Bow build 70:70 GUIDE Updated 3.0!

Jadekiss · **Posted:** Tue Feb 13, 2007 9:05 pm

@HertogJan if you read all my post you would have the answere already... i tried all bow build already but i didnt tried a bow build which based on balance i just make full str 70 and other builds
but ok im really pissed off now ..... you all closed my ..... thread and finish
i quit here right now i will change the title if this thread for all those who want this ..... shit

now im insulting you ... why ? because im the thread opener and what can you only say bla bla bla your build sux and you didnt know anything about it noobs :banghead:

CYA for all those who are interested in this build and want some advice... im sry im off here

WrathShielder · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 745 **Location:**

In an attempt to soften the mood here, I made a bow build so I would have a character I can send out to farm gold and drops and turn me elements and pickup SOS if she's lucky for my other characters. For that purpose she is the perfect little Bow Ho.......

Da_Realest · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 2435 **Location:**

Jadekiss wrote:

@Da_Realest... im not trying to insult someone here ! i just defend myself ...why ? because i spend a lot of time on archer build nearly 2 years then i found a way to make a good archer better than full str...

You haven't proved anything yet. Also, this game hasn't been out for 2 years.

Jadekiss wrote:

so then suddenly some ppl came into this forum blaming me with some statement like pure str are the best....why is pure str the best build huh ? because of the higher HP ? nah you cant based your char on high hp to survive as a archer....because you arent a tanker !

What have you learned in your so called 2 years of playing this game. Without enough hp you will die. What do you not understand? You haven't proven anything yet. All you say is Wind this and Wind that. Why don't you READ my post because I said many mention many more reasons besides just HP. Before you criticize someone, please read with comprehension.

Also you make it seem as if everyone came here and said, "OMG!!! 70:70 BOW TEH NOOB! FULL STR IS TEH 1337!!!!!" Everyone here defending the pure str bow build gave pretty valid points about why they feel full str is better. I see no reason why you should act the way you are acting.

Jadekiss wrote:

archer havent a shield bonus either a high phy damage like glavies but they have a skill which have a high crit ratio BUT you cant also just build your char based ON 1 points the crit....

I already stated other reasons. Please reread. Its cool right? Archer doesn't have a shield bonus, no high killing power(unless you're pure int bow) and no stun. I think you will need all the hp you can get.

Jadekiss wrote:

i hope you agree with me that silkraod doesnt based only on pure chars ...THAT cant be !

It seems quite so.

Jadekiss wrote:

but how many ppl tried something new huh ? almost the majority just read in forum and ask for a good build... and what are the answers ? right go full str or full int... so only a few ppl tried a new build = hybrids

Just because a build is new doesn't make it better. People recommend pure builds for a reason. They have been proven to do pretty well. Hybrid int spears and swords have also been proven to do pretty well also. 70:70 bow has not been proven.

Jadekiss wrote:

some ppl failed and some ppl have succes (i dont say that i have succes but i like this build pretty much better than all my other bow builds in the last 2 years)

Thats nice to here but don't go around saying its the best build since it hasn't been proven. Again, Wind is only 1 person.

To add to that, if you have been playing as long as you say you have then you would know that in the beginning there were no pure guides. No guides of any kind. Because of this, many people naturally wanted to equal their str and int so they would have a good balance. Saying this, many of the beginning players were different forms of hybrids, some 70:70 bow I'm sure. Some people went pure and easily beat most of the different hybrid builds. This is why everyone converted to the whole pure is better than all ways of thinking.

Jadekiss wrote:

so i have a lot of ppl now who trys this build and i think they will post there results here ! or either in other forums ... so i think i will tell you about what they post.... but fact is this build rocks in pve...i hope you agree

Any build can do well in PvE. TaintOfSleep was a loyal fan of this build. You supported him. When comes back and says the build was unsucessful you call him a "noob." That says many things about you....

Jadekiss wrote:

but pvp ? we will see but stop discussing about full str and their high hp and crit shit

Read and comprehendwhat I have already stated in earlier post.

Jadekiss wrote:

so many ppl post almost the same now its hust repeating !
ok i will go on but right now im only lvl 24 9gap sp farming (doing a great job)
but some other ppl are almost lvl 42+ already

You to 2 years as you say to discover this build? Highly unlikely. This game isn't nearly that complex and your solution is so simple that anyone could think of it in at least a week. The whole 2 year thing just looks like a hyperbole to me.

NuclearSilo wrote:

Ok, i dont think i need to read all the discussions and craps out there.

