EuRos dont pwn...they sux

_Scarlett_ · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 1567 **Location:**

SaoKill wrote:

Prophet Izaach wrote:

2H warrior/cleric might be the best build, but place that guy in a Euro party and watch all the wizards get pissed at the KDs. They're hardly functional at parties unless the subclass is used or when the majority of the damage dealers are rogues instead of wizards.

1H FTW!

1h +2h...
1H for tanking, 2H for killing.
For example, Tank out a Chinese's snowshield, than kill the **** out of him!

Exactly what I'm doing..taking both 1h and 2h. 1h is better for parties when you just simply need to tank...2h for killing.

gongjaied · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 89 **Location:**

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gongjaied wrote:
BloodOwnzzz wrote:
A little secret I've kept which is open for all to see even before I write this but is not widely used. Bind, which is on both Bard and Cleric, adds another long term 50% boost to Cunning Stab/Double Stab. It's not widely used but it makes the build fairly strong for a longer period of time compared to KD. This makes a 1H Warrior/Bard really a useful combo of classes and probably creates the most balanced character in all of SRO, for the Euro side at least(1H Lacks a strong ability to solo but it still can at least). Also, Double Stab and Cunning Stab do not share the same recharge so you should be able to deal sufficient damage with only a 100% boost, that is double the damage after all...

but if you bind...the only down attack worth using would be bash? since the first hit will cancel them out of the bind status...

Double stab and cunning stab which has down attack damage bonus. (You can also bind with wizard earth skill)

So are you saying as long as the move registers whether single or multi hit...the whole move will get down attack damage bonus??? hmm i always thought it's just the first hit since that cancels bind

-.- · **Posted:** Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:52 am

nah just dont kb or kd and bind wont go away till it is out of time

i've let my dog fight something for 10 secs after i bind it since i was bored
i can do same but they normally die before full time is out

gongjaied · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 89 **Location:**

k thx for clearing that out ...

interesting stuff hmmm

-.- · **Posted:** Fri Mar 14, 2008 6:36 am

o bind doesnt stop them from attacking, just moving
so for warriors who have no range attacks, if you arent standing right next to them, they cant hit you

but for bows/nukers binding doesnt help much unless you are running away

Amelie · **Posted:** Fri Mar 14, 2008 6:54 am

-.- wrote:

nah just dont kb or kd and bind wont go away till it is out of time

lies

bind will only "go away" if a magical skill is used.

i use bind and keep pushing all the time to mess around when i'm pvping, and the bind is still there. (at least using shield bash with my cleric, that is)

edit: gonna make a video to prove it

edit2: for your information, pills heal bind status. (like 50% of the times lol)

ShadowReaver · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 335 **Location:**

MrFudge wrote:

I honestly can't think of a euro build that pwns besides 2h/cleric or maybe 1h/warlock.

Rogues and Wizards are just another free kill with the emergence of pk2 editing.

And I have never seen a wizard 1-nuke a full sun chinese. From what I've seen a lone wizard does about 18k dmg with their meteor nuke to a +5 garm set str char...

And I could tank Sylhanas +9 daggers with desperate on after I did snow shield and Impotent vital spot with a +0 set lol. And no, a rogue or wiz can't sneak up on me. And you can't call me a cheater cuz these forums haven't banned pk2 editing <3

well, u are a cheater. the invisible/stealth skill IS made so wizards and rouges can survive more. if you disable this feature with pk2 edit u dmg the game balance, hence u cheat. it's like i would be able to disable ur damn snow shield or the ability to KD with pk2 edit. and u cheat cause u are scared of wizards. cause u know u get owned in 1 or 2 skills.

edit: btw, i dont think this forum is anywhere near an authority to decide if you are a cheater or not. it can just decide if you can talk about it here or not. u just say it to feel good with yourself cheating.

ShadowReaver · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 335 **Location:**

Nitro wrote:

subzero wrote:

juss to let everyone that sayz warrior/cleric ownz..i can 1shot them with my chinese full STR bow accnt w/ +7 bow..gg

Oh my ... should I even say something ... Yeah you can 1 hit 20 levels below you ...
Woah .... you got +7 bow?!?! :shock:

That is just Amazing !!!

