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so there is no sertain order i just have to try to get 70/70 without armor?

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Its nice to see how damage output reacts to different balances. Everyone just remember that since they were wearing different gear the numbers posted should not be considered concrete evidence.

How damage might be calculated
Code:

mag_dmg_base = int*int_reinforce/100 + mag_dmg
phy_dmg_base = (str*str_reinforce/100 + phy_dmg)*(100+wep_mastery_lv)/100

//damage output
phy_damage = (skill_dmg + base_phy_dmg) * skill_dmg_percent
mag_damage = (imbue_dmg * mastery_bonus_imbue +base_mag_dmg) * skill_dmg_percent

total_damage_output = phy_damage * phy_balance + mag_damage * mag_balance

Ok, I prepare an exell with the damage formulas




and this are the results that Ive got for a lvl 80 using a plain lvl 72 bow (http://sro.mmosite.com/database/items_weapon.shtml), last book of fire imbue and without extra skill damage:


Damage of single shot (lower values of attacks, imbue and reinforcement).

Pure str (16k HP)

Normal=2306===>Crit=4104

70:70 (9,2K HP)

Normal=2511===>Crit=3570

(difference Normal=205(8,9%extra dmg)------- Crit= 534(13,0%less dmg))

Damage of single shot (max values of attacks, imbue and reinforcement).

Pure str

Normal=3053===>Crit=5380

70:70

Normal=3419===>Crit=4794

(difference Normal=366(11,99%extra dmg)-------Crit= 586(10,89%less dmg))


Now, a capped lvl 80 but with gear to get 80:80(11,6K HP) and pure str(18,1k HP) with the same gear (+44 str +43 int):

Damage of single shot (lower values of attacks, imbue and reinforcement).

Pure str

Normal=2825===>Crit=4885

80:80

Normal=3023===>Crit=4328

(difference Normal=198 (7,01%extra dmg)-------Crit=557(11,40%less dmg))

Damage of single shot (max values of attacks, imbue and reinforcement).

Pure str

Normal=3751===>Crit=6415

80:80

Normal=4103===>Crit=5795

(difference Normal=352(9,38%extra dmg)-------Crit= 620(9,66%less dmg))


So, that are the numbers that I've found. You get from 7 to 12% of extra damage on any non-crit hit and you loose 9,6 to 13% on the crits. As most of the hit you made will be non-crit you will have a clear increase on the damage you deal, but the biggest problem that I see is that you trade to much HP with this build for that damage increase. Considering the level 80 cap but with lvl69 skills I think that hibrid bow is the best option to be able to kill (I dont like the idea of not being killed but no being able to kill either), but I think this is not the best build because you will probably need more HP.

This graphic is like a resume to let anyone choose they own hibrid (or pure if you like). The next graphic was made with the highest values of attack, reinforcement and fire imbue. On the graphic you can see the damage evolution as a function of the amount of int that you add to your build (with no int or str on the gear) on a lvl80 char with a 72 bow. At same time I've add the HP evolution that is the other really important factor to take into account.





Hope you like it .

Pure str

Normal=3053===>Crit=5380

70:70

Normal=3419===>Crit=4794

(difference Normal=366(11,99%extra dmg)-------Crit= 586(10,89%less dmg))

This is the dmg result when u dont count the opponent's defence. If, because of the defence & absorption, the dmg of str is return to 500, and the dmg of hybrid is return to 866. The difference is still 366 dmg, but it's 73.2% extra dmg

- third, the result might be different when players using skill. We all know that for a bow, mag = 1.6*phy. So 350% magic boost from a skill is like 560% physic boost which can compensate the dmg lost when critical.

- fourth, there are many proofs show that critical from a hybrid is higher or equal a full str, like this thread. How can u explain that with the formula above?

This graphic is like a resume to let anyone choose they own hibrid (or pure if you like).

any one who isnt impressed with his calculations maybe you could do some leg work for us.

The only way to be more accurate is to get the actual formula from Joy Max(not gonna happen) or test ingame.

Step 1 test the experimental formula ingame on mangyangs and see if there is a rough correction factor than can be applied to the calculation

Step 2 test 70:70 bow and str bow by shooting player characters that are pure str/1:1 hybrid/ and pure int. Their build should have an effect on the damage dealt.

Then take those characters and cloath them in armor/garms/protector and record the damage difference.

Step 3 Repeat step 2 every 10 levels

I completly agree that this formula its just and aproximation that can never be considered exact basicaly because I never say against what I was hitting. I put on the formula first minimum and later maximum to try to avoid the attack rating vs parry problem, so I was trying to give all range of possibles values.

As you say the damage can NEVER be calculate if you dont know the target defence, but that will implie make a graphic like the one I did for every mob and garm, prot, armor, prot-armor configuration and that is beyond my patience .

A really interesting point about that is the critical tendence. As you can see there is a minimum value for critical so you can have better crit adding int . That happen basically because you reach a moment when every point that you add to int increase the mag attack more than double the phys attack. Im sure that if we add the defence on the formula we will find that the minimum will be different on every target that we hit.

About how accurate is that formula, I cheked that the mag_dmg_base and phy_dmg_base coincide exactly for me when I use on my bow stats and check my char screen.

I will show you something:



Im an hibr archer and I love this char. Even when people say that a bow suck on pvp normaly I can win more fights that the one I loose. Many people say the hibr crit are low but thats depend completly on your build, we have to consider that there are 237 hibr posibilities (as many as stats points you get up to level 80) and for that its that I made the graphic. I never say that a hibr has low crit basically because I can tested every day. Yesterday I made a 11K with antidevil on a 52 pure str glavier that was trying to pvp with me. Even considering that Im 11 levels higher than him I was still able to do 11k of damage on someone that was using D7 weapon like me and Im not a nuker and I use Ice imbue (and I had to do it twice because he was still trying to hit me).

No build can be consider the best for pvp because if use crap gear you will get pawned. Yesterday I kill a lvl 64 glavier twice and today I loose against a lvl 60 glavier twice.

I will quote myself

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This graphic is like a resume to let anyone choose they own hibrid (or pure if you like).


The best is that every one choose their char as they want, knowing that all possibles builds has strong pros and strong cons. I've choose mine in such a way that I do more or less the same phys and mag damage, basically because like this I do the same overall damage on all the different defence combinations. If you want go pure str you will have like 5 or 6K extra life , if you want go pure int you will have a much higher damage than me on at least 9 of 10 hit (considering a expensive crit 10 bow). What do you prefer is completly up to you .
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Build 6X 1:1 Hibr Cold Archer (trying to prove that its not useless as everybody say)

A really interesting point about that is the critical tendence. As you can see there is a minimum value for critical so you can have better crit adding int . That happen basically because you reach a moment when every point that you add to int increase the mag attack more than double the phys attack. Im sure that if we add the defence on the formula we will find that the minimum will be different on every target that we hit.

Look at the balances

Is it better than 70:70?

Ps: Trying to be int

Weel, as a 70:70 at level 69 100%farmed, with Bicheon at 69 and light/fire at 69 and heusukal at 69. I have to say spear is much better wepon for this build. But then again you use bow cuz you just like it:). As a archer it seems to do a bit more dmg than a str or hybrid str char. But its not noticible enough to throw away 7k hp. But as a nuker It is deffinetly worth to make a 70:70. I can Kill mobs my level in 1 hit with a +3 spear.

So its upto you.