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Just wanted to point this out... he really wants to be accepted by the legit community.

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"Venus is a Haven for Nazi's, Don't Kid yourself"

No; there is no such thing as "implied admittance" on SRF. Either he does it or he doesn't.


Looking at the ToS&EULA literally; power level would be considered a bug in the system and by getting power leveled one is actively exploiting a bug. By not reporting the bug yet exploiting it you are clearly breaking the clause in the rules that clearly states one can be banned for bug exploitation at Joymax' discretion. As for not talking to bots: I never stated that one should not talk to botters. It is clear I posted that one should not fraternize with cheaters.

p0wn by Barotix. Again.

Can you link me to it? They have updated so much since then. (I just wanna read it)

I've checked Here
Here and Here

I cant find it O.O

Oyukiyo and the Other Dude who quoted me fails. Terrible Comparison. I would say its more like buying a stolen good that you dont know is stolen.

Good Show Avalonians!(Some BlackHand PPls) You've officially been added to the Best Union Of JackAsses! Congratulations. I honestly thought avalon was way more mature than that. The people from blackhand....totally stunned

ignorance is a virtue, cherish it.

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Take it to pm's and less flames pl0x.

a) Even if you don't know they are stolen - the goods are considered being "stolen goods".
In oder to keep it simple, I'll quote Wikipedia on that:

You can be forced to return stolen goods to the original owner. Further, if there is proof of you knowing about the goods being stolen, this is a punishable act, according to federal law, for example.

b) You do know they are stolen.


Stop trying to justify being a jerk. To give you an example of another bad comparison: Trying to justify writing bullshit on the internet while being a total douchebag is like trying to ride a bike with square wheels. It unevitably leads to failure, like shown in this picture:

^ SHAZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM

i've played SRO for quite a long time. even before the 90 cap and FW. at first, i DID get botplvls and even had a few bot friends. this "alternative" to the confederation is at best, a joke. since returning to SRO after the expansions, i've learned what "legit" really means. to put it simply, play the game without mods/hacks/exploits. if you are partying with somebody who uses one of the above, you are just as GUILTY as they are. even if YOU dont use one of the above and one of your guildmates does and is not kicked from the guild for that act, YOU are as GUILTY as they are.

always remember, it's a GAME. if you don't play it as it's MEANT to be played and have fun, you need to find a game where you CAN have fun without using hacks/mods/exploits. if you dont, you wont have an account for long and will be continously making new characters. that ends with your getting bored with doing the same levels over and over and quitting anyway. if you don't see my point and don't use this bit of advice then you are doomed to quit. what i'm saying is, "the confederation works because that is how it SHOULD be on ALL servers/games.".

If you play this game as it was intended (without cheats, hacks, 3rd party programs or using cash to buy in-game items) you won't find a more welcoming, supporting friendly group than the legit guilds of the confederacy. If you play fair and have a good attitude, you will be immediately accepted by Venus and find a very close...if not dysfunctional at times...family. This isn't asking too much. Simply don't be a dick and don't cheat.

If you don't play this game as intended (you use a bot or the benefits of botting, you use cheats and hacks, you buy items and/or gold) you won't find a more vicious, brutal, zealous group of people to defend this server and try and make you leave. And some of us are going to be dicks about it.

You guys act like we're asking you to donate a goddam internal organ. Is it really that hard for you to refrain from cheating? All that we're saying is:

"if you want to play with us, you need to play fair."

Let me say this again, because somehow you guys think that this simple little statement makes us into a bunch of fcking Nazis. Collectively, we've agreed on a set of rules that we, as a group, think are critical to our enjoyment of the game. We exclude people that don't agree with us. The only reason why this causes so much fcking handwringing and panty-twisting by those who don't agree with us is because we're so successful. Because we've found that - holy shit - there are quite a few people who want to play fair. So I'll say it again:

"if you want to play with us, you need to play fair."

So what are y'all mad about? That we disrupt afk bot plvls? Is that why we're Nazis? Because we don't want people who cheat to be successful? Well, I'm not going to apologize for that. And who cares? It's just a game, right?

Avalon or the confederate does not set the standards for legits EVERYWHERE. I respect the wishes of my guild leader which to me meant, no cheats, no bot pts, no botting, no buying gold. Thats 4 rules, count em, 4. Everything else on that long list you posted I neither know nor care about.

