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 Post subject: About Force hybrid str bower
PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 9:04 pm 
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i have a hydrid str bower right now with a plan of 80pach/80light/80fire/60ice, after seeing how force help a lot, i feel like switching to force, my build is gonna be 80pach,80fire,80force,and 60light, what do you guys think? the only thing that stop me from doing this is becuz i put in about 50-80 int (just estimating)... so if i dont get any ice, it kinda messed up my stats.. so what u guys think?

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 Post subject: Re: About Force hybrid str bower
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i should make a new char :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: About Force hybrid str bower
PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 10:33 pm 
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I think you should start planing build for lv.90 , coz its near

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 Post subject: Re: About Force hybrid str bower
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Nitro wrote:
I think you should start planing build for lv.90 , coz its near

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 Post subject: Re: About Force hybrid str bower
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well at first, with the 80p/80l/80f/and 60 ice will turn into 90p/90l/90f/30ice, i dont wanna start over cuz i spent like more than 50$ on the char already... 30$ on premium+ 10 on skill , ticket, pets and other items i forgot, astral and something else... so i will not start over xD

well in my current conditiion, should i change to force or no?

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 Post subject: Re: About Force hybrid str bower
PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 12:13 am 
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You can switch to force. You have range so speed really isn't a problem at 90 cap. Force archers are extremely dangerous to pvp. The high chances of crits with the opponent having a lowered defense it can create a real problem for people. Its really hard to keep up with them. Critting someone for 12k without a sun weapon is really a pain. With sun weapon its even worse.

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 Post subject: Re: About Force hybrid str bower
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RogueKiller wrote:
You can switch to force. You have range so speed really isn't a problem at 90 cap. Force archers are extremely dangerous to pvp. The high chances of crits with the opponent having a lowered defense it can create a real problem for people. Its really hard to keep up with them. Critting someone for 12k without a sun weapon is really a pain. With sun weapon its even worse.


i totally agree with yah, that's why i'm thinking about changing it, hmm but i dont know what should i drop, fire? light? or ice? tell me what you think are the ideal skills?

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 Post subject: Re: About Force hybrid str bower
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sinny wrote:
RogueKiller wrote:
You can switch to force. You have range so speed really isn't a problem at 90 cap. Force archers are extremely dangerous to pvp. The high chances of crits with the opponent having a lowered defense it can create a real problem for people. Its really hard to keep up with them. Critting someone for 12k without a sun weapon is really a pain. With sun weapon its even worse.


i totally agree with yah, that's why i'm thinking about changing it, hmm but i dont know what should i drop, fire? light? or ice? tell me what you think are the ideal skills?

I say drop ice.
You only need 2 skills from it. One is the phy defense buff, the other is the phy defense passive. Maxing out Ice and the sp required for lvling just to get two books maxed isn't worth it.
All you need for fire is everything except nukes.
All needed for light is everything except nukes, imbue and lionshouts.

I personally like having the first few nukes for pvp fun even though I'm pure str. But thats a personal choice.

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 Post subject: Re: About Force hybrid str bower
PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 3:34 am 
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I saw force as an 80 cap build
Thats why i dropped mine to 0.

This is my one and only pvp vid.
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I had 12str and 11int on my gears. Or 11 str and 12 int i cant remember.

im now 80 fire 80 light 80 pach 30 ice.

at 80 cap,
80 pach 80 fire 80 force 60 light was a beast.

60 light gave 15% mag dmg boost and 27 parry, 80 fire gave 17% phys dmg boost and 126 magic defense.
weaken and decay raped. Impotent let u take almost no damage.

Now you either sacrifice a bunch of physical boost or magical boost.
lvl 30 of one tree is basically nothing.

If anything you'll have the most trouble with a str archer thats 90 fire 90 ice.
Your vital spots close your range and that's the only problem with the 90 fire 90 ice archer.

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 Post subject: Re: About Force hybrid str bower
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MrFudge wrote:
I saw force as an 80 cap build
Thats why i dropped mine to 0.

This is my one and only pvp vid.
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I had 12str and 11int on my gears. Or 11 str and 12 int i cant remember.

im now 80 fire 80 light 80 pach 30 ice.

at 80 cap,
80 pach 80 fire 80 force 60 light was a beast.

60 light gave 15% mag dmg boost and 27 parry, 80 fire gave 17% phys dmg boost and 126 magic defense.
weaken and decay raped. Impotent let u take almost no damage.

Now you either sacrifice a bunch of physical boost or magical boost.
lvl 30 of one tree is basically nothing.

If anything you'll have the most trouble with a str archer thats 90 fire 90 ice.
Your vital spots close your range and that's the only problem with the 90 fire 90 ice archer.
Don't you think the division will make up for that lost boost?

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 Post subject: Re: About Force hybrid str bower
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hmm so i should get my light to 60, drop everything from ice, then get 80 force, nice video there, i think i saw it at youtube already xD

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 Post subject: Re: About Force hybrid str bower
PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 8:50 am 
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Berto wrote:
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Don't you think the division will make up for that lost boost?


You don't want to 'make up' for damage.
Cuz what if it fails or is pilled off? then you're instantly weaker than the person with 90 fire and 90 light. Though you do have decay and weaken, but the damage you lost from takin a whole tree down is too great IMO. And if you're gonna blast off decay, weaken, impotent, and division..you've only got like 20 seconds to rack up damage then you have to re-vital spot the person, and that takes another 5 seconds which gives them time to pot whatever dmg you dealt.

@sinny, if you're gonna stay at lvl 80 then yea, 80 fire 80 pach 80 force 60 ice is a crazy good build.
For 90, 90 pach 90 fire 90 force 30 light might be okay. But I really don't think it will be more than an okay build. You have bad parry, no phantom, small magical damage gain, and slow speed. And face it you'll get ksed by people with 80+ lightning, you're not always gonna buy typhoons when grinding and if you're jobbing for a while thats a ton of gold that you coudlve used elsewhere.

Worst case scenario is once you plant the vital spots, the people just run. It happened to me a lot, they know they can't kill with impotent on them so they just run around for 30 secs til its gone and you can't catch up to them, even if you're a bowman you're more than likely not gonna be able to 1-crit a person unless you've got a sun+7 and u get a lucky crit on an INT with a bad set and no snow shield on.

I'm through with force, I didn't even use it in fortress war. The action went by so fast, and it was too hectic at times to even bother putting on vital spots unless i was ganged by 2 nukers. 1 u put on impotent and the other attack rating reduce and u can tank em all day as long as it stays on both of em. Reason is cuz their nukes are slower compared to str based skills, and nukes rely alot on attack rating cuz ones u decrease their attack rating by 70+ points it goes from a 7k nuke to a 5k lol.

leave force to the warlocks, they have AoE debuffs which are a lot more effective.

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 Post subject: Re: About Force hybrid str bower
PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 2:15 pm 
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Hey guys
well there is one thing with Force chars. U have Holyspell on ur opponent and its useless. On the other hand u can only use these skills once in 15 secs. AND it can bepilled off ALL of them. Since there is a bug where u can pill off all at once when u use the pills very fast one after another. So basically this build depends on a lot and without fire or light u will get dmged more seriously and u do less dmg then before. BTW impotent SUXX xDD doesn`t help as much as i expected. Immo without ice u will suck in PVP since u r not pure str and lack eigther phy def whe u wear garms or mag def when u wear prot. U will be easy killing, believe me


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