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Shadowfox542 · **Joined:** Jul 2008 **Posts:** 914 **Location:**

RedBlueGreen wrote:

DarkJackal wrote:

RedBlueGreen wrote:

my alt char is getting powerfarmed at ongs, yes by botters but who cares

like i said b4 im not a bot supporter

"I don't support killing animals for fur, but I just bought a nice tiger skin rug"
You don't support the cause, but you like the result.
"I don't support police, but I will call them if someone breaks into my home"
You don't support a service until you need it
"I don't support Joymax but I buy silk"
You hate a company yet give it money that you could spend on a new bike to save fuel.
;d.

damn how long does this have to go on for? lol

"i dont like supporting the government because they suck at thier job, but i have to pay tax because its the law" You have to pay tax because its the law, you don't have a choice.

"i dont support my school in any way, but i still have to go there and learn"
You have to go to school by law, you don't have a choice.
"i dont support gas stations, but i still have to pay the price for gas to get from A to B in time" Well, you can bike. Or bus. But if your an adult with a job you really don't have a choice.

i dont support botters, but when i get free powerfarming from a botter i take it as soon as it comes my way. Why? so i can actually play the game to its fullest with out the hours of sp farming and still be "legit" in my book.

kay?

I don't support murder, but I kill people for fun.
I don't support Illegal immigration, but hire them to mow my lawn.
I don't support thieves, but I steal things to save money. (Use saved money on aforementioned bike)

DarkJackal · **Joined:** Feb 2006 **Posts:** 6119 **Location:** A den~

The only thing i'm obsessed over is when ppl say something stupid and I argue about it lol.

You don't need to be obsessed anyway to see how retarded saying "a program is leveling me but im not the one using the program which means me, my char is not "the botter".. k?" is when you say your legit.

Shadowfox542 · **Joined:** Jul 2008 **Posts:** 914 **Location:**

To help you see the difference:

Botting itself is harmful to legits. Your helping those that harm you.

Quote:

The only thing i'm obsessed over is when ppl say something stupid and I argue about it lol.

You don't need to be obsessed anyway to see how retarded saying "a program is leveling me but im not the one using the program which means me, my char is not "the botter".. k?" is when you say your legit.

This is iffy imo. On Olympus, the "legit" union is okay with bot power level. According to Joymax, hes legit. Being realistic, how many people do you think legit 1-90 FF as a warrior/warlock or one of those SP builds. I would bet a large amount of them ong farmed. If supporting bots by getting plvled by them means that your going to have more capped & farmed legits, that also means that legit guilds are more likely to win the FW.

RedBlueGreen · **Joined:** Nov 2008 **Posts:** 772 **Location:** England

Quote:

I don't support murder, but I kill people for fun.
I don't support Illegal immigration, but hire them to mow my lawn.
I don't support thieves, but I steal things to save money. (Use saved money on aforementioned bike)

whats the point giving more examples? i can give more aswell.............

@dark
wasnt there a topic about "is getting powerleveled by a bot legit"
what was the outcome to that? cant seem to find it.

Shadowfox542 · **Joined:** Jul 2008 **Posts:** 914 **Location:**

RedBlueGreen wrote:

Quote:

I don't support murder, but I kill people for fun.
I don't support Illegal immigration, but hire them to mow my lawn.
I don't support thieves, but I steal things to save money. (Use saved money on aforementioned bike)

whats the point giving more examples? i can give more aswell.............

@dark
wasnt there a topic about "is getting powerleveled by a bot legit"
what was the outcome to that? cant seem to find it.

Whats the point in arguing with people that you will never see or talk to in person? Whats the point of playing a video game? On Olympus and the older servers, it would probably be accepted by server-mates as legit. By Venus standards (they're everywhere on this forum) I am sure it isn't.

Since this was an edit and was editted after someone else posted, Imma copy and paste.

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This is iffy imo. On Olympus, the "legit" union is okay with bot power level. According to Joymax, hes legit. Being realistic, how many people do you think legit 1-90 FF as a warrior/warlock or one of those SP builds? I would bet a large amount of them ong farmed. If supporting bots through getting plvled by them means that your going to have more capped & farmed legits, that also means that legit guilds are more likely to win the FW.