I don't bot out of respect for myself,
I don't pt with bots out of respect for legits,
I don't cheat cause im good for that,
and i don't buy gold because then i'd be a person who traded his real hard earned money for disney dollars and all the rides are broke....

If a guild says no botting and no gold buying who are you to say they can't be considered legit just because they're not as fanatical you other guilds about the definition. The game is broke, alot of people want to fight fire with fire, alot of ppl don't have time to be bogged down by a whole bureaucracy of rules of engagement, its not fun, it no longer becomes a game, it becomes a chore. As long as they're not botting thats fine with me and there was a point where that was fine for everyone....

But you guys keep it up, keep beating these ppl down. Keep telling ppl who try to start legit guilds on other servers that it won't work, keep treat any non-conformist like crap, keep telling ppl that its your way or the high the highway and those ppl will pick a side, and it won't be ours....

Are you referring to that point in time when legits sort of vanished from the map and servers were completely taken over by bots?



This is Venus. Get over it. You cannot keep up with our standards of legitimacy? Fine, play on another server and be a part of the bot community there, nobody cares. I'm just wondering how there can be any different standards of legitimacy - either you are legit or not. Either you cheat or you don't. Either you commit a crimeor you don't.

and im saying its a game. Get over it. This is venus? Wth is that supposed to mean. We're no different than any other server, gold bots line the grind areas from Bunwangs to the The Ice. There are no real job wars, you can say "we trade!" but its nothing like the old days and anyone who remembers them knows that. So what makes Venus different, the presence of Avalon has not stopped the inevitable rise of bot guilds, has not stopped the gold bots, has not stopped inflation. NOTHING IS DIFFERENT. Just because we have 1 legit to every 10 bots instead of 1 to every 20 doesn't change the game. You stand around high and mighty on a pedestal you call confederacy and treat everyone, literally, everyone who doesn't see eye to eye with you like crap. Fly tried that BS with BHA earlier this year, it didn't work, we didn't convert, its just pissed us off and for awhile drew a deeper line in the sand. Thats what your doing to every player on Venus.

I understand the plight of the legit community and i understand that we have standards. What i disagree with is the black and white perspectives like they're are no grey areas, You don't like those guys cause they don't follow all your rules, don't party with them. But guess who will party with them, the enemy and guess who they'll become friends with, the enemy. There is a clear enemy that we're trying to get of rid of here and thats botters, if these ppl agree not to bot i see no point in treat them like trash, i also see no point in rushing to there aid. Pick your battles wisely because we're making enemies out of potential allies and it really isn't necessary when we could choose a stance of indifference and focus on the real current problem, botters.

I would like to know who you are, in-game.

If Venus isn't different to any other server, then we have failed. If you see it like that, there you go.

I don't see it like that. I see a small difference in between Venus and every other server. Venus' Fortress is controlled by legits. Venus' PvP area is most of the time dominated by legits. Venus' leading guilds are populated by legits.

Argh, come on, seriously, why am I writing this - play venus for a month or two, then go to, let's say, Babel, all time favourite when it comes to botting issues. And then come back here and say there is no difference.

Edit: And with all you've written you've only proven one thing: That you do not have the slightest idea of how things work and what the Confederations aims are.

O, now I know, you're Darcia. lol, that explains a lot. I love people acting like they know it all, who put everything into well chosen words but have no substance behind anything they say. All your intellectual blabla and conspiracy theories won't get you anywhere as long as you're talking without having a clue.

i've played Venus for several months. Im Darcia. I've been in a legit guild for several months, i've partied with legits for several months, i've stood outside the gates of samarkand and for 20 minutes and repeatedly killed some b1tch cause they were using pk2 cheating. I've gotten on a noob and on my thief and tried to disrupt ong pts. For over a year i played on Olympus with a blader, legit, belonged to one of the few legit guilds, until i was run out of my grind by bots.

I know what being legit means, i have the hours hard grinding and the pride to prove it.

The following has nothing to do with this discussion and therefore i placed in spoiler tags and ask that if you have a response to it PM me because i don't want to take this Off Topic.


At the end of the day you have to look at the battle. The battle is against bots. They are the enemy, the enemy of my enemy is my friend? In this case that could be taken to far but can we at least treat the enemy of my enemy as someone who is not an enemy. Its like WWII with US and Russia, did we like russia, no. But we had a common enemy and we were both willing to do our part to get rid of them, then after we got rid of the bigger problem we could spend the rest of our years giving each other the cold shoulder till be found new common ground. Thats my point, lets not make enemies out of potential allies, they see things differently than we do but we have the same goal, NO BOTS, lets get rid of the botters and then worry about the details latter.