Then your opinion is totally nullified. I could dismiss your whole case just by your opening statement. If the opinions of others mean so little to you then don't bother to post when the point you are trying to make has probably been addressed all ready. I've pretty much lost a bit of respect for you on what you have to say on this subject.

NuclearSilo wrote:

First of all, what i want to say is bower is never good 1vs1 against other build. If u want to compare plz compare bow vs bow. Why? Because bow is a support build; bow is a killer, yet is not a tanker.

Its obvious you have not tested this. Bow does great against int based builds. It usually only takes one critical to kill them. Of course you can kill them without a critical but most of the time the first hit of anti devil will be a critical.

70:70 bow vs a pure str bow is a miss match. A pure int spear cannot kill a bow with all the damage they do before they die even with their total balance of 148% and the fact that they can give out damage higher damage faster than a bow. You sure a 70:70 bow can do a better job? Pure str bow doesn't need to critical to kill int based builds and a build that doesn't have stun or anything of that nature wouldn't be much different either.

NuclearSilo wrote:

So what u need is a strategy, like run & hit & fire/ice wall....but noobs out there will call u noob either.

A pure str bow could use the same strategy. And again, if you get hit by a critical by any pure str build besides a blader, the match is pretty much over.

NuclearSilo wrote:

Archers pwn uniques because they have full time to deal damage, unlike tankers are knocked down, knocked back, stunned by yarkan, nukers with short range have to run eventually.

I'm pretty sure you know that there are other uniques besides Yarkan. Not all uniques have those effects. The main reason bow gets the kills is because int based builds usually die, frequent criticals, and the fact they don't have to run when the unique spawns the next wave of monsters. They can just stay there and hit and not worry about getting attacked.

NuclearSilo wrote:

I dont want to say pure str is the best, and neither 70:70, but i would say the best is hybrid with a ?? balance that we didnt find yet. Why? Let's say pure str at lvl 70 has 11k HP, i will choose a random hybrid with 10k HP. So i sacrificed 1k HP for a small damage, maybe it's only 200 damages. But in 5 shots i gain like 1k damages, so it will compensate my initial lost HP. The longer the fight is, the more hybrid has higher advantage. So definitly the best is not pure str.

Maybe pure str isn't the best, maybe it is. Although, it would be better to use a % to represent the hp you sacrifice instead of a number since hp numbers are very inconsistent as you level up. I'm pretty sure 1 str point doesn't give you the same amount of hp it did at lvl 3 and now you are lvl 62.

NuclearSilo wrote:

U cant neither compare build with npc gear. Because new alchemy system reversed the world. At lvl 90, nukers can tank like a str, because the damage str on int is like the same at lvl 70, but int will have more HP = 11k HP while damage of glaiver is 3k....

When testing something you need to have a variable that remains constant. Testing with NPC gear would determine the better build and better player. If you put max alchemy on your gear the other person could do the same and you would be back at square one.

Where do you get his lvl 90 nuker vs str information? Everyday I go over to donwang south gate and watch level 90 Koreans pvp. Lvl 90 glaivers damage usually range from 3.2k to 4.8k on each hit of soul spear soul. Ghost spear mars damage ranges from about 6.6k to 8.2k.

I'll elaborate more later.

EDIT: Jadekiss so nice of you to show your true colors.

Dempster wrote:

... no one here cares about this wind character, as far as im concerned he's a pure str bow who has lead you to believe hybrid bows are godlike so you would f up your character

(hybrid bows really are the weakest build you can possibly make, thats the sad truth)

I've thought of that as one of many possibilities. Death2All, a good pure str glaiver poasted that he is a str hybrid glaive. Because of that, many people started making str hybrid glaive builds believing they would be as good as him. Due to Jadekiss recent actions, it seems that this might be true in this situation because he may have annoyed Wind to the fact that he told him anything. Just a possibility though.

Megaman · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 468 **Location:**

Jadekiss wrote:

@HertogJan if you read all my post you would have the answere already... i tried all bow build already but i didnt tried a bow build which based on balance i just make full str 70 and other builds
but ok im really pissed off now ..... you all closed my ..... thread and finish
i quit here right now i will change the title if this thread for all those who want this ..... shit

now im insulting you ... why ? because im the thread opener and what can you only say bla bla bla your build sux and you didnt know anything about it noobs :banghead:

CYA for all those who are interested in this build and want some advice... im sry im off here

There is nothing wrong with challenging a questionable build, and because you flame and be a general asshole to the people poking you with questions, theories, etc against the build. It just shows you level of maturity by doing that.

And wheres my name on the title GGGrrrRR!! :banghead:

This thread was a debate. Nothing more, nothing less. Me, Eukanuba and a few others argued harlessly about the build, raising points, agreeing sometimes, but generally it was an innocent debate. When you changed that title and started personally attacking people, you turned this thread from a good-natured debate to a flame thread.

