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 Post subject: New Idea for 80:80 Hybrid Bow want to hear some opinions xD
PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:22 pm 
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Hey all,

atm i have a pure int s/s nuker and i want to make a new char pwrlvled by my old char. I was thinking of taking a bow because of the distance and awesome kB and Stunn ability. I have read that 80:80 do more average dmg then pure str. And it works better with my build.
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Pacheon 80 xD
Light 80
Ice 60
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The main feature of my PVP build is the force tree. Using vital spot abilities to weaken the opponent. And u have more mp. So i will use Force abilities to weaken the def of opponent and to lower opponents attack (Impotent) the probability of 80% on the skills will increase the efficiency by a lot.
I will use light over fire, because half dmg is caused by mag dmg so mag dmg inc or phy def inc will be the same. I dont have a mag def buff, but a parry buff which will lower the mag AND the phy dmg i will receive. What is most important about chosing light over fire is the grasswalk skills speed inc and slide is very practical for a bow char.
Pacheon skills will promote high crtical chance, which will increase each cap, stun with Strong bow will inc by 5% each new skill lvl, and kB will save u from opponents attacks. At 94 with 6 combo u can use 5 and 6 combo nonstop xD.
So i was thinking that debuffed by Force attacks my ranged attacks will hit very hard esp with a crt.
I know this build will be very hard to play in pvp buy i am an experienced pvper.
I chose ice for 40% mana shield and will be able to deal with this since i get extra mana from Force tree. I will use PROT as equip.

At 90 cap i will reduce ice to 30 and 100 cap to 0

now i am open for some good comments and critics

ready, set, GOO

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 Post subject: Re: New Idea for 80:80 Hybrid Bow want to hear some opinions xD
PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:40 pm 
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Well, this build will be doing a lot of damage, but its defense abilities will suck. You will frequently get either 1, 2 or 3 hitted without snow shield, and maybe even with it on. Though, again, it will be hella strong. On higher caps you will probably get owned without snow shield, though on 90 cap and higher, we cant really make assumptions as we dont know exactly how skills and stats will be, but you wont be getting the big help from snow shield. You will need to kill your enemies before they touch you, good nukers and archers will be killing you easily (I think).
This build will probably be somewhat like a nuker, doing a lot of damage, but easily dying without a good snow shield.

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 Post subject: Re: New Idea for 80:80 Hybrid Bow want to hear some opinions xD
PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:12 pm 
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Well yes i think u hit the critical part about my build. The defence abilities r questionable. I mean i will still have 40% snow which does suffice concidering i will have about 14.5k hp and i have impotent which will split the oponents dmg in half for 30 sec except for when he pills it off but then it only takes 1 sec to put it back on.


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 Post subject: Re: New Idea for 80:80 Hybrid Bow want to hear some opinions xD
PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:13 pm 
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I would recommend a higher phy balance 85+ will give the crit of a pure str, but still do more average damage, the build im doing is 86:43 str hybrid. after the 90 cap I will be making a bow build with the same masteries 90pach/90light/90force/30ice cause the more I think about, u really dont need fire. The only major you thing I will loose is magical defense :(, but with a good set of garms you should be fine. The damage will be made up for by vital spot and immunity can be replaced by cure therapy. Also, this build will be a great power lvler cause of all of the AoEs from the bow tree and u will hav splash damage from the light imbue.

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 Post subject: Re: New Idea for 80:80 Hybrid Bow want to hear some opinions xD
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Im gonna follow this also dude ill make it ^.^

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 Post subject: Re: New Idea for 80:80 Hybrid Bow want to hear some opinions xD
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what do you do, if snow shield goes off? u cant survice that 1 min

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 Post subject: Re: New Idea for 80:80 Hybrid Bow want to hear some opinions xD
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@vanom well 1 st of all your opponent will hardly survive the 2 mins xD. And as i said i will rely on impotent a lot which is immo even better then snow shield xD ( 50% less dmg)


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 Post subject: Re: New Idea for 80:80 Hybrid Bow want to hear some opinions xD
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Fire over Force sounds better to me. And if you think about it.. you are dropping Flame body series too. If you get 80 Light/Fire and get both Force Piercing and Flame Body, you'll do better than those pansy force skills. And you will also be the ultimate Tank against Pure INTs.

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 Post subject: Re: New Idea for 80:80 Hybrid Bow want to hear some opinions xD
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80:80? how would u get it i thought best you get at 80 cap was 70:70...

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 Post subject: Re: New Idea for 80:80 Hybrid Bow want to hear some opinions xD
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nohunta wrote:
80:80? how would u get it i thought best you get at 80 cap was 70:70...

you can wear equips that add str and int, so naked = like 69:70 or 70:69, then you put the items on, and with the full stats addition, you should get around 80:80, not including the avatars stuff by the way.