As I posted earlier: The confederacy and online games in general only have one rule. The rule is usually unwritten except in the case of a written TOS/EULA where the rule is expanded upon. Like the TOS/EULA game companies produce, the confederation expands on the rules to prevent cheating. It is rather simple: Avalon is not defining the rules (Avalon does not control the confederacy), the confederacy does not define the rules, the rules are defined by the company and executed by the community.

Just as society only has one true "law" (Respect property rights) all games, online and offline follow one rule: Don't Cheat. It is easy to decide what is cheating and what isn't cheating, but occasionally legit guilds head butt each other when they have a disagreement on cheating. What is cheating and what isn't cheating becomes clearly defined out of necessity.

• No Botting
• No Bot Support -
  
  • No 8 Man Parties with cheaters.
  • No fraternizing with cheaters.
  • No plvl from cheaters.
  • may not buff cheaters.
  • may not aid cheaters.
  • If you have to ask if it's legit then it isn't legit.
• No Client Modification or 3rd Party Modifications -
  
  • No Pk2 EDIT ~ This includes: Invisible, Stealth, Zoom Hack Pk2, and any pk2 edit that has a malicious effect.
  • No third party clients. If it is not from Joymax don't use it.
  • No third party loaders. If it is not Joymax's loader don't use it.
• No Gold Buying.
• No Character Buying.
• No Character Selling.
• No Gold Selling.

The rules above all go under: "Don't cheat the game" or "Play fair." There is no bureaucracy. One can play as they wish as long as they "don't cheat" just as one can live one's life the way one wants to so long as they don't infringe on the rights of others. Don't cheat the game. You already live the rules so why are you at odds with the confederation? If Casey simply had one rule: "Don't cheat" then there would be no problems between us, but he would find it hard to keep the group legit by himself and with only one rule he and the legits around him will be forced, out of necessity, to clearly define cheating. Putting what is understood to be illegitimate on paper does not undermine fun.


The details are important. How can you remove botters with an ally that continuously undermines the movement? How can you remove botters when your ally wishes to "play nice" with then? How can you remove cheaters in general with an ally that wants to allow cheating?

And that is where our views differ.

I do not see how, for example, "PeaceKeepers"' goal is to get rid of bots. Yes, they have rules against botting. Yes, they have rules against buying gold. And then that's it.

They would be allowed to party with bots. You cannot attack party members, can you? By partying with bots, they level with them, side by side. They give them room, befriend them and itnegrate them into a meant-to-be legit community. Is that how you actively fight an enemy?

Further: by getting plvled by bots you supply them with funds on the one hand, on the other hand you gain your XP / SP from a bot. Not directly, but indirectly - with the result being totally the same. Is that really your definition of "legit"?

caseyd4 is actually a former BHA member who supposedly got too lazy to grind himself, that's all. he is not trying to fight bots. He is about to support them in every possible way. Maybe he himself is simply too scared of getting banned to bot himself. Or he cannot afford a proper one.



This issue was discussed over and over again and the Confederation's stance on it hasn't changed since. "If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem." Having played Venus for quite a while now myself I can only absolutely agree.

They're no grey area. Either u cheat or u dont cheat. The rules are simple. We just dont want botters feel that they're welcomed in venus. Hence the no-interraction with them (bot plvl/pt with bots etc). We're working hard to make their gameplay in venus a hell. And if there's ppl who want to be friends with them making them feel they're belong here, they're automatically an enemy to us.

Play the game how it was meant to be played. Just dont cheat at all. If u dont cheat, we wont have this argument at all.

Edit : We dont need half-legits as allies.

Umm how am i trying to justify being a jerk? I think you might have misread or misunderstoof all i have said. That or your plain retarded. Its not possesion of a stolen good because your not stealing anything. I would say its more like a conspiracy to commit a crime. You pay someone to do a crime for you .

Your fail pictures arent that good. You should really stop. You are making your self look like a real retard.

If the US didn't have russia help in WWII we would've lost the war. Notice you said half-a** legit not half-a** bot because that is what they are not. Whether it applies to peacekeepers or any other half-a** legit believe that if you don't start seeing grey areas you will lose this war, you will push those who would join us latter into there arms now, thats no way to win a war, a battle maybe, and you're clearly going to win this one, but not a war.

