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Alright one more post.

Yes of course I cheated. If I got caught I was punished, I got mad and felt I had been wronged. When I won, I felt great because not only did I pull one over on them but I also got the prize! Look, I was no different from you. The only difference is that I grew up.

And I realized that what I valued most was self-respect. A baseless win gave me no pride. Winning by cheating is ultimately an admission that you are weaker than your competitors. Cheating is a shameful act, whether successful or not. Playing with honor is what really matters and winning with honor is icing on the cake. And I'll be honest with you...I usually win.

A cheater who wins and feels pride in that victory is self-deceived. It is pathetic.

+1 Well said

It's not the winning that counting, but winning with honor, even losing with honor that is valuable.

Cheat is always used by the weaker, inability to use his own effort to make an accomplishment. Pathethic.

0l3n, grow up!

Btw, how old are u?

Ehm, I dindnt say that player bots dont contribute to the downfall of SRO, though i did say only by a small part.

If you think that the 1% darkside thing (wow i sound like a starwars freak ) thing exists then your lyin to yourself. Its human nature to want to win and to want to be better than someone else.

I think your a little naive (spellcheck?), the world isnt as beatifull as you may think.

And you guys are taking this to personal, its supposed to be a discussion not a flame war

Yes. But if you cheat to win, you're admitting that you are not better than someone else. So what you are saying is wrong. It's not that you want to be better than someone (because you've already admitted that's false by cheating), you just want everyone else (including your competitor) to believe that you are better than they are. I forget the expression for this (Barotix knows it) but it basically means that your worth is determined by other people, not yourself. Although prevalent, it is a weakness.

They're not flaming.

And I was confusing the concept of self-worth with a related concept: "locus of control." Cheaters usually believe in an external locus of control. Similar but different idea. Hope you understand.

Pretty sure it will turn into a flame war soon. Telling me to grow up isnt helping.

And who said I cheat?

External locus of control means they allow outside properties to effect their decisions and accredit their shortcomings to foreign elements.
EX:
Bob failed the test and shouts; "The test was to hard."
Tim failed the test and shouts; "I should have studied."

Botters tend to be insecure about themselves and blame others for their weaknesses. They always try to justify their actions and they always fail at it.



None of us said you cheat but you imply it with your questions.



The term grow up is valid here. Nonego and Silo are older than both of us. Eventually you kick the habit of cheating. I don't cheat. It doesn't feel right.

Im not saying its flaming just that it isnt helping.

There are alot of people WAY older than me or you making a living on cheating.
Cheating to secure a safe and good future does not go away when you get older, im pretty sure of it.

but..but...I love using tuck tuck tuck in age of empires 3

I'm assuming that's a cheat. The reason you use it is because you can't win without it?


It's still cheating.

Im guessing its because its a fun thing? I remember I loved that car thing age of empires 1 and 2.

lol, do you mean "how do you turn this on" rofl, i'd copy paste that 100 times at the beginning of every mission and pwn

neways, bots r bad

lol cant remember. I was like 8 years old then

A car shooting missiles was epic!

do u remember the cheat where u get a naked guy that ran really fast?

Oh yeah, or I think so... Wasnt he like useless?

yea, but a good scout. or you could just use marco/polo

Rofl, remember e=mc2 ?

lol, i rarely use that. the cobra car is just too nice.

Cheating in Age of Empire is cheating on the com AI. It's a total different thing from cheating on a real human who has emotions.

In any competition, there's always an universal rule: a balance; when smt goes up, the concurrent must goes down; both cant go up at the same time. By using a 3rd pt force to change, modify the state of the balance (cheating), u have unmorally made the concurrent's side of the balance go down, smt that both doesnt deserve to get it. That's where begin a conflict. But by maintaining sides of the balance at the same level, the balance stands still forever. We call that "peace".

Human evolved from monkey (by theory, or whatever it called), therefore inherits a natural universal rule: the rule of survival (natural selection). The strong eats the weak; the strong lives, the weak dies. So it's understandable that u want to cheat to be better than other ppl, it's because of the desire of being stronger.

But, we, human, is a special generation of species. We got "intelligence"! It's time to judge what is good, what is wrong, what should do, what shoulnt do, be aware the consequence of a war, and the profit gaining from peace...

Of course u can still follow the "old" rule of the natural. But look into a mirror, u are not human, u are an animal! With the intelligence we have, we dont need to follow the path traced by the natural, we can choose our own path!! (to have a better world, not for a better future species)

Sleep ~

i dunno, with ppl still believing in god and thetans and oujia boards, it's hard to call humans intelligent

Lol, were dumb as hell compared to other animals when it comes to peace, if thats what you want. And we are animals, never really understood that expression.

sorry to quote something old (yes i read the entire thread) but i just wanted to say something about this.