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 Post subject: Re: New Idea for 80:80 Hybrid Bow want to hear some opinions xD
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The main problem with 70:70 Bow is that without the best gear available, you will suffer fatally from a lack of HP. I definitely agree that a hybrid bow should have a higher phys balance than int because those crits do come often, but they're practically meaningless because they lack the KICK that makes them be "CRITICAL" if you know what I mean.

Hybrid is a great build for grinding and unique killing, and it is FUN. I love my hybrid bow!

If you have awesome gear available to you, then by all means, give this build a try and tell us how it goes, but remember... if you fight someone else with similar gear that is a str bow... they will win because your crits won't kill them and they'll pot through your non-crit dmg, even though it is higher than a pure str.



I hope a level 80 hyb bow tells me I'm completely wrong.

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 Post subject: Re: New Idea for 80:80 Hybrid Bow want to hear some opinions xD
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eh... in cSRO im going Pach/Light/Force for the current 90 cap, since its fun and unique.


and since i can go pach/light 150/150 easily.


So hybrid since it is mastery friendly. :D


Since i can go Pach/Light maxed and still have grass walk and phantom

Instead of

Pach/fire without grass or Pacheon with weak fire and light

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 Post subject: Re: New Idea for 80:80 Hybrid Bow want to hear some opinions xD
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Hey guys thx for the replies.
Btw i have a +5+6 str 5 int 5 full blue prot equip available xD.
So thats one of my further concerns. Would prot be the right gear?
I mean it will definafely boost my phy def by a lot but will weaken my mag def by a lot also. So the realy question is r int builds a threat to that build more then str or the other way round.
And i also haven't heard any oppinions on the usage of the impotent skill of Force. Is it relyable and how much it really helps. I heard from a friend (Pure STR Blader lightiningchain) that it splits the dmg received in half. This would be even better then snow shield (no los of mana) and pilling it off is only possible once in 20 sec. (exc. for cleric). I would be glad to hear some opinions about that. xD


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 Post subject: Re: New Idea for 80:80 Hybrid Bow want to hear some opinions xD
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you wont have 14.5k the max is 13777 for a bow with 71:68 i calculated it so i guess you'll have around 13/13.5k hp

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 Post subject: Re: New Idea for 80:80 Hybrid Bow want to hear some opinions xD
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Im a 70:70 (or was, quited) bower. I must admit I've thought of this build set up too when I saw MrFudge his str hybrid force build in action.

Yes you will do alot of damage, but you're proberly laying death on the ground becease of the ultiamte lack of defence zzzzz. (especially at 90 and 100 cap when you even havn't got snow shield anymore) it's proberly a fun build, but imo definetly not a good one


70:70 needs all the defence he can get, his damage is already good, don't need any more.

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For the force/lightning build, I'd go with a 85% STR hybrid.

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 Post subject: Re: New Idea for 80:80 Hybrid Bow want to hear some opinions xD
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Yep, 85%+ with force debuffs will help with survivability a lot. Not to mention at the 90 cap when bow gets a new arrow combo, u can string the 2 arrow combos together.

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@Doctor_MOS:

thx for ur advice well u r right without the debuffs from force u r so much vulnerable to attack well i am not sure what to pick now xD.
I definately want a Force build well prob on 70-70 is prolly that it depends a lot on snow as every int build and i wont have enough masteries for a decent snow later on.
On the other hand with pure str i wont have enough for light and slide which is really important too i think.
85% str balance is already quite a lot str an barely any int so the mag dmg inc buff will be almost pointless.


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Well, 85% str hybrid is about 3:1 str:int. So that's quite hybrid.

trust me it'll be alot of fun =)

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gorste91 wrote:
@Doctor_MOS:

thx for ur advice well u r right without the debuffs from force u r so much vulnerable to attack well i am not sure what to pick now xD.
I definately want a Force build well prob on 70-70 is prolly that it depends a lot on snow as every int build and i wont have enough masteries for a decent snow later on.
On the other hand with pure str i wont have enough for light and slide which is really important too i think.
85% str balance is already quite a lot str an barely any int so the mag dmg inc buff will be almost pointless.


:? It is not like ur gunna be nuking, the only thing magical damage buff will help for u is ur imbue strength.

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 Post subject: Re: New Idea for 80:80 Hybrid Bow want to hear some opinions xD
PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:26 am 
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i have abandon char 2:1 str hybr bow at level 42...aming 90%+ phy after blue..i think is more HP version of 1:1 and 70:70.will continue if i go more time.

OT: one thing strange about this game is u can achive 77% phy and 90% mag with 1:2 int hybrid but cannot achive 90% phy and 77% mag for str hybrid.
if u go 90% phy u'll get only 65% mag balance:P


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