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL 1 shot a warrior ur lvl with a china bow
ROFLMAO
good joke.

MrFudge · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 5731 **Location:** None

so in the end, 2h/cleric is "the best build" for 1v1 if someone knows what their doing.
I just need someone to confirm the triple swing damage boost from dull status and knockdown.
If u switch to 1hand and do shield crush for dull, then knock down the enemy and do triple swing while theyre still dulled..

is it 50% dmg increase from dull AND 50% dmg increase from KD combined?
That sounds like pretty nice damage with a triple crit.

EngravedDemon · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 750 **Location:**

MrFudge wrote:

so in the end, 2h/cleric is "the best build" for 1v1 if someone knows what their doing.
I just need someone to confirm the triple swing damage boost from dull status and knockdown.
If u switch to 1hand and do shield crush for dull, then knock down the enemy and do triple swing while theyre still dulled..

is it 50% dmg increase from dull AND 50% dmg increase from KD combined?
That sounds like pretty nice damage with a triple crit.

No, only one of them counts... KD overrides the dull status on the Chain's Damage Equation. Would be nice if you get 100% Bonus Damage, Hehe... Same rules for a character that's bound and dulled at the same time, the effect doesn't multiply the damage.

DarkJackal · **Joined:** Feb 2006 **Posts:** 6119 **Location:** A den~

wildmanfrost wrote:

Pot delays at higher level are the Euro's big advantage! They can use grains (+25%) with the 4 seceond delay. Chineese can't, their grain delay is 15 seconds.

A pure STR Warrior with Cleric sub class and a load of hp grains, and vigor set for the mp, is almost impossible to kill one on one. If he can knock anyone down twice in a row, forget it! He hits you for 150% phy damage on the ground.

If you nuke him for 8k, the grains restore almost 4k every 4 seconds. Good luck with that.

Theres no 15 second delay for grains for Chinese >_>.

Glavie's Girl · **Joined:** Jun 2007 **Posts:** 1464 **Location:**

can we all just hug and get along?

subzero · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 352 **Location:**

ShadowReaver wrote:

Nitro wrote:

subzero wrote:

juss to let everyone that sayz warrior/cleric ownz..i can 1shot them with my chinese full STR bow accnt w/ +7 bow..gg

Oh my ... should I even say something ... Yeah you can 1 hit 20 levels below you ...
Woah .... you got +7 bow?!?! :shock:

That is just Amazing !!!

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL 1 shot a warrior ur lvl with a china bow
ROFLMAO
good joke.

i meant 2shot..my bad..i can crit crit and they dead

borat2 · **Posted:** Fri Mar 14, 2008 4:10 pm

@subzero
you sure they are the same level as you are? :roll:

hard to believe something with that much hp in armor defense will get 1 or 2 shot by any archer.

warlock/rogue
warlock/wizard
warrior/cleric

are in my opinion strongest 1on1 chars

BloodOwnzzz · **Posted:** Fri Mar 14, 2008 4:52 pm

gongjaied wrote:

BloodOwnzzz wrote:

A little secret I've kept which is open for all to see even before I write this but is not widely used. Bind, which is on both Bard and Cleric, adds another long term 50% boost to Cunning Stab/Double Stab. It's not widely used but it makes the build fairly strong for a longer period of time compared to KD. This makes a 1H Warrior/Bard really a useful combo of classes and probably creates the most balanced character in all of SRO, for the Euro side at least(1H Lacks a strong ability to solo but it still can at least). Also, Double Stab and Cunning Stab do not share the same recharge so you should be able to deal sufficient damage with only a 100% boost, that is double the damage after all...

but if you bind...the only down attack worth using would be bash? since the first hit will cancel them out of the bind status...

Physical attacks do not cancel bind. You have 10 seconds to do what you please.

