Spear or Sword?

raged! · **Joined:** Dec 2007 **Posts:** 269 **Location:**

Repercussion wrote:

raged! wrote:

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what sucks for you is i can kill you in less than 2 minutes

You must be new rage!, without snow shield you will die. A pure int without snow-shield will get one-hit. At 90 cap their is going to be a 60% damage reduction on snow shield... 60%!!! A pure int level 90 will only have about 9000HP in total, and a pure str glavie or bow will easily hit that on you in no time...

I am making a new topic now... so discuss it there...

you must be stupid, snow shield lasts 2 minutes, what im saying is i can kill you in that time

little_panther · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 147 **Location:**

pure INT spear all the way lol

BloodOwnzzz · **Posted:** Sun Mar 09, 2008 5:00 am

Heavy Hybrid Spear nuker. I voted for 7:1 but really 2:1 will probably be better, other than for grinding that is. 2:1 is a Spear/Fire/Light and I really like Fire for Chinese especially nukers. If you are more the Weapon/Light/Ice I suggest 7:1 or Pure Int spear. S/S is really pointless there are plenty of other nuker discussions in which I said why you just need to look for them yourself, usually the big ones because I usually don't post unless I feel it's going to be a good debate.

Personally though I say Fire/Light/Ice no weapon is best. Still, I'm trying to think of a good combination for a Light/Ice/Xxxxx I've just been to busy lately to really look into skills, Final Fantasy X walkthrough took like 20 hours to watch completely and now I'm on to X-2.

raged! · **Joined:** Dec 2007 **Posts:** 269 **Location:**

2:1 hybrid spear is actually a terrible nowadays.
due to snow shield update, ints can actually 'tank' a bit, and thats why ints go for the high damage to kill before snow shield runs out, but with 2:1 your damage is low, your tanking is below-average and thats why it sucks.

BloodOwnzzz · **Posted:** Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:37 am

2:1 Hybrids are for a faster leveling Glaive character not really a Nuker in the sense of how they usually would be, most damage coming out of spealls. Instead their main damage is out of attacks but they still have a strong power attack via nukes. But, once they start to become limited on masteries they will struggle and will actually be bad but for now are fine, you probably will never find one high enough to really show it off good.(As in 80 fully farmed good gear)

raged! · **Joined:** Dec 2007 **Posts:** 269 **Location:**

again, i know this guy in my server, 2:1 spear, terrible damage, cant even kill me when im 76 and hes 80. im severely under farmed, not sure about him.
his damage is garbage, his nuke is garbage, overall he is garbage.
2:1 is actually pretty decent before snow shield, but w/ snow shield its garbage.

mrhawk · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 44 **Location:**

pure int S/S of course. te use of the shield is great

BloodOwnzzz · **Posted:** Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:06 pm

raged! wrote:

again, i know this guy in my server, 2:1 spear, terrible damage, cant even kill me when im 76 and hes 80. im severely under farmed, not sure about him.
his damage is garbage, his nuke is garbage, overall he is garbage.
2:1 is actually pretty decent before snow shield, but w/ snow shield its garbage.

You are a Blader... You eat Nukers for breakfast...

keshi21 · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 84 **Location:**

raged! wrote:

again, i know this guy in my server, 2:1 spear, terrible damage, cant even kill me when im 76 and hes 80. im severely under farmed, not sure about him.
his damage is garbage, his nuke is garbage, overall he is garbage.
2:1 is actually pretty decent before snow shield, but w/ snow shield its garbage.

Then he must be extremely un farmed, my character is 2:1 spear lvl 78 at a 9 gap and i'm not even farmed at the 9 gap but I am able to kill pure STR at my level and even had a pot fight (with snow shield at 33%) with lvl 80 STR glaive full farmed for those 2 mins but of course he won =P. I have no SOS weapon or SOS gear. Just weapon +5, and +5 garm but during that pot fight i was wearing armor +3/+4.

xKingpinx · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 2153 **Location:**

Repercussion wrote:

Well... I heard that the European race will not be getting any new skills at 90 cap... only the Chinese race will... now 100% of this, but I've heard that from a number of people...

...well...I still can't decide on what I should do for my pure int nuker sword/shield... Some people tell me not to get fire... and some people tell me too... so I don't know... This is how I think of it right now...

Cold: The only thing good about cold, is defense, which is crucial to a pure int nuker... you need the snow shield... always will... along with the frost guard series... other than that, the nukes serve no point and are took weak to use as an attack skill.

Lightning: Is a must need for a nuker build. No nuker can leave lightning out... You need Piercing Force Series, Lion Shout Series [Nice To Have], Thunderbolt Force Series, Concentration, Wind Walk Series and Heavens Force Series. So just about everything...

Fire: Fire has some of the most powerful attacks for a nuker. Fire Force Series is the most powerful imbue series you can get... Fire Shield Series is nice to have so you can be fully immune to certain things... especially ice... Fire Protection Series isn't needed if your using garments, but for armor yes... and for protector... kind of "iffy" in my opinion... Flame Body Series is just about worthless to nukers... wont do anything in nukes and probably barely affect you when you use chains... Flame Wave Series, one of the most powerful nukes... All the nukes are more powerful than lightning and have higher %'s on almost all of them too.

