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 Post subject: Force vs Fire
PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 2:36 am 
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Ok so which of these two skills is better?
Force Phys def debuff (-292 Phy def) or Fire's Phys damage buff? (Trial 9% with 8% passive)Which of these two will allow a player using weapon skills to deal higher damage to their opponent?

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 Post subject: Re: Force vs Fire
PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 2:43 am 
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I love force builds. Force

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 Post subject: Re: Force vs Fire
PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 5:08 am 
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For an INT build, force would give the better result. The only problem is that unless you build your build completely around force, it's not worth taking. Since you also need lightning, that already sets your 2 masteries, after which you can decide how you distribute the rest of your masteries over cold and fire. Taking weapon skills is only interesting if you take them all the way, which would only be possible to the 100 cap, and then you'd be doing without immunity and without snow shield.

My force build will be: lightning 90 / Force 90 / Cold 60 / Fire 60.

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 Post subject: Re: Force vs Fire
PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 4:39 pm 
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I wouldn't take force. How would your char look at 150 cap?
150 Weapon
150 Force
No Imbue?
I think Force is only useful for pure Int because they can go:
150 Light or somewhat
150 Force

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 Post subject: Re: Force vs Fire
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I've thought about this, and in principle I agree with you, but also consider this: at the 150 cap, your magical balance as a full STR user will be somewhere in the range of 20%. How much do you think that imbue will help you?

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 Post subject: Re: Force vs Fire
PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 5:27 pm 
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phulshof wrote:
I've thought about this, and in principle I agree with you, but also consider this: at the 150 cap, your magical balance as a full STR user will be somewhere in the range of 20%. How much do you think that imbue will help you?


If that is so ... that only proves that Chinese should go Hybrid!
Coz without Imbue they are nothing ...

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 Post subject: Re: Force vs Fire
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I've thought about this, and in principle I agree with you, but also consider this: at the 150 cap, your magical balance as a full STR user will be somewhere in the range of 20%. How much do you think that imbue will help you?

yeh, but don't forget that the int point With the magical damage raises with each level. You get 1 int point each lvl this means if you raise a lvl not only the physical, but also the magical damage will increased. A lvl 150 will still do more magical damage than a lvl 100. So I think that the magical damage from the str builds will also play an important role in high lvl.

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 Post subject: Re: Force vs Fire
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I would go force, force debuffs will make up for the lack of damage and I love force.

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 Post subject: Re: Force vs Fire
PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 11:07 am 
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Does anyone recommend using force with a full str char?

I do believe that force will help fire bladers deal more damage.

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 Post subject: Re: Force vs Fire
PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 11:40 am 
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Personally I do not recommend force for a full STR character, at least not beyond the level 100 cap. In spite of the low magical balance you'll have, I still don't think it's worth spending time debuffing your opponent during grinding. It may work well in pvp, but if you're really into such a thing, consider playing a warrior/warlock in stead. The only usable force builds I see are lightning/force nukers, with cold sub (snow shield) as long as it's affordable. Just stay far away from clerics unless they're on your side.

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 Post subject: Re: Force vs Fire
PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:02 pm 
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force is good for pure str bowers and glaviers imo.


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 Post subject: Re: Force vs Fire
PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 8:44 am 
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phulshof wrote:
Personally I do not recommend force for a full STR character, at least not beyond the level 100 cap. In spite of the low magical balance you'll have, I still don't think it's worth spending time debuffing your opponent during grinding. It may work well in pvp, but if you're really into such a thing, consider playing a warrior/warlock in stead. The only usable force builds I see are lightning/force nukers, with cold sub (snow shield) as long as it's affordable. Just stay far away from clerics unless they're on your side.


Thanks for the advice considering you are a force user yourself, I will take it.

My build most probably will be like this:
90B 90F 40L 40S 40F

I have a warrior\warlock char by the way.

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