Not everyone wants to kiss this builds ass, and you have to learn that not everything goes your way.

Jadekiss · **Posted:** Tue Feb 13, 2007 9:29 pm

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Any build can do well in PvE. TaintOfSleep was a loyal fan of this build. You supported him. When comes back and says the build was unsucessful you call him a "noob." That says many things about you....

lol where di i call him noob ? i didnt said that he is a noob i just wonder why he didnt post it by his own here what he thinks about the build !

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Thats nice to here but don't go around saying its the best build since it hasn't been proven. Again, Wind is only 1 person.

To add to that, if you have been playing as long as you say you have then you would know that in the beginning there were no pure guides. No guides of any kind. Because of this, many people naturally wanted to equal their str and int so they would have a good balance. Saying this, many of the beginning players were different forms of hybrids, some 70:70 bow I'm sure. Some people went pure and easily beat most of the different hybrid builds. This is why everyone converted to the whole pure is better than all ways of thinking.

thats wrong there was already guides from ppl who translate them from korea into english so lots of ppl start already with pure chars !

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You to 2 years as you say to discover this build? Highly unlikely. This game isn't nearly that complex and your solution is so simple that anyone could think of it in at least a week. The whole 2 year thing just looks like a hyperbole to me.

do you think that you can make like over 10 chars in the last 1-2 years fully farmed to lvl 70 ? than i would say dam botter !
spending time on a build will take a lot of time

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There is nothing wrong with challenging a questionable build, and because you flame and be a general asshole to the people poking you with questions, theories, etc against the build. It just shows you level of maturity by doing that.

And wheres my name on the title GGGrrrRR!!

This thread was a debate. Nothing more, nothing less. Me, Eukanuba and a few others argued harlessly about the build, raising points, agreeing sometimes, but generally it was an innocent debate. When you changed that title and started personally attacking people, you turned this thread from a good-natured debate to a flame thread.

Not everyone wants to kiss this builds ass, and you have to learn that not everything goes your way.

STFU ? i wanna see you as a full str glavier on aege pvping wind !

Da_Realest · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 2435 **Location:**

Jadekiss wrote:

lol where di i call him noob ? i didnt said that he is a noob i just wonder why he didnt post it by his own here what he thinks about the build !

Jadekiss wrote:

Wind is a powerfull bow player the best one on the server and we dont talk about noobs on some new servers we are talking about the elite of SRO so dont compare the guys on your server with the elite !

You basically said that if you don't make a 70:70 bow character as good as Wind then you are a noob. You didn't state it directly but the insult was made indirectly towards anyone who makes a 70:70 build not as good as Wind.

Jadekiss wrote:

thats wrong there was already guides from ppl who translate them from korea into english so lots of ppl start already with pure chars !

I wonder what happened to all those people who translated the korean text... I played back then to also.... To counter what you said, not everyone reads forums. Most players of the game just download the game and play. Most don't come looking for guides until after they mess up the first time.

Jadekiss wrote:

do you think that you can make like over 10 chars in the last 1-2 years fully farmed to lvl 70 ? than i would say dam botter !
spending time on a build will take a lot of time

You do realize that the cap hasn't always been 70. I'm pretty sure you know that people reach the level cap of 60 without a bot in a short time. If you're really dedicated to the game then you could easily reach the cap in 2-3 months. Possibly 1 month. A gold ticket can shorten the time. Besides, 10 builds just to prove credibility is totally unnecessary.

EllisD · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 1788 **Location:**

Jadekiss wrote:

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STFU ? i wanna see you as a full str glavier on aege pvping wind !

One thing ive noticed is that youve turned from trying to push this build with help, to getting very defensive when people point out the downside of it.

You keep mentioning this Wind character. I for one dont care enough to go create a character on Aege just to hunt this guy\gal down and see him\her pvp. Since they are a friend of yours, why isnt there a vid of them pvping? Surely that isnt too much to ask, and it would either make people think differently, or proove that their points are valid.

You just have to think that when you label this the "Greatest Bow Build", you need to have a little proof to backup what your saying. Sure theory works on paper, but, theory and reality are often different.

Im not saying this build is bad, im just saying that its not near as good as you make it out to be.

