soo i came up with 2 possible ECsro blader builds for meh 90 fire/bich 70 ice 50 light wearing garments wat are the pros and cons of this build? AND 90 fire/bich 70 light 50 pach wearing prot wat are the pros and cons of this build?
I plan on doing lots of Hunting and Thieving at the cap and lots of PVP so bear that in mind ;d
Both are good builds, the one with 70cold/50light has better moving speed and also a good amount of physical defense from cold, while the one with 50pacheon loses that physical defense but gets a boost at AR. I seriously do not think the extra AR is worth it though.
And, I thought you were going for a ice bladah, at least you were. Why did you change your mind?
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Both are good builds, the one with 70cold/50light has better moving speed and also a good amount of physical defense from cold, while the one with 50pacheon loses that physical defense but gets a boost at AR. I seriously do not think the extra AR is worth it though.
And, I thought you were going for a ice bladah, at least you were. Why did you change your mind?
no group pvp its like dead =( and ice wont kill anything lol
idk prot gives me tons of phy def, almost as much as ice? not sure bout that but enough and that AR boost gah peak dmg ftw?
Think of a build with maxed cold, then explain to me why ice won't kill anything. I'll help you, tell me why 90bicheon/90cold/70fire/50light for example wouldn't kill, when compared to a 90fire/90bicheon.
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Think of a build with maxed cold, then explain to me why ice won't kill anything. I'll help you, tell me why 90bicheon/90cold/70fire/50light for example wouldn't kill, when compared to a 90fire/90bicheon.
theirs no chance of group pvp Almost no guild wars almost no major thief runs or trade runs 90 fire kills 90 ice survives ;d
theirs no chance of group pvp Almost no guild wars almost no major thief runs or trade runs 90 fire kills 90 ice survives ;d
Why do you say that? There's pretty much no difference in anything between a 90bicheon/90fire/70cold/50light and a 90bicheon/90cold/70fire/50light pure STR build, except that the one with 90cold would have a lot of more physical defense, and the ability to freeze/frostbite with the imbue. The tanking performace any situation of the ice bladah would be better than the fire bladah, and the ice blader wouldn't deal less damage at all. They'd hit pretty much the same. It's a pure STR build after all.
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theirs no chance of group pvp Almost no guild wars almost no major thief runs or trade runs 90 fire kills 90 ice survives ;d
Why do you say that? There's pretty much no difference in anything between a 90bicheon/90fire/70cold/50light and a 90bicheon/90cold/70fire/50light pure STR build, except that the one with 90cold would have a lot of more physical defense, and the ability to freeze/frostbite with the imbue. The tanking performace any situation of the ice bladah would be better than the fire bladah, and the ice blader wouldn't deal less damage at all. They'd hit pretty much the same. It's a pure STR build after all.
i hate you -.- gah i hate it when you make sense but burn does do dmg, not alot but a little to annoy lol meh ice imbue = get freeze in then fire = get burn in then just play around with the other person? lol
I took the freedom to compare for you a 90bicheon/90fire/70cold/50light and a 90bicheon/90cold/70fire/50light.
Main differences between these builds:
90bicheon/90fire/70cold/50light
Gets a total of approx. 120 physical defense from cold;
Total of 104 magical defense from fire;
Total of 16% extra physical damage.
Burning from fire imbue.
90bicheon/90cold/70fire/50light
264 extra physical defense from cold;
91 magical defense from fire;
Total of 14% extra physical damage;
Freezing/frostbiting from cold imbue.
As we are talking about a pure STR build, the difference in damage between both imbues would be negligible.
Burningwolf wrote:
i hate you -.- gah i hate it when you make sense
Burningwolf wrote:
meh ice imbue = get freeze in then fire = get burn in then just play around with the other person? lol
and doesnt freezing them fck up with the KD?
The KD bug with freeze would be a matter, but if you think about it, why on earth would you need to knock down someone who you can freeze? Just keep using chains on it, so it won't be able to attack you at all, you'll eventually and easily kill him without even bothering to move or think, lol. If your enemy is, on the other hand, immune, then it'll be a harder fight, and you'll be able to knock down, and benefit from the big extra physical defense from cold.
I say go for cold bladah menz.
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I took the freedom to compare for you a 90bicheon/90fire/70cold/50light and a 90bicheon/90cold/70fire/50light.
Main differences between these builds:
90bicheon/90fire/70cold/50light
Gets a total of approx. 120 physical defense from cold;
Total of 104 magical defense from fire;
Total of 16% extra physical damage.
Burning from fire imbue.