[TS]=Hark=[TS] · **Posted:** Sun Feb 08, 2009 1:03 am

Shadowfox542 wrote:

To help you see the difference:

Botting itself is harmful to legits. Your helping those that harm you.

Quote:

The only thing i'm obsessed over is when ppl say something stupid and I argue about it lol.

You don't need to be obsessed anyway to see how retarded saying "a program is leveling me but im not the one using the program which means me, my char is not "the botter".. k?" is when you say your legit.

This is iffy imo. On Olympus, the "legit" union is okay with bot power level. According to Joymax, hes legit. Being realistic, how many people do you think legit 1-90 FF as a warrior/warlock or one of those SP builds. I would bet a large amount of them ong farmed. If supporting bots by getting plvled by them means that your going to have more capped & farmed legits, that also means that legit guilds are more likely to win the FW.

omg lol, i will stop talking now and let you speak for me

DarkJackal · **Joined:** Feb 2006 **Posts:** 6119 **Location:** A den~

Shadowfox542 wrote:

To help you see the difference:

Botting itself is harmful to legits. Your helping those that harm you.

Quote:

The only thing i'm obsessed over is when ppl say something stupid and I argue about it lol.

You don't need to be obsessed anyway to see how retarded saying "a program is leveling me but im not the one using the program which means me, my char is not "the botter".. k?" is when you say your legit.

This is iffy imo. On Olympus, the "legit" union is okay with bot power level. According to Joymax, hes legit. Being realistic, how many people do you think legit 1-90 FF as a warrior/warlock or one of those SP builds. I would bet a large amount of them ong farmed. If supporting bots by getting plvled by them means that your going to have more capped & farmed legits, that also means that legit guilds are more likely to win the FW.

How is it legit according to Joymax? Because they have the powerlvling function ingame? That doesn't matter, the point is it's a bot doing it, according to joymax it's against the rules to bot(lol), but they still let everyone. I agree powerlvling is ok, I did it plenty, but i'm not a botter botting other people up.

If joymax actually enforced the rules and there weren't bots around, RBG and none of the rest of em getting botlvld would be around either, because they couldn't get it without doing it themselves, what does that say.

Like I said, a program is still leveling RBG, which is the whole point why bots are unlegit.

Shadowfox542 · **Joined:** Jul 2008 **Posts:** 914 **Location:**

In fact, building on my last idea. Think of a level 90 blader. They level very very slow. A server like Venus has a lot of legits. A lot of high level legits as far as I know. Judging by DarkJackals argument, I assume your on Venus.

I hate to reference Olympus, but It's my lovely home.

At peak hours I would estimate there are maybe 20 ong parties. Maybe once a week one of them is legit. The legit union on Olympus does it's best, but is just overwhelmingly out numbered. Most of them are not capped. Personally, I don't think many legits want to grind up to 90 then power level others.

If you need over 1 million SP and your a blader, odds are your never going to hit 90 or you'll bot. Though, if you can ong farm, then you can 0gap your way there. This is much faster than farming.

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How is it legit according to Joymax? Because they have the powerlvling function ingame? That doesn't matter, the point is it's a bot doing it, according to joymax it's against the rules to bot(lol), but they still let everyone. I agree powerlvling is ok, I did it plenty, but i'm not a botter botting other people up.

If joymax actually enforced the rules and there weren't bots around, RBG and none of the rest of em getting botlvld would be around either, because they couldn't get it without doing it themselves, what does that say.

Like I said, a program is still leveling RBG, which is the whole point why bots are unlegit.

And without those people, that's that many fewer at least psuedo-legits around. Take out all the players that have been plvl'd by a botWAIT THAT'S IT

The phrase "Power leveled by a bot" would show that he is not botting, rather a 3rd party. Yes, he is getting leveled by a program. Not his program. He's not breaking the ToS.

Also, to quote you

Quote:

It's a bot doing it

. Indeed a bot is doing it, but he IS NOT. He personally isn't using a program to level up, rather taking advantage of someone else that does use one.

