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Post subject: {Guide} The Hybrid Bow, Updated Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 3:13 pm |
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--70:70/80:80 Hybrid Bow Guide by Calisto--
1-Intro:
I'm writing this guide because there's no official guide about the 70:70 hybrid bow and also because I have a 70:70 hybrid bow, and I think it's a powerfull build.
2-Some facts about 70:70/80:80 Hybrid Bow
-Has now weakness but doesn't shine in anything neither.
-The fastest lvling bow build after int bow.
-Mp and Hp are almist the same, but has a bit more mp than hp, unless you have armor with str/int bonuses, which don't affect the 70:70 balance (supposing you have 70:70 and you have a +3 weapon, you'll have 73:70 but not 73:67)
-Wolf is usefull.
--How to make a 70:70 build--
To make a 70:70 build it's nothing about 2 str 1 int or anything like that. It doesn't matter how many str or int you put. Your first goal is to get 70:70% balace. You won't allways get it, sometimes it will be 69:70 or 70:69. If you want to get weapons/armor with str or int bonuses I suggest you get 2 str 2 int bonuses, but remember the max you should get is 80:80, or if you have full +5 str/int protector and weapon I think it will be 90:90. You'll often add 2 int 1 str and then 1 int 2 str. Just try to keep it balanced.
I suggest you wear Protector, as it's average good against both str and int attacks, just like you are.
3-Pacheon Skills:
-Pacheon Mastery Tree:
-Anti Devil Arrow Series:
This is your main skill, and it has a very good critical (20 lol). At higher lvls, it used to be as powerfull as strong bow (350%) but now it's only 250%, but is still quite powerfull.
-Arrow combo series:
This is your second most important skill. Max it aswell.
-Hawk Training series:
Max everything exept the second book, just get it but don't lvl it, and allways use white/blue hawk while in PvP. Black one is better for PvE (just like dog)
-Autumn Wind:
This skill in my opinion is useless because you already have anti devil bow, which is as powerfull as autumn wind, and beserker arrow, which is way more powerfull. Don't lvl this skill.
-Demon Soul Arrow:
This skill is very important as it increases your range. Usefull combined with strong bow series.
-Beserker Arrow:
A very powerfull hit, and faster than strong bow series, also a must.
-Strong Bow Series:
--THE-- most powerfull skill there is at the moment (350%!!!) But also VERY slow... Very good for powning mobs in 1 hit and in PvP to attack players when they don't realise you're shooting them (but don't use it when they are already attacking you!)
-Mind Concentration:
The passive. Easy to lvl as you will only need to lvl it once every 10 lvls, you should allways lvl this skill first when you get lvls 10,20,30...
-Force Skills
Chose either fire or ice, or if you farm sp, take both. It's your choice.
-Ice Mastery Tree:
-Cold Force Series:
Your imbue. The most important skill in the cold mastery. Max it.
-Frost Guard Series:
This will increase your physical defence, very good against str builds.
-Cold Wave Attack Series:
Useless skill, don't lvl it, there's already frost nova for this.
-Frost Wall Series:
Even if you can range from inside your ice wall, this is useless unless when fighting giants. Get it, but only lvl it whren you have extra sp.
-Frost Nova Series:
The second book of this skill is very usefull when getting mobbed. Max the second book and only get one level of the first.
-Snow Storm Series:
Same thing as for frost nova, but this one will not only freeze but also deal high damage. Max the second book and only get one lvl of the first.
-Cold Armor Series:
Just like the pacheon passive, max it whenever you can.
-Fire Mastery Tree:
-Fire Force Series:
Your imbue. Max it.
-Fire Shield Series:
You have a bow, so unless you carry a shield for pvp just to activate this skill, don't lvl it.
-Flame Body Series:
Increases physical damage. Get it.
-Fire Protection Series:
Increases Magical defence, get it aswell.