I summed it up a little bit.
I told you abotut eh stolen goods thing. You do not udnerstand. I have to accept that you won't get it. I don't care. You are too dumb for a discussion. Is that good enough for you?



If we start "seeing grey areas" and accept bot supporters, we will lose the war as well. I refer to them as bot supporters for a reason. If bots are the Third Reich and legits are the US troops - bot supporters are not Russia but Japan. Bot supporters are not here to fight bots. Instead they share the same mindset.

Further: If bot supporters were Russia - remember the Cold War?

Just because they don't choose to play the same as you doesn't make them bot supporters, especially if they have a staunch position against botting. If they were Japan thats like saying its an attack on legitimacy as vicious as botting when in reality they are taking a Legit-neutral position (though i think they should ban pk2 cheating as well) and trying to just play the damn game. They aren't going to bot, they aren't going to buy gold, they just going to play the game but because they're not playing it exactly the way ava outlines the game must be played your saying they're the enemy. Thats not right and its unfair. Not every player of this game has be a part of this fight, It is a game after all, i don't think anyone here logged in 2 years ago expecting the fight to be legit vs bot instead of Theifs vs Hunters. I think your forgetting that there are ppl who don't this game is a job, who don't want to his game as a way of life, who have some other way of validating their existence besides how many times they hold the fortress. Your punishing those who aren't being drafted like they HAVE to be drafted in order to play on venus. You don't have the right, god knows you have the balls but not the right.

Actually, the bot supporters are Vichy France, not Japan. Japan are bots too.

Look, the "definition of legit" isn't just some random, arbitrary rules created by power hungry legits. It is a reflection of how the game is meant to be played.

We can always sit back and cherry pick the rules we want to follow and those we don't. What if someone came and said "I'll follow each and every rule in the definition of legit except for the one about changing the size of the mob so they're easier to select. I'm still going to do that." If anyone responded by telling them to GTFO, you'd jump all over them saying that they're just power hungry over a stupid little edit that makes mobs appear larger. But that's not really the point, is it.

Occasionally cities get it into their head that by excusing many "victimless" crimes or "minor" offenses, they're police will be more able to respond to the "important" crimes. New York tried this in the 70's. London is still in the middle of this idiotic policy. It turns out that when you look the other way for the small crimes, ALL crime goes up.

Why do we have zero-tolerance toward some seemingly harmless actions, like word filter edits? Because we know exactly what happens if we take a more laid back approach. You believe that if we were to allow certain smaller infractions, things would still be okay in the end. The majority of the confederacy believes that if we were to allow certain smaller infractions, we'd end up with a server just like all the others. Maybe you're right. I don't think so and it's a chance I don't want to take.

this confederation sounds like a dictartorship.
sounds like the army controls the world.
and guess what in the real world who likes dictartorships?!
...

Gosh, you are talking like a closet botter.

Yes, I DID actually try to express that UNDERMINING EVERYTHING WE STAND FOR indeed IS an "attack on legitimacy as vicious as botting".

It has been explained hundreds of times why bot support as in party with bots, getting plvled by bots and so on is about the same as botting yourself. As many others have already stated before: All we do demand is people to play fair, without cheating and BENEFITING from OTHERS cheating. How hard can that be?

Talking about justice and fairness - how is it fair if one legit has to invest hours into his levelling while another "legit" may just lean back and let a bot do the job as in getting plvled by a bot which - according to the rules supposed by the thread starer - is totally alright for members of named guild.

We do not expect every LEGIT to fight bots whenever they can. They don't have to go to Sam to rape them, they don#t have to try to destroy their plvl parties, they don't ahve to make them murderer or simple murder them themselves. They DO NOT have to do any of this. And this is what I would see as a neutral position in the bot / legit fight. Partying with bots, letting bots gain your XP is not neutrality, it is actually even WORSE than botting itself.

Either you get that point now or I will invite you to GET THE FVCK OUT of this thread and / or the server.



And gratz on trying to imply I would see this game as a way of life, a job and what not. You fail. I meanwhile only find the time to log in once in a couple of days. And I do not validate my existence by how many times legits on venus are holding the Fortress now.

What the fvck are you trying to tell me? That having a life besides Silkroad is an excuse for CHEATING? This IS a game. If anyone of us did not get that point it is YOU, since I do not feel forced to gain levels even if I do not have the time to handgrind my char.