WHICH ONE????

magichog · **Joined:** Dec 2007 **Posts:** 80 **Location:**

which is a better subclass for a pure strength warrior two hander.
warlock with the debuffs, sleep, and stuns, or cleric with the bless, recovery division, and res.

NobleHunter · **Posted:** Sat May 24, 2008 12:55 am

I wonder who voted wizard...

William-CL · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 7363 **Location:** N/A

lol Wizard....

Domination · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 216 **Location:**

remember, holy ward takes out some warlock buffs

my vote is cleric

__ViRuS__ · **Joined:** Apr 2008 **Posts:** 180 **Location:**

omg clicked wizard by wrong
:banghead:

lol
but go cleric its better

Disconn3cted · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 3293 **Location:** WV, USA

what would wizard possibly do for you?

dannoob · **Joined:** Nov 2007 **Posts:** 556 **Location:**

the only reason i can think of for using wizard, would be invis, bind and fear...all of which arent too useful considering you can sprint assault, making invis not that useful, why bind when you keep kding and kbing and fear...throw up some skins with bless and people scared anyways.

go cleric, if your a 1 hander i still recommend cleric though warlock has its good points i still liek cleric

magisuns · **Posted:** Sat May 24, 2008 4:35 am

WIZ FOR INVIS PHEAR AND KB xD....
...cleric would b a good one

carnage · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 199 **Location:**

depend of u, if u want own almost all in pvp go sub warlock, u can beat almost any chin char, but with the full str euros sub cleric u going 2 have some problems, IMO 2h is better with sub cleric

Genuie · **Joined:** May 2008 **Posts:** 28 **Location:** In my room

You should cleric if you want better defense and healing. Or you can choose warlock if you want to deal more damage to opponents.

Blindfire · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 3844 **Location:** ...

Disconn3cted wrote:

what would wizard possibly do for you?

Barotix wrote:

I love the warrior/wizard. It is an awesome Stealing (thief) build, I just need to buy a sp ticket or prem and sp ticket then I start farming. Before long I'll be the third warrior/wizard on venus.

It is the equivalent to a pumped up rogue.

Snowshield gets pwned.
Fear an entire group and they won't hurt you.
Root the spares and you're good.
Teleport for massive distances.
Invis for you and the party.
Increased Defense.
Monstrous KD ability.

Just thinking about the build makes me so happy.

I like this build for its stealing capabilities.

Getting Chinese that try to pull a solo multi-star 101:

Summon your Transport and get it stuck on a tree.
Place a Fire trap in front of the gate.
Wait in Invis with staff in hand.
The moment he hits it do charged wind level 1 pushing him away from the gate
Then Root Him (to prevent escape)
Combustion (to mess up Snowshield)
Fear (To prevent counter attacks)
Switch to 2h
Do Warcry
Sprint Assault followed by Dare-Devil, which does 50% more damage because he is rooted. Even if it doesn't crit he is dead.

The escape:
Root Transport for 50% damage increase and start whacking at him wit your 2h. It should die quickly. (Maddening + Dare-Devil + Triple Swing + Charged Swing).
Pick up loot and it will be transported to the location of your transport.
Go invis head for your transport then when you get there, destroy your transport.

Repeat 101 and the escape until you have your desired star level. The wiz alone allows you to tank differently from other builds:

Say you are being ganged: Charged Wind + Root + Fear you just stopped 3 people from attacking you. Now you can attack them, while they do nothing. If things get tough you can teleport out of trouble. People can't escape because sprint + tele is just scary. Unique and effective for PvP IMO.

This build only works when you don't need to tank like a tank but can freely PvP.

magichog · **Joined:** Dec 2007 **Posts:** 80 **Location:**

so what i am realizing is that warlock as a sub is more for pvp, and cleric is more for solo. because even if you do have cleric, the recovery division will not help that much spread out through 8 people in a party while jobbing.

raphaell666 · **Posted:** Sun May 25, 2008 3:52 pm

@Blindfire Barotix quote.

That would be really fun, never thought about that. Is there anyone capped and full farmed with that build?

carnage · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 199 **Location:**

magichog wrote:

so what i am realizing is that warlock as a sub is more for pvp, and cleric is more for solo. because even if you do have cleric, the recovery division will not help that much spread out through 8 people in a party while jobbing.

yep warlock is more for pvp, and recovery division help a lot in job and any other stuff + bless + holy word + res, 2h should be sub cleric

magichog · **Joined:** Dec 2007 **Posts:** 80 **Location:**

carnage wrote:

magichog wrote:

so what i am realizing is that warlock as a sub is more for pvp, and cleric is more for solo. because even if you do have cleric, the recovery division will not help that much spread out through 8 people in a party while jobbing.

yep warlock is more for pvp, and recovery division help a lot in job and any other stuff + bless + holy word + res, 2h should be sub cleric

do you think that 1h/warlock would be better than a 2h/warlock against most other builds?

carnage · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 199 **Location:**

magichog wrote:

carnage wrote:

magichog wrote:

so what i am realizing is that warlock as a sub is more for pvp, and cleric is more for solo. because even if you do have cleric, the recovery division will not help that much spread out through 8 people in a party while jobbing.

yep warlock is more for pvp, and recovery division help a lot in job and any other stuff + bless + holy word + res, 2h should be sub cleric

do you think that 1h/warlock would be better than a 2h/warlock against most other builds?

well yes cuz 1h have always the shield + the pasives that are more for defence, and the sub warlock improve ur attack and u can kill in 2-4 skills vs a ful str. and for 2h IMO is better sub cleric cuz 2h need defence, 2h have already a good attack no need of warlock. here are some videos:

Vapore
http://youtube.com/watch?v=f6xWaSD_4fQ

or use 1h/2h/warlock like in this one
(ill do that, looks sexy the 1h/2h +it pwn)

WarriorSoul
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pr-MFN1BAso

and here u can c the 2h/warlock

xXTripleXx
http://youtube.com/watch?v=PYlr2Ru_Zoo

as i said, is ur choise there is no perfect build

magichog · **Joined:** Dec 2007 **Posts:** 80 **Location:**

sorry for this old bump, but I am still looking for more opinions.

magichog · **Joined:** Dec 2007 **Posts:** 80 **Location:**

MOOOOOREE VOTES IM CLOSE TO DONE FARMING

mememe · **Joined:** May 2008 **Posts:** 29 **Location:** somewhere

personally i think that both builds have their pros and cons, warlock can be funner but cleric can help other players. but it is also very easy to get a cleric in your party.

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