Silkroad Online Forums

Fly built a str bard, I dont mean warrior/bard, I mean str bard. It works pretty good because the attacks are absolute dmg.

I have a pure cleric, no attacks skills and I dont know anyone else who ever made one. I dont even have the first passive. I wear the LA and am purely defensive. I've always liked it.

<--- Pure cleric.

For Chinese it is much easier to manipulate your character so I disagree with your anti-cookie cutter mindset.

your options are so large for chinese, pure int/str or ranging hybrid. 4 elements and 3 weapon classes.

You can combine them all if you wish.

Euro is a much more basic approach... At least that is what I thought when i made my euro.. it was all so straight forward and made complete sense.

But generally speaking, your class Warrior/wizard is inferior...

So you are asking why don't ppl make inferior characters? pretty dumb question really.

Amazed to read so many people going unique builds, truly awesome!
And "LivithiuM", I thought I made this clear earlier, how do you think warrior-warlock came to live? Cause someone decided to try something new! Ofcourse it's unlikely my build is as "good" as his, but I still like it in any way possible, and I think that's what matters. Not wether you say it's inferior or cause i can't move fast or heal myself. And not trying to brag, but truly a shame you ain't on Athens. Still thanks for your opinion!

I didn't intend to strike a nerve with you...

I jsut mean that I have seen "alternative" builds for chinese and most are simply inferior to the more logical builds.

It is the same for euro builds. Each has its strengths and weaknesses but my main point was: Why create a char that does some cool skills if it just gets pwned... ?

P.S. you showing a video of a euro beating ppl in 1v1 is not what i consider pvp... I see no point in the classes that can guarantee take down 1 person then die a miserable death.

I do agree that less used builds can be cool, however why attack "cookie-cutter" builds...?

Power, oh how it drives people from their original goal.Its sad really.

The whole point of that build is surviving multiple people, what other Wizard can increase its HP, and both defenses at will? disable all attacks with various different attacks, sure its a passive mode, but how else do you survive anything as a wizard.

just stick with wizzard! your just wacking them with your sword anyway. then you switch to wizzar staff and own them.

LivithiuM and devin, my second reason to get warrior was survivability, it has increased immensely and I can keep going after those battles in my video, it's not like my robes have to cooldown nor did I rely on any buffs with a high cooldown to win, and I'm not attacking the cookie-cutter builds themselves, I'm asking the people why they keep going things that have proven to work and are not that difficult, or in Tedtwilliger's words: "Power, oh how it drives people from their original goal. Its sad really.". Where I see the original goal (I'm just interpreting it that way) as having fun, either solo or group-based. It's like the story of Hercules finding 2 ladies on his path, one offering a fast easy way, without to much work, the other offering the long road but the final result being worth it. And I'm not saying glaivers are easier to level or anything, I'm talking about making choises there.

You are talking about choices but you assume all the reasons why people make certain choices.

You label builds as cookie cutter but I tell you it is not so straight forward anymore.

You also insinuate people are power hungry for choosing these labelled cookie cutter builds however it is not always the case.

Personally I had been an archer before. When Xian first opened I played. I used to be archer in any mmo I played.

This time around I wanted to be a tank that could actually do some damage as well.

I completely accept that you think you have made this unique class however I don't think it is appropriate you label others as "an easy build", "no work".

Honestly I think you should rethink what you say... You are now stating that my build, full farmed level 80 pure str glavie legit was an easy ride. Yet your euro char that you got pleveled and pfarmed(yes i'm doing the assuming now) is somehow superior to my build because you have taken a different approach following your own guide.

You also say why do we all choose these classes that are cookie cutter yet you don't realise how long ago most lvl 80 chinese class players made the choice to be what they would be... How can you make these judgements when 95% of the Chinese lvl 80 legits were made before euro even came out to give us more options.

Furthermore I am am currently making a light armour based cleric with a wizard sub for fort war.

I understand you putting your class ideas here, i do, but don't belittle other classes while your doing it.

They are an easy ride though. A monkey could play a Glaiver all it takes is Imbue + Attack Skills... Heck a monkey could play most builds that don't require bar or weapon switching. Also when you can use more complex builds to deal with these simpler ones it even cements them as being the easy way out even more. You chose your build most likely knowing it is worse than others and yet you still make it. It is most likely not because you like the build that much but more because of its advantages in those unconventional things, such as SP Farming, Grind Ability, Etc.

And although there is the point of the, "I already took all this time to make this character!", why don't you just Power Farm and Power Level it. Not only will you be at an advantage going through the second time with the knowledge of the game but you will be fully farmed, unless you decided to only Power Level. Just take the time to make the better character because in the end it will be worth it... >_>

but does less dmg than a str blader!!!

LivithiuM,
Please quote me where I said people are power hungry for cookie cutters?
Please quote me where I said that other builds are easier to level or make in any way?
Please qoute me where I state that your pure strength glaive was a easy ride?
Please tell me how you know I got completely powerleveled and -farmed?
I only mentioned 2 classes who are, in my PERSONAL view, comparable to a cookiecutter, "all choose these classes" refers to more then two?
I'm merely giving my opinion and asking for those of other people's, please quote me where I judge people?
And last, please quote me where I belittle other classes, I merely said some owners lack creativity?