when i started olympus in august 06 there was hardly anyone past 60. i dont think i ever seen a firebull untill i was 35 on my first character. i had my own guild and we used to do trade runs every night. my highest lvl member was lvl 45, Xmas, me and xmas would hunt and then there would be 3 or 4 lvl 20-30 traders. it was quite fun. i dont think i ever ran into a thief higher then lvl 45. back then i used to think Xmas was leet as hell because he was pure int spear and could uaually 1shot any thief . that is what olympus was like before bots. the most jobbing was 40-50. one of the best thief guilds was Royals and my friend Dante_ was in it. and he was lvl 42. but i remember they used to thief dnw all the time. this may all seem pointless but its leading to something. so you can say ya i would be mad when bots started to flood the server and we couldnt pvp or go on trade runs anymore. the ppl who where 40-50 shot all got to 80 in a hurry and i was still 40 like wth?

im trying to paint a picture here. at first yes i was mad as hell and jelous too at botters. then oneday i logged on to find half my union gone. i talked to some of the ppl that where still left and they told me that PowerNuker had been found botting in the caves. i was like wtf? pn? botting? everone was upset that ChrisDoll44 the leader of the union, had allowed a botter into his guild. the union fell apart. half of his guild left. i talked to him i said chris, why dont you just kick pn and things will go back to normal? and he wouldnt do it because PowerNuker was a good friend of his. so i stayed by chris. and mabey a month later, he pms me. i had been trying to talk to him, i mean he was online but wouldnt answer me. then he came back and said bb, i was afk. so i said stalling? he goes no, i was botting. i mean after the union feel apart and half his guild left... he just starts to bot? i had known chris for about a year at that point and he was my good friend. so i was mad at him for like a week and couldnt take it anymore. i said chris, i dont care that you bot. yes i was mad at him but lose a friend because he choses to bot? he had helped me thru being hacked, thru losing my guild (eventually i joined his). he had done alot for me and i just dont think it would have been worth it to lose a friend because he decides to bot.

No i have never in my life botted, and i never will. but i just wanted to say this because i know it feels to have a friend who bots. you just have to accept it. i mean alot of my good friends are bots. and sence this is not connected to joymax im not afriad to say their names. on olympus id say 50% of my friends botted (i latter found out Xmas was a botter xD, oh well) and on posiden 100% of my friends bot, why? because when DjBlizzard went left olympus and started to bot on posiden. he made friends. so when i came back from wow and dj invited me into his vent. theys hella tight. Joeyyyyyyy <333333!

if you think this story has no point then your wrong, but if you think that i cant tell stories for shit and i add in alot of unimportant details then thats ok.

ic3's "argument" is stupid. no shit not all botters are "fack mather", that's not the point. srf is a legit community. cry all you want about it.

i think theres a major difference between ppl who get to say 20 and go OH F**K IT! and start to bot. and those that make it past 60+ before botting. there has to be something drastic to happen to someone whos a hardcore legit (because lets face it if your 64+ your hardcore) to make them start wanting to bot. i dont think its a oh f**k it kinda thing.

and for those of us that are there when our friends turn. its hard to deal with. but loseing a friend over a game is not the way. so i think what this thread is really about is there is a difference between supporting bots. and being friends with a bot. im pretty sure the ppl who have friends that bot arnt on the sidlines cheering them on, they dont like the choices their friends have made but it doesnt make them different from what they where before. and it doesnt make them a bad person.

Whats losing friends ingame got to do with this forum????

Im gonna just spot address your little "I cheated on a test" story.

What if your test was graded on a curve and what if its not you that cheated, but 45/50 other students did. Say you studied all night knowing just how hard that test was gonna be only to find out that 45 of your classmates didnt and in return made your A into a C. That might piss ya off. It would certainly piss ME off. It would piss me off to the point that I would turn those people into the school and hopefully get them expelled so that my future hard work means more grade wise.

As for the social side of things, In high school, there were some kids that liked to listen to goth punk music and sit in dark rooms and say that no one understood them. I didnt identify with those people very much and we didnt hang out. Same with botters. We dont have the same ideals, motives, etc so I dont want to hang out with them. They keep trying to force their way in tho. It's annoying.



Stupid, stupid, stupid... chimps kill other animals for no reason, so do dolphins, killer whales and many, many other omnivorous social animals. The animals that are good at peace are prey animals, because they are victims and therefore a conciliatory manner is a survival instinct. Get some anthropology.

Generally the one's who say "I'm not a botter, I just don't care, bots are people too" usually get banned at some point. You can find many of them in this section.

And infect. You are a Farking retard. "We don't bot, we babysit, SO WE DONT BOT!!11!" Seriously, you have the most pathetic logic I've ever seen. Over anyone on this forum, ever. EVER. Please, go commit suicide now.

Lol why do i even try?

I see the people who quote me and then i see how much they wrote and i think "I'm not reading all of that lol"

I've voiced my opinion, thats what i wanted

On my last note before i leave this thread..

I pity those who play this game hours on end while all the time they spend on this game, they could have spent on doing something productive or to learn something

Edit:

I just read the short replies

@ Axeoo7, your last sentence was basically "2 days of game-time wouldnt make a difference anyways" Don't lie to yourself. You and I both know 2 days of game-time would make a huge difference.

You just lost, no explanation needed.