If people stole a ton of money, then gave you some, you broke the law. Evidence holding or something. There is not a law like this in the TOS.

DarkJackal · **Joined:** Feb 2006 **Posts:** 6119 **Location:** A den~

Shadowfox542 wrote:

In fact, building on my last idea. Think of a level 90 blader. They level very very slow. A server like Venus has a lot of legits. A lot of high level legits as far as I know. Judging by DarkJackals argument, I assume your on Venus.

I hate to reference Olympus, but It's my lovely home.

At peak hours I would estimate there are maybe 20 ong parties. Maybe once a week one of them is legit. The legit union on Olympus does it's best, but is just overwhelmingly out numbered. Most of them are not capped. Personally, I don't think many legits want to grind up to 90 then power level others.

If you need over 1 million SP and your a blader, odds are your never going to hit 90 or you'll bot. Though, if you can ong farm, then you can 0gap your way there. This is much faster than farming.

Do you mean you assume i'm on venus? I was only ever on Xian seriously playing.

It's not supposed to be easy, if everyone gets the cap and farmed easily it's not that fun really.

There may be so many ong parties but thats because joymax fails.

It seems kinda like you mean it's so hard to do it, so it's ok to bot or get powerleved by bots.

If you do decide to bot because it's hard due to everyone else botting now, I can understand you wantin to play the game still, but since this game is so fked, it's hard to play legit, and it only gets harder, i'd rather quit then bot and play with the rest of them though like I said it's not fun to me.

Shadowfox542 · **Joined:** Jul 2008 **Posts:** 914 **Location:**

DarkJackal wrote:

Shadowfox542 wrote:

In fact, building on my last idea. Think of a level 90 blader. They level very very slow. A server like Venus has a lot of legits. A lot of high level legits as far as I know. Judging by DarkJackal's argument, I assume your on Venus.

I hate to reference Olympus, but It's my lovely home.

At peak hours I would estimate there are maybe 20 ong parties. Maybe once a week one of them is legit. The legit union on Olympus does it's best, but is just overwhelmingly out numbered. Most of them are not capped. Personally, I don't think many legits want to grind up to 90 then power level others.

If you need over 1 million SP and your a blader, odds are your never going to hit 90 or you'll bot. Though, if you can ong farm, then you can 0gap your way there. This is much faster than farming.

Do you mean you assume i'm on venus? I was only ever on Xian seriously playing.

It's not supposed to be easy, if everyone gets the cap and farmed easily it's not that fun really.

There may be so many ong parties but thats because joymax fails.

It seems kinda like you mean it's so hard to do it, so it's ok to bot or get powerleved by bots.

If you do decide to bot because it's hard due to everyone else botting now, I can understand you wantin to play the game still, but since this game is so fked, it's hard to play legit, and it only gets harder, i'd rather quit then bot and play with the rest of them though like I said it's not fun to me.

It is hard to do it, and I think it would be more beneficial to legits if that person were to get power leveled by bots as opposed to botting. I would rather be in a with a bunch of people that got ong farmed than a union with a bunch of botters >.<

Ideally, you hand grind without plvl from 1->90. Sadly, that seems to happen very rarely these days. Your right though, you can either stay in it for the long haul or become another bot in the crowd, or quit.

Shame hardly anyone new joins >.<

ping_lo · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 911 **Location:**

RedBlueGreen wrote:

damn how long does this have to go on for? lol

"i dont like supporting the government because they suck at thier job, but i have to pay tax because its the law"

Only if you use federal services etc. It is actually quite possible to survive and not have to pay taxes. Your life would be very different. But people do it.

RedBlueGreen wrote:

"i dont support my school in any way, but i still have to go there and learn"

Not entirely true either. Things seem to point to you being a good case for dropping out. You might be able to save the govt and others a bit of tax dollars by doing so.

RedBlueGreen wrote:

"i dont support gas stations, but i still have to pay the price for gas to get from A to B in time"

Only if you want to travel in a gas powered vehicle. No one is stopping you from walking or riding a bike. No one is pointing a gun to your head to make you buy gas.

