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 Post subject: Playing tips for rogue/warlock
PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 6:01 pm 
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can someone post playing tips for rogue/ warlock .. thier kinda complicated to use in pvp, so if someone who has such experience can share it with us it would be great

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 Post subject: Re: Playing tips for rogue/warlock
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You don't need warlock debuffs. >_>

Well, my strategy would be, go invis, then take out your cleric rod and keep debuffing him =D

Then after the debuffs, show him a nice crit of your daggers/Xbow!

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 Post subject: Re: Playing tips for rogue/warlock
PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:55 pm 
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idk,, that video of the rogue/warlock pvp compilation seemed too complicated
the guy moved between F1, F2, F3 VERY fast.. and seemed to act according to the situation.
the timimg and usage of stun, slumber or blood traps didnt seem random either, so i guess there is some sort of pattern or playstyle he follows

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 Post subject: Re: Playing tips for rogue/warlock
PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:14 pm 
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BloodyBlade wrote:
You don't need warlock debuffs. >_>

Well, my strategy would be, go invis, then take out your cleric rod and keep debuffing him =D

Then after the debuffs, show him a nice crit of your daggers/Xbow!

u can debuff with cleric rod o_O

my advice
not to be a rogue/warlock xD

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 Post subject: Re: Playing tips for rogue/warlock
PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 12:17 am 
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well the main pattern is to stun, debuffs, curses (maybe), and DEATHTRAP!!, and the sleep....and then switch weapons, use the rogue buff to increase attack (forgot name >.<) and kill.

also most ppl use vampire touch/kiss first to give the opponent 'disease' status which really helps in debuffing and cursing ppl. also it could help you reduce the dmg taken.

but i've only played to about 40 or so...not too much experience yet.

rogue/warlock is a fun build...but remember to remain pure str lol.

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 Post subject: Re: Playing tips for rogue/warlock
PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 12:35 am 
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just debuff and spam stuns :D

hp leech to get hp back when pots are on cooldown

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 Post subject: Re: Playing tips for rogue/warlock
PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:30 am 
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Use stun, use vampire touch/vampire kiss to give your enemies disease, then debuff (physical rage, combat rage, courage rage),once your enemies are debuffed use bloody trap and sleep, cast DaggerDesperate and slash the shit out of your enemy 8)
Trust me, its a killer build, my char is a lvl 80 rogue/warlock (farming).

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 Post subject: Re: Playing tips for rogue/warlock
PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:57 am 
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so basicly u stun first? i thought u should be using combat raze first to decrease damage dealt to u if stun fails..
also if u just stun-->debuff-->sleep-->DD , XE --> kill ... when do u actually use bloody traps?? the guy in the vid was using those traps all the time, although i think rogue damge+debuffs is very much enough to kill anything. so is farming traps pointless?

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 Post subject: Re: Playing tips for rogue/warlock
PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 12:28 pm 
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i also noticed the guy didnt use xbow at all.. idk if he just didnt farm it, or it isnt necessary with lock as a sub, since the debuffs have a pretty short range anyway.
this is very important since rogue /warlock needs lots of farming so saving some sp from xbow skills will help.

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 Post subject: Re: Playing tips for rogue/warlock
PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:20 pm 
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xbow has longer range than warlock... no point in using xbow up close... it has lower quick damage


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 Post subject: Re: Playing tips for rogue/warlock
PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 6:47 pm 
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isnt xbow better than daggers in pve though? i mean, wont it make hunting easier, even though it isnt needed pvp ?

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 Post subject: Re: Playing tips for rogue/warlock
PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:16 pm 
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About my cleric rod mistake, I'm a rogue/cleric, so forgive me x)


Ohya, you may want to use stun before you debuff him/her.

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 Post subject: Re: Playing tips for rogue/warlock
PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 8:12 pm 
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Ideally, you should switch weapons and activate Dagger Desperate / Xbow Extreme while the enemy is stunned.
This is a rogue/warlock with daggers:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=DnCmMwrj60o

Couldn't find one with Xbow though.

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 Post subject: Re: Playing tips for rogue/warlock
PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:49 pm 
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i find this build is a little pointless since normally you can kill them anyways. however i can see how it'd be really effective in group pvp. the reason for not using x bow is that its slow to attack and has does elss dmg per sec than a good dagger user.
yes xbow are good in pve but thats because you can snipe your enemies, which makes warlock pointless in pve.
in 1v1 i do suggest putting a dot up and then stunning and throwing 2 more up and sleep. depending on what you're fighting you should throw the trap down and switch to daggs then dd. if a melee opponent that will most likely get close to you quickly like warrior or chinese with phantom walk, then the trap would be useful. as for ranged units there really isnt a point. however if you wanted to you could throw on fog sight adn run back and snipe with xbow.
as for group pvp against 2 or 3 oppps. id try to throw on the curse that lowers phys def to two diff opponents that are clsoe then group sleep/stun. switch to daggs, dd, scud and take out those two quickly.

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 Post subject: Re: Playing tips for rogue/warlock
PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:40 am 
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dannoob wrote:
i find this build is a little pointless since normally you can kill them anyways. however i can see how it'd be really effective in group pvp. the reason for not using x bow is that its slow to attack and has does elss dmg per sec than a good dagger user.
yes xbow are good in pve but thats because you can snipe your enemies, which makes warlock pointless in pve.
in 1v1 i do suggest putting a dot up and then stunning and throwing 2 more up and sleep. depending on what you're fighting you should throw the trap down and switch to daggs then dd. if a melee opponent that will most likely get close to you quickly like warrior or chinese with phantom walk, then the trap would be useful. as for ranged units there really isnt a point. however if you wanted to you could throw on fog sight adn run back and snipe with xbow.
as for group pvp against 2 or 3 oppps. id try to throw on the curse that lowers phys def to two diff opponents that are clsoe then group sleep/stun. switch to daggs, dd, scud and take out those two quickly.

hope this helped a bit

sure did.. :)
dropping xbow will save alot of sp from a build that needs loads of farming.. so it does count
but did u mean "debuffs" by "dots" ? u know dots do int based damage, so they arent much help in a rogue/warlock

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 Post subject: Re: Playing tips for rogue/warlock
PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 8:50 pm 
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personally, id keep xbow just to farm and pve since its a lot easier to do. and no i mean debuff not dot. stuff like physical raze and courage raze are debuffs. dots would be pointless


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