Well thats my view on the different forces... and yet I can't decide on a build for 90 cap... Here is some more of my thoughts...

Ice: Its a need... but I don't think it has to be level 90 for you too dominate... I think you can leave it at 80, maybe even 70 and still dominate...

Lightning: Its a must... 90... no exceptions...

Fire: Has the strongest imbues, and nukes... along with good mag defense buffs...but everyone advises me against it... and I am all for it and can't decide... I think this should be leveled high too...

Bicheon: I am thinking I won't really need any skills past level 70, just because I am a nuker... so was thinking about getting it to level 70 and stopping...

So so far I am coming up with this...

Lightning: 90
Bicheon: 70
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70+90 = 160
300-160 = 140
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Now my question is how do I distribute the remaining 140 mastery points?

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Here is my final thought... people have said it sounds good and bad... so looking for more ideas...

70 Bicheon / 80 Fire/ 60 Ice / 90 Lightning

This means I would only have 1 full mastered...

any ideas?

my friend you are very wrong with many things you said in this...

Gemini · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 538 **Location:**

MrSonic wrote:

At the end all nukers have to drop weapon masteries so i would suggest going pure INT spear, good overall PvP performance and the grinding is very easy.

and btw thats like years until that happens and when that happens everyone will go lightning glavie,bow, or blade because a int will not do well they need the weapon master along with ice/light so its gonna be all str from like the 110 cap

Repercussion · **Posted:** Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:28 pm

xKingpinx, care to explain?

last time I check 9% physical damage increase doesn't help when your shooting nukes? Anyone disagree?

Bounzzer · **Joined:** Sep 2007 **Posts:** 514 **Location:**

Repercussion wrote:

xKingpinx, care to explain?

last time I check 9% physical damage increase doesn't help when your shooting nukes? Anyone disagree?

your right it doesn't affect the magical damage (nukes)

Blindfire · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 3844 **Location:** ...

SaoKill wrote:

Pure INT S/S > You
Status+Nuke+Knockdown+Stab+Snowshield = THE SHIT

Stun -> Nuke -> KB -> Nuke etc. What I'm saying is you can nuke more witha spear build in comparison to s/s.

Repercussion · **Posted:** Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:13 pm

The biggest reason I like spear is for the knock-back. I love it, along with stun...

You get to knock them back and than shoot a deadly nuke or stun and nuke them... Destruction either way. =]

LockStar. · **Joined:** Jun 2007 **Posts:** 948 **Location:**

raged! wrote:

Repercussion wrote:

raged! wrote:

-1
what sucks for you is i can kill you in less than 2 minutes

You must be new rage!, without snow shield you will die. A pure int without snow-shield will get one-hit. At 90 cap their is going to be a 60% damage reduction on snow shield... 60%!!! A pure int level 90 will only have about 9000HP in total, and a pure str glavie or bow will easily hit that on you in no time...

I am making a new topic now... so discuss it there...

you must be stupid, snow shield lasts 2 minutes, what im saying is i can kill you in that time

Exactly... Pure INT spear can kill almost all average players and even glaviers with 2-3 and even 4 sun parts in less than 2 mins. I have done it atleast.. but yeah no snow-die in 2-3 skills.

Either S/S or Spear.. go Pure. I voted spear.

Lulor · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 123 **Location:** Homezor

raged! wrote:

2:1 hybrid spear is actually a terrible nowadays.
due to snow shield update, ints can actually 'tank' a bit, and thats why ints go for the high damage to kill before snow shield runs out, but with 2:1 your damage is low, your tanking is below-average and thats why it sucks.

i'm sorry but this is just bullsh*t. I'm making a 80/85 hybrid spear wich means 70/70 naked and with normal skills i hit almost as much as a 1:7 hyb int spear so please look out with what you say kid. and if you don't beleave me look for kaws video on youtube

Repercussion · **Posted:** Sat Mar 15, 2008 7:40 pm

Decision: Pure Int Sword/Shield.

Ice, I am not maxing... people think thats stupid, but 90 ice only gives you 53% snow shield... 80 ice gives you 50%... not worth it if you ask me... and I am only getting level 60 maybe 70 ice, which will be enough for a 40-45% snow shield...

By the way, I am basing this off of level 81... I am not going past level 81, I am just going to get an awesome build for if the cap was 81...

LockStar. · **Joined:** Jun 2007 **Posts:** 948 **Location:**

Don't get Ice only for the snow shield. Imo maxed Ice allows you to wear garments. Appart from show shield, you get the lvl 9 Passive and higher Might of guard.. which is alot of phy defence.