Barotix · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 9250 **Location:** Sand

subzero wrote:

i stated my reasons alrdy..read the first post again..thx

There is no explanation, as i said in my first post; You based the "euros sux" statement on 2 classes (rogue, wizard. And if you think rogues and wizards are one-shot wonders then you really have no idea what you're talking about. Simply because most rogues and wizards only know the "Hit and Run" tactic doesn't mean thats the only move they bring to the game. A troupe of rogues run efficiently will destroy anything unsuspecting bystanders. Even if they're expecting it, one bless spell and the defense loss is negated: best applied to daggers.): Unless you can explain how euros suck with, rational empiricism, you sir are a douche who doesn't know how to start a discussion.

Party:
Pure European Party > Mixed Euro/Chinese Party > Pure Chinese party
Throw the Muslims somewhere in there.

Overall synopsis:
European: Party
Chinese: Solo
Islam: Balanced

based on that you can predict this pattern in pure party play:
European > Islam > Chinese.
Also based on that you can predict pure 1v1 play
Chinese > Islam > European.

Sadly, The pot delay is to low (15 seconds) meaning; 1v1 becomes (with a good cleric there is no pot delay):
European > Chinese > Islam

The above is Based on current patterns. Based on the mathematics applied in the Lion-shout thread and the numerous videos posted on youtube you can predict the 1v1 trend for future caps to be:

Chinese > European

And you can predict where Islamic characters will fall in 1v1.

Chinese > Islam > European

Finally predicting Party:

European > Mixed = Islam > Chinese.

Best 1v1 European builds: :roll:

Warrior/Cleric: Paladin
Rogue/Cleric: Assassin
Wizard/Warlock: Dark Mage
Rogue/Warlock: Shadow Mage
Warrior/Warlock: Dark Knight

gongjaied · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 89 **Location:**

MrFudge wrote:

so in the end, 2h/cleric is "the best build" for 1v1 if someone knows what their doing.
I just need someone to confirm the triple swing damage boost from dull status and knockdown.
If u switch to 1hand and do shield crush for dull, then knock down the enemy and do triple swing while theyre still dulled..

is it 50% dmg increase from dull AND 50% dmg increase from KD combined?
That sounds like pretty nice damage with a triple crit.

correct me if i'm wrong, but i thought dull only slows your opponent and that's it? or does it also give amplify damage to down attacks?

Barotix · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 9250 **Location:** Sand

gongjaied wrote:

MrFudge wrote:

so in the end, 2h/cleric is "the best build" for 1v1 if someone knows what their doing.
I just need someone to confirm the triple swing damage boost from dull status and knockdown.
If u switch to 1hand and do shield crush for dull, then knock down the enemy and do triple swing while theyre still dulled..

is it 50% dmg increase from dull AND 50% dmg increase from KD combined?
That sounds like pretty nice damage with a triple crit.

correct me if i'm wrong, but i thought dull only slows your opponent and that's it? or does it also give amplify damage to down attacks?

Dull amplifies the atks of certain warrior moves, such as: Cunning stab, Daring berserker, triple swing, charged swing, etc...

MrFudge · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 5731 **Location:** None

who are you and what have you done with the old pre-mod barotix?
=/ ....

Barotix · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 9250 **Location:** Sand

MrFudge wrote:

who are you and what have you done with the old pre-mod barotix?
=/ ....

I'm still here. I'm just very careful about what I type: you'll probably see pre-mod Barotix around on one of my Alias accounts. So keep your eyes open

EDIT: and the habits I maintain in the Q&A leaked into my main account.

gongjaied · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 89 **Location:**

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Dull amplifies the atks of certain warrior moves, such as: Cunning stab, Daring berserker, triple swing, charged swing, etc...

can you give a list of all the moves if possible? the mentioned about seem like down-attacks except for daring berserker

Tokughavita · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 789 **Location:**

my friend in malice army is a warlock/cleric, and he pretty much owns all of you.

inky · **Joined:** Nov 2006 **Posts:** 4025 **Location:**

It'll all balance out nicely once the third (Arab) race comes since SRO's final PVP system is based on the rock-scissors-paper concept.