RedBlueGreen wrote:

i dont support botters, but when i get free powerfarming from a botter i take it as soon as it comes my way. Why? so i can actually play the game to its fullest with out the hours of sp farming and still be "legit" in my book.

By conciously and purposefully accepting bot Plvl you are in effect a bot. You are being lvled by a program. There is no loophole. It is not the PK2 edit that makes you not legit.

RedBlueGreen wrote:

i think u misunderstood me LOL, i was not comparing them i was just giving another 3 examples, haha...

Well all the examples you gave were at best straw men and at worse laughable. I suppose we could give you another try but you do fail pretty hard.

RedBlueGreen wrote:

i dont care that they bot, if i did i would be wasting my time caring on some thing that i cant change.. it doesnt really effect me so i dont care.

It does effect you. Though you simply do not have the intelligence to comprehend how. And frankly how do you know it can't be changed. You never tried.

RedBlueGreen wrote:

hours of sp farming is some that i dont want to do, like i dont want to pay some these stupid taxes but i have to. SP farming, i can get around that and still play the game legitly.

You are not playing legitly. You are leveling via bot. Maybe you are running the bot maybe you are not. One thing is for sure you are not legit and you do not belong on these forums.

Pan_Raider(`_´) wrote:

his statement is not really transparent, because he does not directly STATE that he supports them

thus:

..|.. -.- ..|..

because

RedBlueGreen wrote:

......i dont support botters, but when i get free powerfarming from a botter i take it as soon as it comes my way. Why? so i can actually play the game to its fullest with out the hours of sp farming and still be "legit" in my book.

kay?

THAT IS BOTTING AND SUPPORT OF BOTS. kay?
..|.. -.- ..|..

RedBlueGreen wrote:

ok.. so most people are bot supporters i guess, the people that pick up thier drops/gold,

The person is there actually picking up the gold and choosing to do that instead of grinding themselves. Either way it is their choice and they are making the effort to do it themselves and not running a program to get ahead. Your argument is a red herring.

RedBlueGreen wrote:

the people that party grind with them,

It is a grey area though as long as the person pulls their own weight and is not just leaching off the bot doing nothing like yourself then it is marginally acceptable.

RedBlueGreen wrote:

the people that buy items from them,

Simply because a botter has an item does not always mean that he gained it illicitly. Further it is an unreasonable expectation to think that everyone will be able to source the items they get and learn the items history. Your argument is again a straw man.

RedBlueGreen wrote:

the people that help them on trade runs,

Well most botters don't trade and with trade aliases you can't always be 100% sure who some random guys is. It is an unreasonable expectation to expect everyone to know every trade alias. Though if they pull their weight and do their job on the trade then the bots presence is no big karmic black spot. The botter is actually there for once. Again marginally acceptable situation. Your argument is a straw man once again.

RedBlueGreen wrote:

the people that join exp dist partys with them ECT i could go on forever~

Pleas don't. Your fail in this thread approaches epic proportions. I think if you failed any harder the board might implode.

RedBlueGreen wrote:

all the examples i said just now.. must mean your a bot supporter because you are either helping them or taking some thing from them.. in my case im taking free pfarming from them.

Pfarming is not comparable to taking their gold and items from them. By purposefully accepting bot Plvl you are not a legitimate player. That is a conscious decision on your part. Picking up random gold a botter dropped is not.

Pan_Raider(`_´) wrote:

+1
he speaks truth lol,

Mental note you are either a bot supporter or of sub par intelligence.

Pan_Raider(`_´) wrote:

even though most people are against bots, they start bragging about the items they got from bots by making them murderers, killing tons of them with bot traps and what not..
and they are unconciously buying items from bots in the stall network..

They are not using the bots to get the items. The items are a side effect of inconveniencing the bots. Consider yourself pwned.

Pan_Raider(`_´) wrote:

like bot supporters, there are many types of being legit,
but the most ridiculous statement would be that you are 100% legit

My lvl 80 blader is 100% legit. Simply because you are weak does not mean everyone is. There is only 1 type of being legit I am afraid and you do not know what it is.