Jstar1 · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 4757 **Location:**

sword and shield, you need the extra defence and with snow shield you will be able to tank a bit. hybrid or pure is fine, you deal enough damage as a INT anyways..its not all about power, a lot of pure int spear die in a few hits unless they have sun equipment

keshi21 · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 84 **Location:**

Lulor wrote:

raged! wrote:

2:1 hybrid spear is actually a terrible nowadays.
due to snow shield update, ints can actually 'tank' a bit, and thats why ints go for the high damage to kill before snow shield runs out, but with 2:1 your damage is low, your tanking is below-average and thats why it sucks.

i'm sorry but this is just bullsh*t. I'm making a 80/85 hybrid spear wich means 70/70 naked and with normal skills i hit almost as much as a 1:7 hyb int spear so please look out with what you say kid. and if you don't beleave me look for kaws video on youtube

Thank you! =) another person who understands that int hybrid spear is completely viewed misconceptually. Int hybrid spear is a very good build, it's just a lot people don't see it.

Repercussion · **Posted:** Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:47 pm

I am thinking of a heuskal/nuke build... can't decide if it would be strong...

I want mostly nukes, but I was level 58 heuskal... preferably 60... anyone know any good ones?

I would still be using sword, but I would also be using more of a duel weapon mode... using stun and than nuking and such... anyone have any experience in this?

Mefra · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 458 **Location:** Holland

kevv wrote:

With Bicheon at 70 in 90 cap your not gonna kd a damn thing, just take 90 ice/light/bich, amazing defense + strong light nukes + chain status from bicheon.

Spear is more of the same, you already have high damage so go 7:1 or even 5:1 and once you stun them throw in a nuke followed by a mars, if their not dead by then their probably really low.

Wouldn't pure int spear with 90 cold and lightning work? You'll have to kill someone within 2 minutes or get the hell out of there, I know that, but would it be that hard to survive those 2 minutes with cold at 90?

blackfalcon · **Joined:** Jun 2007 **Posts:** 1865 **Location:**

Mefra wrote:

kevv wrote:

With Bicheon at 70 in 90 cap your not gonna kd a damn thing, just take 90 ice/light/bich, amazing defense + strong light nukes + chain status from bicheon.

Spear is more of the same, you already have high damage so go 7:1 or even 5:1 and once you stun them throw in a nuke followed by a mars, if their not dead by then their probably really low.

Wouldn't pure int spear with 90 cold and lightning work? You'll have to kill someone within 2 minutes or get the hell out of there, I know that, but would it be that hard to survive those 2 minutes with cold at 90?

ya it would work too

kevv · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 415 **Location:**

Mefra wrote:

kevv wrote:

With Bicheon at 70 in 90 cap your not gonna kd a damn thing, just take 90 ice/light/bich, amazing defense + strong light nukes + chain status from bicheon.

Spear is more of the same, you already have high damage so go 7:1 or even 5:1 and once you stun them throw in a nuke followed by a mars, if their not dead by then their probably really low.

Wouldn't pure int spear with 90 cold and lightning work? You'll have to kill someone within 2 minutes or get the hell out of there, I know that, but would it be that hard to survive those 2 minutes with cold at 90?

Pure int spear is probably best for 1v1 pvp mainly because after snow runs out or you die (which will happen) then you're a sitting duck till you can use it again. With 1:7 you can still survive a bit even after your snow runs out. Your choice whether you prefer higher damage or better survivability.

Repercussion · **Posted:** Mon Mar 17, 2008 2:40 am

But shield has the blocking ratio which is helpful... along with extra physical/magical attack, and wouldn't the shield kind of be like the "hybrid," in the 7:1 nuker? I mean think about it...

A pure int spear can't live without its snow shield... but a pure int sword can, ONLY because of its shield. It allows for the blocking ratio along with the extra defense... so its kind of the same o.O if you think about it?

IDK.... I am so tired of figuring out a build...

The only moves a pure int needs is KD/STAB... chains aren't really needed... so thats why I am not getting 90 bicheon... probably just 70.... 73 if I really feel like getting the lightning chain.

kevv · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 415 **Location:**

Repercussion wrote:

But shield has the blocking ratio which is helpful... along with extra physical/magical attack, and wouldn't the shield kind of be like the "hybrid," in the 7:1 nuker? I mean think about it...

A pure int spear can't live without its snow shield... but a pure int sword can, ONLY because of its shield. It allows for the blocking ratio along with the extra defense... so its kind of the same o.O if you think about it?

IDK.... I am so tired of figuring out a build...

The only moves a pure int needs is KD/STAB... chains aren't really needed... so thats why I am not getting 90 bicheon... probably just 70.... 73 if I really feel like getting the lightning chain.

Pure int S/S is a great build, actually can stil tank more then a 1:7 due to shield which has life saving blocks and iron wall. With Sun pure int s/s is best build imo, great defense and amazing damage output. Furthermore you're really underestimating 90 bicheon, the kd's and stabs do better damage then you think and you can't expect to kill anyone in PvP with purely nukes..you'll be stunned/kb'ed/kd'ed before you can probably even pull off your second nuke.

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