-Fire Wall Series:
Just like forst wall, not very usefull but level it if you have extra sp to spend.
-Flame Wave:
The nuke. Max both books, but if you are going to take both fire and ice masteries, only level te first book and level the second book of ice nuke.
-Flame Devil Force:
The passive. Increases physical damage. Allways lvl it first when you get lvls 10-20-30.. just like other passives.
4-Leveling/Farming/Quests:
You'll have no problem in PvE. I only fight mobs with two or three lvls above me atm. Don't do quests, you'll get more sp from mob hunting. Or only do quests that give only sp, more sp than exp, only weapons/other rewards... but quests that give you alot of exp and not much sp aren't usefull uness your first goal is to lvl no matter if you have enough sp or not. It's up to you to choose.
You only have two mastery trees, this is a powerfull and easy to make build, I think 2 lvl gap is enough, or 3 if you really want to keep everything maxed.
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I'll maybe improve this guide if I have more info about 70:70 hybrids.[/b]
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Last edited by Calisto on Wed May 09, 2007 7:40 am, edited 9 times in total.
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 5:38 am |
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Great guide, only one question... why ice?!
With fire you would be able to deal higher damage and also have freat nukes when you'r balance is over 8x%.
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 7:12 am |
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thx for great guide 
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 9:57 am |
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Guide stolen by "Jadekiss" how rude.. but it's still a good guide!
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 5:59 pm |
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Quote: To make a 70:70 build it's nothing about 2 str 1 int or anything like that. It doesn't matter how many str or int you put. Your first goal is to get 70:70% balace. You won't allways get it, sometimes it will be 69:70 or 70:69. If you want to get weapons/armor with str or int bonuses I suggest you get 2 str 2 int bonuses, but remember the max you should get is 80:80, or if you have full +5 str/int protector and weapon I think it will be 90:90. You'll often add 2 int 1 str and then 1 int 2 str. Just try to keep it balanced.
70:70 is more like 2int 1str than 2str 1int.
80:80 is not the max. The max is 80:87. But if u build like this, your nuke will be stronger than your weapon skill and it turns your weapon skills useless coz all your attacks are ranged attack.
It's better to be heavy str hybrid build, because 70:70 dies very fast.
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 6:20 pm |
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70:70 packs quite a punch. You can rape pure INT if you are behind a fire wall
Anyway, screw the ice and get lightning and fire.
Rest looks good.
Just pointing out a lil fact: Demon arrow (level 69) also has (+350%), not only Strong bow. apart from that it has attack rating increase, making it superior to strong bow.
But the skill update will come and StrongBow will stun, making it worth getting 
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Calisto
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 6:39 pm |
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-DMD- wrote: Great guide, only one question... why ice?! With fire you would be able to deal higher damage and also have freat nukes when you'r balance is over 8x%.
To kill your mob before it attacks you, and to give you phisycal def
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 6:52 pm |
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In PvP, people are ice immune at higher level. You are left with an imbue that deals little damage and no status effect.
Guess that explains why you need fire -> for the extra damage.
BTW lightning is a must for any build, and with the 90 cap update, you will only be able to raise three masteries effectively. That means:
90 pacheon (weapon tree)
90 lightning (for ghost walk, grass walk, piercing force, etc)
90 fire (for the damage).
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 8:12 pm |
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tiglari51 wrote: In PvP, people are ice immune at higher level. You are left with an imbue that deals little damage and no status effect. Guess that explains why you need fire -> for the extra damage.
BTW lightning is a must for any build, and with the 90 cap update, you will only be able to raise three masteries effectively. That means: 90 pacheon (weapon tree) 90 lightning (for ghost walk, grass walk, piercing force, etc) 90 fire (for the damage).
Atm, ice is useless. But after the update, any build with ice can be a god of tanker. The extra damage from fire is nothing compare to the reduction of the new ice skill. Beside, burn can be immune too.