RedBlueGreen wrote:

DarkJackal wrote:

Picking up their drops is stealing from them pretty much. Partying with them is a bit diff, this game is full of em, if you plan to party or are euro, your pretty much screwed unless you got plenty of friends to make your own party, but even still, in a party with bots they aren't doing the work for you, you are doing your share and your gaining the bonus you get form share parties. Same thing with buying items mostly, you wouldn't even know unless you goto their stall or trade them anyway.

I've noticed you can go on forever >.>. But those aren't like having a bot lvl you or farm you.

they might be different but your still supporting them. Thats what we are talking about right? supporting them?

Wait stealing from bots supports bots? Did you escape from the short bus. You do know how absurd you sound. Right?

RedBlueGreen wrote:

im the one taking... they are getting nothing from me.. im not paying them to pfarm me so how can i be supporting them if im not giving/helping them. If i wasnt in thier party then it would still be the same.. they will still be there farming.

at least then you would still be legit. Picking up stray bot gold or stealing bot items do not have the slipper slope that bot Pfarming has. Tbh bot Pfarming is a copp out for the weak minded. If it was ok to be Plvled by bots then no one would bot their main and just Plvl them all. Guess what they are still likely running the bot though and still not legit. Stop while you are ahead please.

RedBlueGreen wrote:

a program is leveling me but im not the one using the program which means me, my char is not "the botter".. k?

Says who? You? And I am supposed to believe that you are not the one running the program. Because?

Pan_Raider(`_´) · **Joined:** Jul 2006 **Posts:** 4737 **Location:**

jeez and starting a whole string of bites

ping_lo wrote:

Pan_Raider(`_´) wrote:

his statement is not really transparent, because he does not directly STATE that he supports them

thus:

..|.. -.- ..|..

because

RedBlueGreen wrote:

......i dont support botters, but when i get free powerfarming from a botter i take it as soon as it comes my way. Why? so i can actually play the game to its fullest with out the hours of sp farming and still be "legit" in my book.

kay?

THAT IS BOTTING AND SUPPORT OF BOTS. kay?
..|.. -.- ..|..
let me state it this way:
he goes into a pwr lvl and pays, unknowing that the pwr lvler is a bot since it wasnt in the description.
What you might mean is: "Taxi Ong 1h/100k I Wizz lvl 72 BOT"
And either way HOW IS THAT BOTTING? should he turn on an own bot to kill the monsters?
some one else is botting, you are angry RBG isn't, take it

RedBlueGreen wrote:

ok.. so most people are bot supporters i guess, the people that pick up thier drops/gold,

The person is there actually picking up the gold and choosing to do that instead of grinding themselves. Either way it is their choice and they are making the effort to do it themselves and not running a program to get ahead. Your argument is a red herring.

thin line between this one and the stuff you stated above.
he is using bots to give him points, while you are letting bots kill mobs and you get money

RedBlueGreen wrote:

the people that party grind with them,

It is a grey area though as long as the person pulls their own weight and is not just leaching off the bot doing nothing like yourself then it is marginally acceptable.

so, looking at the stuff above again.. WHY shouldn't he sit there and get pwr lvl for FREEE?
seen by your point of view, it wouldn't be supporting the bots with money as in the pwr lvl thing,
but you want him to grind, and that would be giving the bots more exp
its a grey area like many others whilst having the word "bot" in the argument

RedBlueGreen wrote:

the people that buy items from them,

Simply because a botter has an item does not always mean that he gained it illicitly. Further it is an unreasonable expectation to think that everyone will be able to source the items they get and learn the items history. Your argument is again a straw man.

you are talking about player bots i recon,
plus the argument that his argument is straw man is mangyang itself..
bots are part of sro, the item discussion proves it, but go ahead and place it into your
"grey area"

RedBlueGreen wrote:

the people that help them on trade runs,

Well most botters don't trade and with trade aliases you can't always be 100% sure who some random guys is. It is an unreasonable expectation to expect everyone to know every trade alias. Though if they pull their weight and do their job on the trade then the bots presence is no big karmic black spot. The botter is actually there for once. Again marginally acceptable situation. Your argument is a straw man once again.

last resort: grey area

RedBlueGreen wrote:

the people that join exp dist partys with them ECT i could go on forever~

Pleas don't. Your fail in this thread approaches epic proportions. I think if you failed any harder the board might implode.