SaoKill · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 1265 **Location:**

Tokughavita wrote:

my friend in malice army is a warlock/cleric, and he pretty much owns all of you.

uh... sure, whatever.

Anyways, sure in later caps we won't be getting many more moves. But, at the 150 cap, we'll have the same number of masteries as you guys, letting us be as strong/stronger.

SilkTraveler · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 78 **Location:**

Haha07 wrote:

BakaFish wrote:

Blindfire wrote:

Neither is better, you people don't realise than pvp is anyones game assuming they are the same level, pvp is basically first skill wins or first stun or kd wins. Anyone can beat anyone.

I was wondering why would someone make a comment like this, then i saw his char was just 2x.

lol

Also have you even seen like a wizard/warlock i mean damn i cant even hit them before they stun me or put me to sleep. Then they change to wizard and nuke the living shit outta me.

Old reply, but...

Im chinese bower, I just do ice wall and, in pvp, warlocks curses cant even touch me before I 1-hit them.

Quote:

Chinese are just a bit more progressive towards being strong while Euros start out strong but they dont get stronger at the same rate as chinese. In the end Chinese and Euro will even out.

+1

ThisIsAvalon · **Joined:** Nov 2007 **Posts:** 1163 **Location:**

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Chinese are just a bit more progressive towards being strong while Euros start out strong but they dont get stronger at the same rate as chinese. In the end Chinese and Euro will even out.

Lol, so stupid...

At the 140 cap, you can only have 2 masteries. That means you gotta pick between having no run speed, no physical dmg increase, or no ice wall. /fail

Honestly, why do people keep making these threads.........European > Chinese, get over it. Joymax MADE it that way so people pay for the game instead of getting bored. They WANT all the lvl 80 capped chinese people to reroll, after getting owned by euros in pvp over and over, and spend money capping their chars again. When islam comes out, they want those people to make an islam and spend silk for the 3rd time.

SaoKill · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 1265 **Location:**

SilkTraveler wrote:

Old reply, but...

Im chinese bower, I just do ice wall and, in pvp, warlocks curses cant even touch me before I 1-hit them.

You think that Warlock is going to just stand there? No. It's going to run for it's Farking Life! And also, if it was fair PvP, you couldn't put up an Icewall before the PvP started, causing you to be stunned, debuffed, sleep, nuke, dead.
If it wasn't a fair PvP, the Warlock would catch you off guard and do the thing above.

StuckUP · **Joined:** Jun 2007 **Posts:** 1315 **Location:**

crazy_foo wrote:

euro warrior is closest u can get to Chinese as far as tanking and with cleric sub class and recovery division it rocks the place. I'm building one he's currently lvl 58

In my opinion then can tank as much as a sword hybrid nuker but with extremely good phy dmg too

lol lies. Have you ever seen a 1 hand warrior with cleric sub tank before? Way better than chinese

ICanCrit · **Joined:** Dec 2007 **Posts:** 113 **Location:** No where

Agreed 110%

Azilius · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 4236 **Location:** CS:GO

ThisIsAvalon wrote:

Quote:

Chinese are just a bit more progressive towards being strong while Euros start out strong but they dont get stronger at the same rate as chinese. In the end Chinese and Euro will even out.

Lol, so stupid...

At the 140 cap, you can only have 2 masteries. That means you gotta pick between having no run speed, no physical dmg increase, or no ice wall. /fail

Honestly, why do people keep making these threads.........European > Chinese, get over it. Joymax MADE it that way so people pay for the game instead of getting bored. They WANT all the lvl 80 capped chinese people to reroll, after getting owned by euros in pvp over and over, and spend money capping their chars again. When islam comes out, they want those people to make an islam and spend silk for the 3rd time.

140 glaive, 140 fire, 20 ice, 100% moving speed potion.

Now I have ice wall, moving speed, AND physical dmg increase. :roll:

You honestly think Joymax would make one race amazingly better than another? Hell people are still looking at 1v1, it's group v group, mixed race parties = win.

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