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Post subject: Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 2:33 am |
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So, the real debate is ice or fire for imbue and buffs?
Can I get more enlightenment on this topic?
I'm making a farming character and want to know which build to go.
Ice: 190k sp
Fire: 225k sp
Not that I'll farm it all at once, but imbue to start.
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Post subject: Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 2:48 am |
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Mauler109 wrote: So, the real debate is ice or fire for imbue and buffs?
yes, especially for int characters, there's a video showing the new ice skill that allowed this korean nuker tank like 4 pure str for a while... basically it transfers some (i think it's only a portion) of the dmg to your mp bar, so your mp gets decreased instead of your hp, and int builds have a LOT of mp...
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Post subject: Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 6:41 am |
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There are so many problems with your guide that I doubt you have a lvl 7X/8X account.
Also Demon Soul only increases your range, it doesn't make you hit harder.
And the strongest bow skill is Devil Arrow. It's stronger and shoots faster than Strong Bow. I don't even have any strong bow skill cause it's junk.
Next time before you make a guide, please have at least a level 7X account and do a lot of PVP.
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Calisto
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Post subject: Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 9:31 am |
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The guide has been updated.
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Post subject: Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 1:53 pm |
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Thanks for the tips. I'm going to go with the ice build. I've got lighting on my nuker, and my first character (no defined build) was fire, so I'll try something new now.
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Post subject: Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 4:48 am |
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I love it, please people be a 70-70 hybrid. You will make my job much easier. I would never have to worry about dying again. This build has to be one of the best on the server for lazy thiefs like my self. maybe a one to two skill kill.
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Post subject: Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 7:40 pm |
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xSiLeNcEx wrote: I love it, please people be a 70-70 hybrid. You will make my job much easier. I would never have to worry about dying again. This build has to be one of the best on the server for lazy thiefs like my self. maybe a one to two skill kill.
I didn't say 70:70 hybrid was THAT good o.O it sure owns many builds but not pure str's or nukers... but it lvls faster than str bow and also hits harder... thats until higher lvls, but im not saying its a bad build, i think it's the best hybrid you can get.
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Post subject: Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 7:46 am |
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nice sig Silo. this is a nice guide. Probably good for PVE. people will take advantage of your HP weakness in PVP.
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Post subject: Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 2:50 pm |
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Calisto wrote: I didn't say 70:70 hybrid was THAT good o.O it sure owns many builds but not pure str's or nukers... So It cant be strs or ints? That leaves nothing. Calisto wrote: but it lvls faster than str bow and also hits harder... Then Why is it that str bow hits harder than any str build? Also 70:70 has no attack power so it levels slower. Calisto wrote: but im not saying its a bad build, i think it's the best hybrid you can get.
It is a bad build. I nuked nachols for 7k at 68, a person who does this 70:70 build nuked them for 3k. Can you say weak? Best hybrid is naked 80%-95% int. (should not go str hybrid)
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Post subject: Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 3:08 pm |
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xSiLeNcEx wrote: Calisto wrote: I didn't say 70:70 hybrid was THAT good o.O it sure owns many builds but not pure str's or nukers... So It cant be strs or ints? That leaves nothing. Calisto wrote: but it lvls faster than str bow and also hits harder... Then Why is it that str bow hits harder than any str build? Also 70:70 has no attack power so it levels slower. Calisto wrote: but im not saying its a bad build, i think it's the best hybrid you can get. It is a bad build. I nuked nachols for 7k at 68, a person who does this 70:70 build nuked them for 3k. Can you say weak? Best hybrid is naked 80%-95% int. (should not go str hybrid)
If you think it's a bad build then go tell that to the guy who created the 70:70: hybrid bow, because it's not me, this guide is just here for people who want to make a 70:70 bow hybrid, people have the choice to choose either nukers/str builds/hybrids, i'm not forcing anyone to make this, i'm just explaining how to make it. Get it?
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Post subject: Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 4:26 pm |
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The strength of the 70:70 bow build is to utilize the aspects of the bow.