Then again, what do i know...im just a lowly 94% : 62% Str hybrid archer :roll:

Jadekiss · **Posted:** Tue Feb 13, 2007 10:04 pm

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You do realize that the cap hasn't always been 70. I'm pretty sure you know that people reach the level cap of 60 without a bot in a short time. If you're really dedicated to the game then you could easily reach the cap in 2-3 months. Possibly 1 month. A gold ticket can shorten the time. Besides, 10 builds just to prove credibility is totally unnecessary.

agree with the cap of 60 BUT i said fully farmed dude and that WITHOUT GT why ? items mall wasnt on the beginning there pretty much later you could also sell the item mall stuff for gold ! but nvm

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You basically said that if you don't make a 70:70 bow character as good as Wind then you are a noob. You didn't state it directly but the insult was made indirectly towards anyone who makes a 70:70 build not as good as Wind.

disagree ! i just defend myself and i didnt insult ppl from the beginning on but what would you do ? if some1 came into oyur thread and just tell shit while he didnt really read all my post carefully ? that would piss you off so pls dont compare that

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One thing ive noticed is that youve turned from trying to push this build with help, to getting very defensive when people point out the downside of it.

You keep mentioning this Wind character. I for one dont care enough to go create a character on Aege just to hunt this guy\gal down and see him\her pvp. Since they are a friend of yours, why isnt there a vid of them pvping? Surely that isnt too much to ask, and it would either make people think differently, or proove that their points are valid.

You just have to think that when you label this the "Greatest Bow Build", you need to have a little proof to backup what your saying. Sure theory works on paper, but, theory and reality are often different.

Im not saying this build is bad, im just saying that its not near as good as you make it out to be.

Then again, what do i know...im just a lowly 94% : 62% Str hybrid archer

thats right because im really tired now of all the statements OK i already said that ITS UP to you what you want to make but ppl still attack me directly so what should i do ? f you want a proof go to aege make an lil char and you will see how wind pvp BUT why didnt i make a vid ? that is a good question but i said that also already but i know now that ppl dont read my post carefully enough
but just for you ! i dont make a vid because iried now over 3 weeks to talk with Wind but i cant he is either off or afk thats make it so difficult to talk with him ! i dont live in his timezone so i just gave up now to make a vid of him

so ok no proof = my build sux right ?
ok i agree that and end of this build
my build sux ya i know and full str all the way or pure int woohoo this game is sooo great only pure chars
but yeah they are the best hybrids sux i sux also and that is the end of the story

taintofsleep · **Joined:** Nov 2006 **Posts:** 723 **Location:**

Eukanuba, pretty much I have lost faith... I think that both archers that I created (full str and 70:69) were even. They both have there ups and downs. Neither was spectacular though.

Da_Realest · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 2435 **Location:**

Jadekiss wrote:

agree with the cap of 60 BUT i said fully farmed dude and that WITHOUT GT why ? items mall wasnt on the beginning there pretty much later you could also sell the item mall stuff for gold ! but nvm

Its also possible to become fully farmed in a few months. You also said make characters in 2 years time so it wouldn't matter if item mall existed since you have 2 years to make fully farmed characters.

Jadekiss wrote:

disagree ! i just defend myself and i didnt insult ppl from the beginning on but what would you do ? if some1 came into oyur thread and just tell shit while he didnt really read all my post carefully ? that would piss you off so pls dont compare that

Your answer has little to do with what you said in that quote I posted. Please go look up the words 'direct' and 'indirect.' You clearly do not understand the meanings.

PsYch008 · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 4451 **Location:** reno

glad we figured all this out, and it only took 15 pages! :roll:

Jadekiss · **Posted:** Tue Feb 13, 2007 10:51 pm

thats all i have to say im a noob but build sux so closed this thread !

PsYch008 · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 4451 **Location:** reno

Jadekiss wrote:

thats all i have to say im a noob but build sux so closed this thread !

nice to meet you Mr noob with crappy build.

My name is Mr LaG i am a full str blader with a good build.

wanna go on a date?

write back plz.

EllisD · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 1788 **Location:**

Dont worry jade, i will show everyone what the killerist bow build is.... 2:1 Str Hybrid FTW!

See you at the cap :twisted:

EDIT: ^^ LOL

Eukanuba · **Joined:** Dec 2006 **Posts:** 171

Wow. Just...wow.

Even if Jade leaves the discussion, I'd like to continue civil discourse on the matter.

I believe a great portion of the perceived hostilities from both sides is mostly a stemming from the language barrier problem.

And I thought I was grouchy....sheesh.

user · **Posted:** Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:06 am

whats with the arguments guys?

if you believe him: go build the 70:70 archer

if you dont believe him: go build w/e you think rocks

taintofsleep · **Joined:** Nov 2006 **Posts:** 723 **Location:**

pure int cold bower ftw!!!!