90bicheon/90cold/70fire/50light
264 extra physical defense from cold;
91 magical defense from fire;
Total of 14% extra physical damage;
Freezing/frostbiting from cold imbue.
As we are talking about a pure STR build, the difference in damage between both imbues would be negligible.
Burningwolf wrote:
i hate you -.- gah i hate it when you make sense
Burningwolf wrote:
meh ice imbue = get freeze in then fire = get burn in then just play around with the other person? lol
and doesnt freezing them fck up with the KD?
The KD bug with freeze would be a matter, but if you think about it, why on earth would you need to knock down someone who you can freeze? Just keep using chains on it, so it won't be able to attack you at all, you'll eventually and easily kill him without even bothering to move or think, lol. If your enemy is, on the other hand, immune, then it'll be a harder fight, and you'll be able to knock down, and benefit from the big extra physical defense from cold.
Up to you as you'll have some nice defense coming from shield + cold and fire buffs. I'd prefer garment anyways. And cold imbue is the sexiest, by far. ^_^
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Up to you as you'll have some nice defense coming from shield + cold and fire buffs. I'd prefer garment anyways. And cold imbue is the sexiest, by far. ^_^
I dunno, everyone uses the fire imbue, and that blue shiny thing (cold imbue) is really sexy, even more is it's effect when it hits the target, it's so sexy. And, water x fire = water wins.
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I dunno, everyone uses the fire imbue, and that blue shiny thing (cold imbue) is really sexy, even more is it's effect when it hits the target, it's so sexy. And, water x fire = water wins.
the fire can be so hot that water evaporates wheres your water now huh?
need to find a pk2 edit to change ice into fire >.>
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ecsro only has skills up to 70? no point in taking trees up to 90... just take weapon and fire to 90 for the mastery bonus but the others can be 70 and still be fine you wont get mastery bonus for 90 light/ice if you dont use imbue/magic
the fire can be so hot that water evaporates wheres your water now huh?
need to find a pk2 edit to change ice into fire >.>
It's hard to change water's temperature because of it's "heat resistance something blah", so, the water can be so cold that it'd take a lot of time for the fire to actually have a effect on the water's temperature, while the water would isolate the oxygen and the fire would die. I win.
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ecsro only has skills up to 70? no point in taking trees up to 90... just take weapon and fire to 90 for the mastery bonus but the others can be 70 and still be fine you wont get mastery bonus for 90 light/ice if you dont use imbue/magic
A considerable quantity of skills get past 70, no new skills books appear after 70, but the existing ones can still be leveled. So, this makes your whole reply invalid.
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the fire can be so hot that water evaporates wheres your water now huh?
need to find a pk2 edit to change ice into fire >.>
It's hard to change water's temperature because of it's "heat resistance something blah", so, the water can be so cold that it'd take a lot of time for the fire to actually have a effect on the water's temperature, while the water would isolate the oxygen and the fire would die. I win.
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ecsro only has skills up to 70? no point in taking trees up to 90... just take weapon and fire to 90 for the mastery bonus but the others can be 70 and still be fine you wont get mastery bonus for 90 light/ice if you dont use imbue/magic
A considerable quantity of skills get past 70, no new skills books appear after 70, but the existing ones can still be leveled. So, this makes your whole reply invalid.
yeh well fck yo water ***** fire built everything >:3
wait? chains are useful? i always go for KD since when the Kd attack crits or the stabs crit it deals ton of dmg and i cant stand that little flip the heaven chain does, it seems to give my opponent time to repot, and that moment where you wait after the chain, gives more time to repot =/
wait? chains are useful? i always go for KD since when the Kd attack crits or the stabs crit it deals ton of dmg and i cant stand that little flip the heaven chain does, it seems to give my opponent time to repot, and that moment where you wait after the chain, gives more time to repot =/
Yep, chains are useful.
Spoiler!
Secret I found out: compare Heaven chain maxed (Link) with other skills, notice it goes all the way up to 90 while most of other skills don't.
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90 Bicheon/fire/cold 30 light. Save up on tablets of glass or wind forge what there called. u find while grinding and those are like 75% speed, so you be all set except of course no grass walk phantom not a big deal. and the parry increase from light can easily be made up for with couple good %'s on your're gear
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90 Bicheon/fire/cold 30 light. Save up on tablets of glass or wind forge what there called. u find while grinding and those are like 75% speed, so you be all set except of course no grass walk phantom not a big deal. and the parry increase from light can easily be made up for with couple good %'s on your're gear
No actual point in going for 90 fire instead of 70 fire, and losing moving speed/mobility.