Please don't draw conclusions so fast and read carefully what I write, and to make things clear, I'm not trying to attack or offend you in any way.

I hate stupid quote wars... but here goes for you;

Please quote me where I said people are power hungry for cookie cutters?

You take Tedwilliger's words as your own:


Please quote me where I said that other builds are easier to level or make in any way?
Here you insinuate that "cookie cutters" take a "fast easy way"


Please qoute me where I state that your pure strength glaive was a easy ride?

You already stated this by saying;
a)pure str glavie was a cookie cutter build and
b)you insinuated already that "cookie cutters" take a "fast easy way"

Please tell me how you know I got completely powerleveled and -farmed?

As I said you insinuate and make assumptions yourself so I made the assumption that you got powerleveled and/or powerfarmed!

The real question is, answer me, am I correct in my assumption?


And last, please quote me where I belittle other classes, I merely said some owners lack creativity?

I am sorry but when you say that a person has taken the easy road when leveling to 80 this belittles their character.
When you say they are not creative when they make their character this belittles their character.
When you take Ted's words and say certain classes are power hungry you belittle their chars and the ppl who made them.

Please don't draw conclusions so fast and read carefully what I write, and to make things clear, I'm not trying to attack or offend you in any way

I do not draw conclusions fast.
Please refer to your original post remember this is a poll against cookie cutters. Why did you not make the poll "who thinks making an original character or unique character is a waste of time?"

Please just think about it before you reply...

There's nothing wrong in using a "cookiecutter" build. Whatever is fun to you, is fun to you. That's what really just matters.

i reckon warrior/wizard is a better build than wizard/warrior

u can fear and then just daredevil away while tanking at the same time
a wizard most likely gets 1 hit if caught off guard compared to warriors

an invisible daredevil is also kinda scary...my 2 cents

Yeah, I agree totally. Being a warrior, you'd get way more out of wizard than what a wizard could get out of a warrior. You get mana drought, mana drain, fear, invisible, and other skills that I couldn't think off the top of my head.

...

Please quote me where I said people are power hungry for cookie cutters?
You take Tedwilliger's words as your own:

And right after that, which I guess you missed,

Quote:

And I'm not saying glaivers are easier to level or anything, I'm talking about making choises there.

Please quote me where I said that other builds are easier to level or make in any way?
Here you insinuate that "cookie cutters" take a "fast easy way"

Sigh, and right after that And right after that, which I guess you missed also,

Quote:

And I'm not saying glaivers are easier to level or anything, I'm talking about making choises there.]

Please qoute me where I state that your pure strength glaive was a easy ride?
You already stated this by saying;
a)pure str glavie was a cookie cutter build and
b)you insinuated already that "cookie cutters" take a "fast easy way"
Same thing as above..

Please tell me how you know I got completely powerleveled and -farmed?
As I said you insinuate and make assumptions yourself so I made the assumption that you got powerleveled and/or powerfarmed!
Believe me when I say I did my fair share of grinding, or you may assume here I lie, go ahead, and no, you're wrong, I did recieve powerleveling (by legit hands, and not a moment I was AFK), but only up to level 60, from there just ticket time+x hours party grinding to get to 80 as soon as possible, most fun I ever had in silkroad

And last, please quote me where I belittle other classes, I merely said some owners lack creativity?
I am sorry but when you say that a person has taken the easy road when leveling to 80 this belittles their character.
When you say they are not creative when they make their character this belittles their character.
When you take Ted's words and say certain classes are power hungry you belittle their chars and the ppl who made them.
Once again,

Quote:

And I'm not saying glaivers are easier to level or anything, I'm talking about making choises there.]

and yes, I do wonder if they just wanna know certain that their build wont "suck" or if it's a lack of creativity, I just hope the first ofcourse.

Please don't draw conclusions so fast and read carefully what I write, and to make things clear, I'm not trying to attack or offend you in any way
I do not draw conclusions fast.
Please refer to your original post remember this is a poll against cookie cutters. Why did you not make the poll "who thinks making an original character or unique character is a waste of time?"
I agree on my pollname, it makes no sense, >changed<.

And concerning your opinion thusfar, I get your point ok? Lets not let this go to a flamewar (honestly I considered using some faul language already, but refrained, manners ) alright?

I agree. I leave it as it is. I will refrain from arguing against someone that cotnradicts themselves in their own statements.

It's all good.

lol at the pure int wizard/warrior

so basicly you only use the knockback skill from warrior? and the phy/mag def boosts?

How useless. In your video you always end up killing your enemy with 1-2 wiz skills. And the Wizard already have 1 knockback skill... And Cleric have as good survivality as Warrior, but its meant for pure int while warrior is pure str.

