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opening a discussion for blader build 90 partly cuz i got pwned badly by dagger (even when in snowshield 30% and ironwall), which leads me to rethink about 90bich 90fire 80light 40ice



so i was tempted to go for
90bich 90fire 90ice 30something(prolly light)

the ultimate tanker, best phy/mag def buffs, 90 ice gets 132x2(ice guard + passive) = 268 phy def (will tis extra phy def give an edge to surviving 90 daggers )
the extra phy def will be a good complement to the new shieldpd skill as it compensates more than the 76% reduction in shield phy def


90bich 90fire 60ice 60light

medicore build, 60 light has juz 3.5m less dist than 90 light ghost walk, but 60 ice has only 42x2 = 84 phy def more only, comparing to the 268 in 90ice


90bich 90fire 80light 30ice (yes i didnt mistake, its light 80 not 90 cuz light 90 only gives 5 parry more, 1m more dist and 1% more mag dmg)

my original planned build, i will only go for this if i wear PROT
so if i wear prot, i will get 1 hitted by wiz, but survive a dagger now


another issue of ice vs light is ghost walk
do u all think ghost walk is that important to KILL OFF enemy? (blader doesnt need to run away fr enemy much )
i mean if ur enemy is dying and then he ghosts walk away (assuming all wif drug of typhoon 100%)

welcome any inputs or discussions or any other builds

lol 30 light when people dash away to nuke or charge up to shoot u wouldnt get there in time.
imagine fighting a 80+ they have 21m phantom or even more it will take you long until you get to them.

IMO having 30 light is worse then 30 ice.
imagine fighting a cross bow person or what ever there called. youd have a hard time to get to them to kd.

so if u have 90 ice you would be a standing tank!
but you wouldnt be able to kill.

and having 90 ice you wouldnt be able to use high snow sheild.

light is improtant for all builds!
this is just my opnion

firstly, 4got to mention have a 80 full farmed blader myself
yea ghost walk is damn important cuz job war and FW is mainly a catching game
(30light has no phantom walk, 32 has)so choosing 90ice is juz to tank

but if i go for 90ice, will surely use 100% drug in job/fortress wars, completely like a euro

and yes max snow shield % for pure str is 30%, ice90 is TOTALLY for the ice guard buffs + passive 268 phy def, not snow shield

If you can stand a hit from a 80 farmed rogue...You will be able to withstand one at lvl 90 ^_^ It's not like they get 2 times stronger and you onlye 1.5 time (for instance)

currently, +5 sets vs +5 sets full blue
when i was KD (wif 2h in warrior/rogue or xbow in rogue/cleric), rogue changes to dagger quickly den does the combo den prick etc.
i could possibly survive wif 30% snow shield + ironwall if i dun do any skills at all, but usualli aft i was KD, was 80% dead within 6-8 sec when dagger does the hits

and dagger prick crits 30k on me w/o snow shield or ironwall
have only 20k hp

i have a hybrid int 1:4 s/s and spear with snow sheild and iron wall i dont die from rogue tha easly.

but your a blader with mre phy def and higher hp and u die to rogue easy... thats strange... i suggest just wear protector and have 30 ice for snow sheild

did u use snow shield when he hit u? even 20% snow shield can help a lot. and if u did, there is something wrong with ur shield ^_^.

I think the ultimate blader build at 90 would be-

90 fire
90 bicheon
80 force
40 lightning

yeah.. i would rather deal more dmg than be invincible, but be useless at kill T_T.

80 force isnt alot at 90 cap its either max Force or 0

you could go 90 sword/90 fire/60light/60cold (maybe up light a little and lower cold... I dont know when the non blue phantom maxes at 21m)

or 60 fire and 90 light, the imbue damage is close enough that being pure str wont notice too much difference, but you'll miss out on the str buff (not sure how much at lv 90 is though, maybe like 15% wont be too much since you can make it up with blues on phy balance), plus the shield buff for phy attack power will make up some of what you lose from 60 fire

this was my plan for my chinese build but then i gave up farming for it :S

I think the best blader build for 90 cap would be 90bich/90fire/90light/30ice or 90 bich/90fire/90force/30light.

I'm going 90 Bicheon / 90 Fire / 60 Light / 60 Ice.

+84 Phys DF with the ice at the loss of a little movespeed which wont even go higher then a Bard or drug of Typhoon.

that seems good. Amzing phy def from ice,sheild and being pure str.
60 light good enough speed and phantom

I find that euros completely ruined the pvp system, seeing as a wizzard can 1-2 hit a glaver, and a rogue can 1-2 a blader, before euros it was either who was more farmed, or who had better gear, now its who's euro and who's not, i hope they fix this when 90 cap comes out, or there isn't gonna be any chinese characters left.

quoted for truth

qouted for people who dont learn...

you cant just press 1234 and expect to beat euros... :S

id go with 90 force aslong with bich and fire. then 30 ice for snow shield, it will be shit to have no speed though.
but if u dont like force at all (u would have 2x chances of getting div on ur enemy at 90) then go with ice 90, and cross ur fingers hopping 90 cap balances overpowered euros with chinese chars..

