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I can't make my mind or take as sub Bard (for Speed and Noise) or take Cleric (for Bless Spell and Holy) ?? And who would win or 60lvl Wizzard or 60lvl Cleric? And who look more nice or Female wizzard or Male?

females always look better

*agrees

I'd say bard because you benifit from the skills even when you are NOT in a party (you can't do bless on yourselve)

if you party a lot i'd see what you guys need and pick that one

the lvl60 wizard <=> cleric : seeing as they are both full int chars i guess whoever gets in the first shot
still think wizard will win though

No i dont talk about last book spell but about Bless Spell he increase 120 phyc def and 180 mag def for 45sec and about Holy Spell (i guess). I think cleric is better for wizzard coz i buff my self to def and then attack giant and dont worry that ill die xD

Cleric is highly useful for survival but Warlock + Cleric is a better combo.

And since Wizzies need to focus on power anyways, Cleric and any other persons skills will not save them from dieing.

Bard works out best noise + March for speed and protection from monsters.

Umm Clerics can do Bless on them. Bless spell at least which is what was asked about.

in terms of lvl 60 PvP a cleric will only win ifit can ouot heal a wizards damage, the only spell a cleric (even full int) has without zerking that could 1shot a wizard is offering, which has a small range a long cast time... so a wizard would just fireball you in 1 shot if you tried to use it. I suspect a cleric woudl only win if the wizard lagged or was stupid enough to use life control for fighting clerics. (and i play a cleric.)

wizard/bard is best combination
noise is money

Wizz 60 pvp------> who can shoot first and has an excellent internet connection --->pwn

Ok thx for replies and now i know that Bard is best for Wizzard as Sub. And last Question. Or same lvl euro Pure STR char like 2Hand Sword Vs Euro pure INT char. Or Wizzard could kill that Pure STR char 1 hit? And friend told me that Clerics from 60lvl owns all...its true or fake?

As a cleric wiz, and a friend of mine is bard wiz, i can tell you 1st hand that my build is much better, i die less often, im ALWAYS wanted and i able to 1 hit mostly everyone. If you want to farm Pick cleric if you want the easy way out pick bard. Noise doesnt realy matter if you kill everything in sight anyway.... with lvl 80 skill btw wiz's probaly could 1 hit lvl 80 bladers...

IMO clerics r best 4 wizs in pvp.Sure they dont got speed and the ability to give themselves mp but in pvp bless yourself,body blessing,soul blessing recovery divison holy shit thats craploads of def and life to make sure u dont get 1-shot right there.Plus against a str a wiz can use its 30% reduce dmg buff and ull see the amazingness of wiz+cleric in pvp but thats just my opinion.

Sorry, but body + soul blessing disappears on yourself when you switch weapons. Therefore it is useless for wiz in pvp.

Whatever anyone says, you can always use speed potions for more important events, or if you are rich, even just for PvP. And if 1 skill (Noise) is the only reason you are picking a subclass that does not even allow you to wear better armor, then you must be a fool.

As a wizard/cleric with a friend who was wizard/bard, I can tell you I died way less than he did. Also, I can easily find parties since the cleric buffs are tons better than bard buffs and he never could.

As a wiz/cleric you can also use the fear -> offering strategy. It is almost guaranteed to 1 hit, especially when I saw a cleric with +5 lvl 45 do 12k on a warlock with + gears, level 43.

Wizard/Clerics and Warlock/Clerics FTW. We will dominate PvP!

basically pick cleric if you want to be offensive even more and bard if you want to PVE better

Cleric if you plan to solo grind at later levels. I'm a level 69 Wizard/cleric and with recovery division and bless spell, I can dominate the last nachal room in zerk while using very few HP pots, if any at all.

You'll need those two skills to get you through the times when theres no INT based mobs to train on. STR mobs suck without those two skills.

If your not planning on leveling past 50, get bard as a sub....being slow sucks too.

...So you only level for 45 seconds at a time? As a wizard you dominate anyway, but I would say without being farmed and having fear, earth barrier and charged winds Pretty much maxed, there is no way to take on a giant unless you use Bless Spell. If you have zerk and bless spell, you can take on giants 5-10 levels above you depending on gear. I can take on giants 5 levels above me with non blue non plus and mostly NPC gears using Bless Spell and zerking.

Wiz/Cleric > Wiz/Bard and that is a fact. Anyone who argues that noise and speed help you solo are idiots considering the fact that the only real enemy of a wizard is agiant. There simply aren't enough mobs to gang you when you are 1 hitting anything in range.

lol, no. But it's a lifesaver if I try to demolish a group of 5-7 earth ghost warriors and find out I've just accidentally lured 3 party mobs onto me in the process. With bless spell, I can either A: run like hell, or B: zerk and hope I can waste 'em in 45 seconds.

still bless and recovery divison would make u a hard ass tanklike doomsday device 4 45 of course

Add zerk to the formula, and watch out world....

both bard and cleric dont serve any purpose for pvp, but i like cleric for my wizard, you have the option to kill with massive damage, or be a healer and buffer when jobbing

...Cleric has no value in PvP as a sub? Now I've heard everything. Good thing that bless spell doesn't exist and the whole 100% immunity is a pure myth. Automated healing is a never finished WIP!

Catching the sarcasm yet?

So.. now i´m thinking about erase my wiz/bard and go for wiz/cleric (light-armored)!
Still lvl25...

Or maybe I do another char....