With your pure int Wizard/Warrior you cant kill anything when you are as a Warrior, yes you can probably survive better but what for? To run around in circle? At least as a Cleric you could still use its attacks, heal yourself, buff other people...

Why everyone goes Wiz/Cleric? Because its the best.

The point in having a sub is to be able to use as much skills from it with some benifit.

Oh and since i dont bot 24/24 7 days a week I cant really bother "trying" builds that will eventuelly end up complete trash.

But hey good job on probably making the worse euro build possible
Like someone else said, i would go Warrior with Wiz sub before going Wiz with Warrior sub, for mana drain/invisibility/fear/ and status like dull and frozen you can get from the nukes.

hahaha.....im gonna make a chinese STR nuker with pacheon and bicheon with cold as my 3rd......just so i dont follow the trend of those tried and tested strong builds...i enjoy wasting my time farming sp on something which renders me useless and weaker than i could be.

Cookiecutter what a load of bullshit that is lmao!

Speaking of which I thought I saw a quick video of a ksro Warrior Wizard fighting cerberus or something. Might keep an eye on that .

But yeah I don't like being the same. At start of euro I went wizard subclass as a sorta support for Warlock. It worked great for pvp with teleport giving me lots of room and the earth fence etc. But I died easily. That's when I went hybrid int on my build. But the sp really grew on me and I wanted to be a better soloer so I eventually went cleric. Lot's of warlock wiz now though with ong powerfarm.

edit* Nope not ksro, jsro

http://www.veoh.com/videos/v4239604FdsA ... 28&rank=13
Can't see much from that but it's something to keep an eye on perhaps when he/she uploads some videos utilizing both trees.

Thats my build Its going to be so pwnage.

@You_Dead_Yet & Hideoki you reciprocate my ideas about his build perfectly however I am not so mean to cut him down to size like that LOL

Yeah, I agree totally. Being a warrior, you'd get way more out of wizard than what a wizard could get out of a warrior. You get mana drought, mana drain, fear, invisible, and other skills that I couldn't think off the top of my head.[/quote]Speaking of which I thought I saw a quick video of a ksro Warrior Wizard fighting cerberus or something. Might keep an eye on that .

But yeah I don't like being the same. At start of euro I went wizard subclass as a sorta support for Warlock. It worked great for pvp with teleport giving me lots of room and the earth fence etc. But I died easily. That's when I went hybrid int on my build. But the sp really grew on me and I wanted to be a better soloer so I eventually went cleric. Lot's of warlock wiz now though with ong powerfarm.

edit* Nope not ksro, jsro

http://www.veoh.com/videos/v4239604FdsA ... 28&rank=13
Can't see much from that but it's something to keep an eye on perhaps when he/she uploads some videos utilizing both trees.[/quote]

Thats my build Its going to be so pwnage.[/quote]
That hardly showed anythign from the wizzard side, but teleport on a wizzard i've seen can be very helpfull

I think this is the ultimate summary of it:

Cookie cutters in SRO are just like they are in real life. If you use them, you will get cookies which are the same as everyone elses, they will be clean, neat, and perfect, but common. If you don't use cookie cutters, your cookies will be sloppy, uneven, not perfect, but original.

Same applies to sro, but replace the word "cookies" with "characters".

I doubt the build is so strong. He only makes the opponents death slower by knocking him back with shield thrash. Knock back with the charged wind (i think its called) and then fear status and then kill. No reason to prolong the death, just get it over with. Also, I wonder how many times he had to re film, because I know Fear status doesn't always work.

Actually, cookie-cutters mean what it exactly means, by definition: lacking of originality or distinction. Cookie-cutters doesn't mean that the specific build is good, nor does it mean that the specific build is bad. It's the same thing towards originality. Originality just means it has distinction or being original. Again, this doesn't mean it's bad, nor does it mean it's good

Though, I would say generally cookie-cutter builds are average to good builds, since the majority of the public uses them. Again, as a reminder, originality doesn't mean the build is horrible.

Speaking of which I thought I saw a quick video of a ksro Warrior Wizard fighting cerberus or something. Might keep an eye on that .

But yeah I don't like being the same. At start of euro I went wizard subclass as a sorta support for Warlock. It worked great for pvp with teleport giving me lots of room and the earth fence etc. But I died easily. That's when I went hybrid int on my build. But the sp really grew on me and I wanted to be a better soloer so I eventually went cleric. Lot's of warlock wiz now though with ong powerfarm.

edit* Nope not ksro, jsro

http://www.veoh.com/videos/v4239604FdsA ... 28&rank=13
Can't see much from that but it's something to keep an eye on perhaps when he/she uploads some videos utilizing both trees.[/quote]

Thats my build Its going to be so pwnage.[/quote]
That hardly showed anythign from the wizzard side, but teleport on a wizzard i've seen can be very helpfull[/quote]Yeah you can see he has another video uploaded for fortress http://www.veoh.com/videos/v6236117YQh5rq7t Guess I missed that aswell. It shows the bar for all the wizard skills he has. Video is boring though, he's mostly running around or just using the hammer most of the time :\