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90 Bicheon/fire/cold 30 light. Save up on tablets of glass or wind forge what there called. u find while grinding and those are like 75% speed, so you be all set except of course no grass walk phantom not a big deal. and the parry increase from light can easily be made up for with couple good %'s on your're gear
No actual point in going for 90 fire instead of 70 fire, and losing moving speed/mobility.
+ its gonna be impossible to lv. up im already lazy as it is lol
90 Bicheon/fire/cold 30 light. Save up on tablets of glass or wind forge what there called. u find while grinding and those are like 75% speed, so you be all set except of course no grass walk phantom not a big deal. and the parry increase from light can easily be made up for with couple good %'s on your're gear
No actual point in going for 90 fire instead of 70 fire, and losing moving speed/mobility.
Losing 10 on the imbue is big, i do quite abit of dmage diff on my blader from lvl 3 fire book to lvl 13.
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Losing 10 on the imbue is big, i do quite abit of dmage diff on my blader from lvl 3 fire book to lvl 13.
What? I couldn't actually understand what you mean. But the difference in damage from the cold imbue maxed to the fire imbue maxed is negligible, as we're talking about a pure STR.
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Losing 10 on the imbue is big, i do quite abit of dmage diff on my blader from lvl 3 fire book to lvl 13.
What? I couldn't actually understand what you mean. But the difference in damage from the cold imbue maxed to the fire imbue maxed is negligible, as we're talking about a pure STR.
is it really? let me do a test i have maxed ice imbue and fire imbue (that how pimp i is)
Dude u said fire at 70 so thats book 3 of fire imbue, and 90 is book 10. And there is a pretty big dif in fire maxxed and cold, even for a pure str char.
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Losing 10 on the imbue is big, i do quite abit of dmage diff on my blader from lvl 3 fire book to lvl 13.
What? I couldn't actually understand what you mean. But the difference in damage from the cold imbue maxed to the fire imbue maxed is negligible, as we're talking about a pure STR.
is it really? let me do a test i have maxed ice imbue and fire imbue (that how pimp i is)
Also compare the damage between your latest imbue maxed, and your first imbue book.
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Dude u said fire at 70 so thats book 3 of fire imbue, and 90 is book 10. And there is a pretty big dif in fire maxxed and cold, even for a pure str char.
There was recently an argument about this, and you are wrong. Let me just find it and I'll edit this reply.
EDIT: And I said between fire imbue and cold imbue, not between 90 fire and 70 fire.
EDIT2:viewtopic.php?f=4&t=109725 Search for screenshots, scroll down a little bit, and there are links to another topic testing this subject too.
EDIT3: If you are lazy to look on those huge replies for the link to another topic testing this, here you are: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=101729&p=1362723 btw, in this topic by Nitro scroll down a little bit for his test against mobs his level.
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You said theres no point in going 90 fire instead of 70 fire, which i thought u ment imbues fire book 3 at 70 and maxxed fire at 90.
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You said theres no point in going 90 fire instead of 70 fire, which i thought u ment imbues fire book 3 at 70 and maxxed fire at 90.
I wrote:
raphaell666 wrote:
No actual point in going for 90 fire instead of 70 fire, and losing moving speed/mobility.
Where I was comparing 90bicheon/90fire/90cold/30light (which you mentioned) to 90bicheon/90cold/70fire/50light (hence the "losing moving speed/mobility" part).
And:
raphaell666 wrote:
(...)But the difference in damage from the cold imbue maxed to the fire imbue maxed is negligible, as we're talking about a pure STR.
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What? I couldn't actually understand what you mean. But the difference in damage from the cold imbue maxed to the fire imbue maxed is negligible, as we're talking about a pure STR.
is it really? let me do a test i have maxed ice imbue and fire imbue (that how pimp i is)
Also compare the damage between your latest imbue maxed, and your first imbue book.
NameChange wrote:
Dude u said fire at 70 so thats book 3 of fire imbue, and 90 is book 10. And there is a pretty big dif in fire maxxed and cold, even for a pure str char.
There was recently an argument about this, and you are wrong. Let me just find it and I'll edit this reply.
EDIT: And I said between fire imbue and cold imbue, not between 90 fire and 70 fire.
EDIT2:viewtopic.php?f=4&t=109725 Search for screenshots, scroll down a little bit, and there are links to another topic testing this subject too.
EDIT3: If you are lazy to look on those huge replies for the link to another topic testing this, here you are: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=101729&p=1362723 btw, in this topic by Nitro scroll down a little bit for his test against mobs his level.
in the EDIT 2 comment 700 dmg dif from 5700 to 6400 thats a +12% thats a shit load... Still trying to find whats better ice or fire lol, been to lazy to compare dmg
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