It doesn't have to as much magic attack as a sword/spear, not as much physical attack as blade/glaive. But, the skills is where it's strong point is.
The first skill does decent damage, and increases critical.
Critical is based on Physical damage, which is why bladers/glaivers look for high crit blades/glaives.
The big boost to damage aside from criticals is imbues, imbues power gains from the magical attack.
So: Critical damage is better than and INT build, and Imbue damage is better than a STR build.
Another strong point of the bow is the attack speed and range. In PvP if a person is going to face off against a bow-char, the Bow char can get Devil Arrow, and a 2/3/4 arrow combo off. More possibly if the bower is using Ice.
Now some people are imbue to ice at higher levels, but not everyone is.
So there in lies another bonus.
If the person is frozen or slowed, the bow char can get another attack off.
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Post subject: Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 7:45 pm |
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We really need someone to get to cap with this build. Im all for a unique build, but the one major flaw i see in this build is the INT heavy hybrid part. Will the HP really be enough at cap to tank when you need to? Sure you can say "well, you just have to utilize the range" but this isnt always possible. I like to think that i have a very good strategy when it comes to pvp, but that dosnt stop the stuns or knockdowns. In those moments (which happen more often than not) will you have enough HP to tank long enough to get away?
Also, while the damage will be great, there is no possible way your are going to take out the glaiver or blader with 20k hp before they reach you so you need the HP to buy you time.
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Post subject: Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 8:49 pm |
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Mauler109 wrote: I made the build with 90 bow/ice/light and did the health thing. I don't know how to compensate int+ and str+ from equipment, but heres the build i put together. http://bobtheveg.dyndns.org/SRO/Char_Build_Applet/?profile=24252It's going to take a lot of skill points to do it.
I cant view the link cause im at work.
What is the final HP at lvl 80?
The str int bonuses you can have in 8th degree with bow are +57 (with gdf) [10 pieces of gear + 1 weapon @ 5 str int each + GDF]
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Post subject: Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 9:32 pm |
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well, at 90 health is well shit, its not working for me now and I g2g for a bit, if it's working when I come back I'll post.
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Post subject: Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 7:04 am |
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EllisD wrote: We really need someone to get to cap with this build. Im all for a unique build, but the one major flaw i see in this build is the INT heavy hybrid part. Will the HP really be enough at cap to tank when you need to? Sure you can say "well, you just have to utilize the range" but this isnt always possible. I like to think that i have a very good strategy when it comes to pvp, but that dosnt stop the stuns or knockdowns. In those moments (which happen more often than not) will you have enough HP to tank long enough to get away?
Also, while the damage will be great, there is no possible way your are going to take out the glaiver or blader with 20k hp before they reach you so you need the HP to buy you time.
If a nuker can survive with the lowest hp possible in this game, why can't a 70:70 hybrid survive then?
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A nuker deals more damage, I would run away for a nuker doing me 7k or more. But I would not run away for a bower doing me around 5k damage.
As pointed out before prob, but why no lighting? =|. Feck I as str bow user NEED phantom walk to be able to pot some. Its my only defense really.
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Post subject: Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 3:33 pm |
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Sorry bout not posting stats.
Ok. Final Health Points at level 90: 12410.
Final Mana Points at level 90: 15848.
But, take into mind that gear bonuses are not added, so perhaps +6 int and +6 str per gear, and then some + health and + mana could put you up high.
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Post subject: Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 2:03 am |
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Ok now do this:
Compare this 70:70 against a pure STR bow.
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Post subject: Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 6:24 am |
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Temptation wrote: Ok now do this:
Compare this 70:70 against a pure STR bow.
Ok.
Pure str bow:
-Better for PvP
-Lvls slower
-Hits less but has good critical
70:70 hybrid bow:
-Better for PvE
-Lvls Faster
-Hits more but criticals aren't as good as for str bow.
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