But euros can simply press 1234 and beet chinese, like on my hybrid at 42 with sos+3 spear and sos armor, a rogue 5th degree 1 hit me with a crit, now thats not normal, and also the warriors with the big sword have this armor skill thing where glavers do practicaly no damage. So its like wizards are an upgrade of nukers, xbow is an upgrade of bows, 2 hand is an upgrade of bladers, and glavers or sumn.

where is the skill in stealth and prick
or a fire meter skill thing

euro character may be able to kill you in 1 to 3 hits but you can kill them to....
its not hard... its only hard if they hit and run all the time

lawl I hope you guys aren't speculating based on cape PvP.

partly bcuz i pvp with this warrior/rogue who have not lost to any 1 in pvp yet, but dagger is always dangerous when u are KD



yes wif 30% snow shield + ironwall when i was KD, hit by +6 dagger, no mp to use skills and cant really handle the crits, juz maybe the rogues u all are against maybe not have good sets
the daggers i faced so far have all phy 60+%, +5 above and crit 21+ daggers + full blue sets, try getting prick by 1 of those
and my shield has 50% for all attribute, +5 full blue, BR18, i dun see anything wrong with it




i mentioned it in my 1st post, comparing all 3 possible builds, ice 60 has juz 84 - 16 = 68 phy def MORE than ice 30, 68 phy def isnt a lot really, maybe a +0 last set garm hands at lvl 90?

hmm i speculate based on cape pvp, job war and FW which makes light ghost walk kinda indispensable

Ultimate Full Str builds post 80 cap...

Lvl...
90/90/100/100

90/90/100/100 Weapon
90/90/100/100 Fire
80/90/80/100 Lightning
40/0/20/0 Cold

There are 2 optimum builds for 90 and 100 caps... One taking 40/20 Cold with reduced Lightning and one without taking any Cold. Depending on your weapon you should decide which one to take. Blader, being almost invincible, should take the one without any Cold whatsoever. Glaiver has flexibility and can take either one. Bow, being the weakest of the three, should take the one with Cold but also still has the flexibility to pick either one. You decide.

O-K, then I can sigh a breath of relief.

OT:

Blader build
Bicheon is a Given
Fire is a Given
Light or Ice ~ This is hard, it depends on what you plan to do. Since you seem to be GvG, I'll ask you this: do you prefer to be the star killer or someone who helps others get the kill?

If you want to be "the hero" then light is the way to go because now you have chasing power. If you want to push your enemy to their Limit and let someone else like a glaive or bow come in then Ice is the way to go, also those pesky Euros will be quite proficient in the next cap. I would go with Ice to cover all bases and leave the "playing hero" to killing builds like the pure str glaive or the pure int no weapon mastery nuker. You'll piss off rogues who won't be able to kill you, and with this next cap followed by 100 you'll really piss off most other builds.

i think 90 bich 90 fire 60 light and 60 cold would be nice
ice would be a subsitute for ur new shield skill

would like to tank a dagger and chase down enemy as well, am greedy i guess

i would consider the following 3 possible builds for myself

light(ghost walk) : ice (ice guard + passive phy def)

80light : 40ice
22m vs. 24

60light : 60ice
19m vs. 84

50light : 70ice
16m vs. 118


note : light 90 ghost walk is 22.5m and ice 90 phy def is 264 but aft some thinking, i dun wanna go too extreme and want to have a good mix of phy def + ghost walk

60light : 60ice
19m vs. 84

50light : 70ice
16m vs. 118

any idea which 1 to choose?

ghost phantom is essential. though lightning tree raises parry ratio, the only reason why i max lightning is because of ghost walk. you might be the strongest, but it does not serve its purpose, when you can catch ur runnin enemy (ie when u can't kill him). another point is running away. im not speaking of noob cape, but job, guild or fortress war. imagine ur thieving along with ur mates. you all die, cuz u can't run away. if you dont have a resser, u gotta ride all the way from town to the trade.

I'm not with 70 / 50 or 60 / 60 builds ..., I prefer to max my masteries so 90 90 90 30 but the problem is to dlvl Ice or Light?

I think Cold 90 worth it, you get nice phy def, but you lose the speed.
But you can use drug of typhoon 100% speed (like euros do), so you have alternative and something available which will help you. For the phy defense, you have no alternative, you can only increase your defense by lvling Ice.
and losing 10 parry ratio is not much. You can easily increase the parry on your gear (white stats) which will compensate the parry ratio points you lost.
and the 3% Mag dmg increase won't help a STR build.

even though going Light 90 is a basic build, nice speed, nice grasswalk and nice look

* I think even with Cold 90, you will still die with 1 Hit Crit from a Rogue Lv 90 full farmed

for me I don't know yet if I will go 90 Ice or 90 Light, maybe I will stick with 60 / 60 for now and see how the other builds will be after CAP 90 open, so I don't lose SP while dlvling or changing masteries.

The question here is Phantom VS Increased phy defense. Which one do you want?