ints.

regarding the 6 status. you can only have 6 from lvl 100 on. and it's not that you can spawn all status possible on me by using chains one time. thats very very rare. besides, the only dangerous status is division.

im not only ice immune, im immune against everything (ice, fire, lightning, poison). my gears are +4, but full blue. no full int or hybrid, either with with s/s or spear, could ever kill me. i could even tank a sosun sword, but with snow shield 25%. and i could even kill him.

Let's be honest here: most pvp'ers just spam their buttons, and have no strategy whatsoever. Those people are easily defeated by someone who knows what (s)he's doing. When you have two well farmed, well equipped people facing each other, it's a potwar. Also, the premiums and avatar items give a huge advantage to those who wear them. Last: you and I are some of the few people actually using the new pills. Like you, I am totally immune to all standard effects, so I only need the other pill type.

I've often killed multiple STR (and INT) characters at the same time, simply because they have no idea what they're doing, or because their equipment is way below standard. Mine is similar to yours: between +3 and +5 with good blues, and I'm wise enough to hit my buffs when I need them, use KD when I get in trouble, or phantom walk for a moment's rest (never into the safe zone though) so I can recover, and send in a nuke or 2 before my opponent gets close again (also a tactic when that division doesn't get pilled away: 2 nukes is usually enough).

With regard to status effects: I agree that division is the one that gets you killed, but dull, fear, and impotence are the ones that prevent you from winning.

your biggest mistake is to assume that u can spawn the statuses u need on me in the right moment.

In a potwar, any moment I could get the statuses on you and make them stick will be the right moment.