IguanaRampage · **Joined:** Jul 2006 **Posts:** 2483 **Location:** Changing

taintofsleep wrote:

pure int cold bower ftw!!!!

lmfao I tried it and its the only build I'm glad that I stopped at lvl 9 for. Besides pure str ice blade. That was pretty bad too in the days before item mall.

Stress · **Posted:** Wed Feb 14, 2007 9:08 am

70:70 bow works excellent in PvE. I've tried uone to lv 39. I am pretty poor and cannot afford good gear. In PvP I was even raped apart by an ice blader......

. At the cap, there is NO WAY a 80:80 bow is going to tank a KD + triple stab from a hybrid int SS or full Str blade. All in all, I think the Idea of the hybrid bow only works for PvE. It's USELESS in PvP

metroAID · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 95

is this the end of the thread?? finally.

+100 to those who pave the way to something that is different. my respect to jadekiss.

err. nothing to those who just think/talk and dont do anything.

Eukanuba · **Joined:** Dec 2006 **Posts:** 171

metroAID wrote:

err. nothing to those who just think/talk and dont do anything.

Eh?
What's wrong with insightful discussion? After all, courage and recklessness are two different beasts.

metroAID · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 95

Eukanuba wrote:

metroAID wrote:

err. nothing to those who just think/talk and dont do anything.

Eh?
What's wrong with insightful discussion? After all, courage and recklessness are two different beasts.

as much as i love to..... nahh not worth my time.

Megaman · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 468 **Location:**

metroAID wrote:

Eukanuba wrote:

metroAID wrote:

err. nothing to those who just think/talk and dont do anything.

Eh?
What's wrong with insightful discussion? After all, courage and recklessness are two different beasts.

as much as i love to..... nahh not worth my time.

Trust me, it's really good for you. Even in real-life, observing or taking part in discussions can really help you learn. I learnt from this discussion, more then i thought i would.

_Sevve · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 82 **Location:**

1 on 1 means what?

IT MEANS SHIT!! :banghead:

At 80 most 1on1 is endless pot battle.

There is more to the game then 1on1, and i think the 70:70 build got juge after 1on1, were it prolly sux :roll:

Still it will be good in mass pvp and uniqe hunting or whatever.

metroAID · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 95

MegaMan wrote:

metroAID wrote:

Eukanuba wrote:

metroAID wrote:

err. nothing to those who just think/talk and dont do anything.

Eh?
What's wrong with insightful discussion? After all, courage and recklessness are two different beasts.

as much as i love to..... nahh not worth my time.

Trust me, it's really good for you. Even in real-life, observing or taking part in discussions can really help you learn. I learnt from this discussion, more then i thought i would.

ok.

umerasmez · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 21

don't say it's a endless pot battle... because i've seen only two 80vs80 battles and they lasted 2-5 mins. They were 1vs1 both glavie skills using spears... no nukes, only glavie skills.. too bad i don't know what build they were. Final score 1-1, after that i logged out.

Dempster · **Joined:** Nov 2006 **Posts:** 378

taintofsleep wrote:

pure int cold bower ftw!!!!

first char i ever made was a hybrid bow/cold... that was back on xian when the servers first opened... although according to jade

Aege was the first server?
aHAHAHAHAHA okay buddy

PsYch008 · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 4451 **Location:** reno

i like chicken!

Dempster · **Joined:** Nov 2006 **Posts:** 378

Jadekiss wrote:

now im insulting you ... why ? because im the thread opener and what can you only say bla bla bla your build sux and you didnt know anything about it noobs :banghead:

CYA for all those who are interested in this build and want some advice... im sry im off here

I would argue that you are the one who knows nothing about a hybrid bow char, shall i lvl one up to appease you? LOL you're lv24 right? thats like a day, maybe a day and a half of grinding?

sorry to see you give up on this thread
not really

FuryAngle · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 253

I have to say, I have made a few bow build, Then decited to go Glavie

I got to level 69 as a bow, at 69 I deleveld everything by 9 levels (to form a gap) and farmed 160k sp. Then I level the Heusukal to 69 aswell. Now Im 72 with 17k hp (more hp than a 76) And I have yet to lose to a character any build 4 levels higher. Your guide doesnt make much sense, A Bow character needs HP, it doesnt have KD or Stun so there is no chance to prevent attacks so you can heal, thus you end up dead very fast. And If your making a bow/glavie, your initial attack should be ice and bow attacks (ice because everyone is on second/third tier and most dont have blues or ice on their gear yet) as soon as the oponent gets close switch to glavie and finish it off. Has yet to fail against a nuker 72-76 or even a full str glavier/blader. Also switch to fire imbue when switching to glavie.

Look down for the tool bar of death :twisted:

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