RedBlueGreen wrote:

all the examples i said just now.. must mean your a bot supporter because you are either helping them or taking some thing from them.. in my case im taking free pfarming from them.

Pfarming is not comparable to taking their gold and items from them. By purposefully accepting bot Plvl you are not a legitimate player. That is a conscious decision on your part. Picking up random gold a botter dropped is not.

so by what you say, he is on the lookout for bot pwr lvls and
you dont pick up bot money consciously, who picks the money then?

Pan_Raider(`_´) wrote:

+1
he speaks truth lol,

Mental note you are either a bot supporter or of sub par intelligence.

i bet you were one of NB's followers, but tell you what, she botted
either way: you bludgeon me to say that i dont give a damn about some stuff like that.
If i support bots: just because you say i do
If you are legit: just cos you make people see it that way

plus sub par intelligence: you are All foam, no beer...

Pan_Raider(`_´) wrote:

even though most people are against bots, they start bragging about the items they got from bots by making them murderers, killing tons of them with bot traps and what not..
and they are unconciously buying items from bots in the stall network..

They are not using the bots to get the items. The items are a side effect of inconveniencing the bots. Consider yourself pwned.

take a look at what you stated above lol,
inconviniencing the bots by buying their stuff..
plus even though they didnt use bots to get the items, a bot acquired them anyhow

Pan_Raider(`_´) wrote:

like bot supporters, there are many types of being legit,
but the most ridiculous statement would be that you are 100% legit

()My lvl 80 blader is 100% legit. Simply because you are weak does not mean everyone is. There is only 1 type of being legit I am afraid and you do not know what it is.

do you always look into stalls to be sure that the person doesnt have the hint of bot on himself?
do you ask them and go offender status to prove they arent bots?
do you stalk them before you are absolutely sure they arent?
do you leave a party as soon as there is a botter in it?

tell me about the 1 type of legit please, if it isnt what i am thinking, namely:
paraniod hardcore legit

RedBlueGreen wrote:

DarkJackal wrote:

Picking up their drops is stealing from them pretty much. Partying with them is a bit diff, this game is full of em, if you plan to party or are euro, your pretty much screwed unless you got plenty of friends to make your own party, but even still, in a party with bots they aren't doing the work for you, you are doing your share and your gaining the bonus you get form share parties. Same thing with buying items mostly, you wouldn't even know unless you goto their stall or trade them anyway.

I've noticed you can go on forever >.>. But those aren't like having a bot lvl you or farm you.

they might be different but your still supporting them. Thats what we are talking about right? supporting them?

Wait stealing from bots supports bots? Did you escape from the short bus. You do know how absurd you sound. Right?

uh.. he i think he wasnt referring to what you are saying lol

you cant say it because

RedBlueGreen wrote:

im the one taking... they are getting nothing from me.. im not paying them to pfarm me so how can i be supporting them if im not giving/helping them. If i wasnt in thier party then it would still be the same.. they will still be there farming.

at least then you would still be legit. Picking up stray bot gold or stealing bot items do not have the slipper slope that bot Pfarming has. Tbh bot Pfarming is a copp out for the weak minded. If it was ok to be Plvled by bots then no one would bot their main and just Plvl them all. Guess what they are still likely running the bot though and still not legit. Stop while you are ahead please.

RedBlueGreen wrote:

a program is leveling me but im not the one using the program which means me, my char is not "the botter".. k?

Says who? You? And I am supposed to believe that you are not the one running the program. Because?

go find proof now, time is running, your mouth too

so this is what the offtopic people were saying about GD

its just a game lol

rek · **Posted:** Sun Feb 08, 2009 12:47 pm

People have their own views. Arguing with them isn't going to change someone's perspective that easily.

So.. useless flame is useless flame.

/lock

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