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Good evening Guys,

I recently started to farm a new chinese Character in Gaia...
And I want to ask YOU for your opinion.

I am addicted to chinese Builds, especially STRs - so I was thinking about a Bow, later about a Blader, after that about a glavier... But there wasnt any good solution, simply because I hate this kind of simple build. So first of all I started to think about this one:

1. Bow lvl 90
Fire lvl 90
Force lvl 90

=> But is force realy worth maxing it? Especially in Gaia? What is your guess about it?

2. Glavie lvl 90
Blade lvl 90
Fire lvl 90

=> That sounds kind of cool. First of all you are quite strong against nukers, you have more HP, you have a good DPS (Knockdown, Stab, stab, stab, stab, Ghost spear, stun)
and you are quite a good tank. Whats your guess about it?

Well, I hope this develops an interessting discussion.
all the best
Polemique

Well, it certainly does have it's pros and cons. More hp, more stun, KB etc etc but you'll lack defense majorly. I'd suggest that you just stick with 1 weapon mastery and maximize it to it's full potential. Dual weapon would've been good at 70 cap, but at 90 definitely not. Having only 1 force mastery just isn't good enough. And having ice or light and 30 doesn't make much of a difference.

But hey, it's your character. Do whatever you want with it. IF I was to suggest a dual weapon build I'd suggest 90 fire/bicheon/heuksal 30 lightning. With a shield + extra hp you don't really need ice, but you do need movement speed.

As for PvP you need to learn to switch weapons properly. Also dual weapon will be very costly sp-wise, therefore I don't recommend it. But as I said, do whatever you want.

Well, thank you so far.
SP isnt actually my problem...

But you are quite right with having just one force at lvl 90. But many do lightning at 90, thats IMO not better than for example Heuksal.
You won´t have any lack of defense as soon as you wear your blade & shield. Even against warriors I think you are able to tank them a certain time. (I will wear protector)
But once you have debuffed your Enemy, knocked down, stabed -> than glavie becomes important. Because after this combomove from a blader it does not offer high DMG attacks, just another Knock down and stab session. But if you change after stabbing to glavie, doing the Ghost spear and the soul spear emperor, you delt quite a lot of DMG, and you probably stunned your opponent. You can easily switch back to Blade and shield and you wont have problems in tanking. if this long move (KD, Stab, Ghostspear, Emperor, Windless ... and again) offers good DMG or some crits, than you offer a high Damage per Second and your chances for critting aren´t that bad.
Against Nukers you have the snakestorm - if your HP becomes low, you switch back to Blade do KD and full you are again.

The lack of speed isnt any problem, I have got a bard, standing in the savezone, just waiting for support - (just speed)
Well so far, any propositions, worries, hints about it?
All the best
Polemique

If you have the SP then go for it. But be prepared to DLVL one of the weapon masteries in case it doesn't work out too well.

Good evening,

The dual pure STR build IS a good build at 90 cap. I just am not sure about higher caps. Probably at 100 cap you'd have to go with 100heuksal/100bicheon/100fire. At any higher cap than this you'd have to delevel an entire weapon or just have your imbue at a lower level (would have to test to see how it is). Instead of going with 90weapon/90force/90fire, I'd certainly prefer to go with a dual weapon build (this is just my personal opinion, for me bicheon > force). A video that might inspire you:

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I really don't like that video -,- its pointless to have blader skills if you have a sun glavie....just using that shield every time you are kd, or warrior is using DD is more then enough to take the dmg...at least for my glavier..though I have prot set..but don't use vigors or snow...unless warrior has sun 2hand.

Thank you so far for your opionion...

Does anyone have another hint xD?

Neither do I. And I agree with everything you said. But I don't know any other video with that build =p

Good too see someone else finally looking outside the square.
I used to play a lvl 87 dual weapon character but I recently quit.
He was planned to be 90- fire/bich/heuksal and 30 light for grinding grass walk.

Cons:
-ALOT of SP
-Tricky to pvp, but once you get good at switching it becomes really fun
-Not alot of phys defence with glavie out
Pros:
-FUN
-Different
-ALOT of HP and defence when you are using blade and sheild, you have defence of a full str blader and HP of a glavier, minus the phys defence of ice
-Can make awesome chains, experimenting on giant mobs or party mobs you can create some cool combos
-Imagine a glavier doing crit ghost spear with the opponent having bleed, impotent and division?
Thats why this build owns


I've got some videos and ill upload them onto youtube and maybe they will inspire you. I also had a lvl 7X int dual weapon way back at 80 cap. My main goal in sro is not to always win but be inventive and think outside the square.

Im currently thinking about another dual weapon, something really different; dual pacheon and heuksal maybe, and i might go hybrid. Nothing serious just want to see if its anyfun

If I'd go dual weapon, I'd take lighting over fire since that gives you speed + a nearly as good imbue. Thats just my opinion :o

As a pure STR he'd lack a LOT of mag def and phy atk % from fire buff and passive. A pure STR cannot afford to lose those.

A good garment set would make the loss not so huge. Also you need to think about that he may take more damage but kills about twice as fast and dont forget the blader skills. When low on hp -> Iron Wall + Fan on blader mode and your fine.

He in fact needs a good garment set and fire buffs in order to have a good mag def. I seriously doubt only garment would be even near to enough.


Kills twice as fast?


Yeah, for 15 seconds.

Also, taking lightning your damage will be lower; The imbue is weaker, the lightning buff gives mag % atk increase when your imbue almost doesn't change your damage, lightning gives parry ratio which almost doesn't change the damage you receive and the only thing you'd really get from lightning would be a increased speed by the cost of losing a lot of mag def, a lot of atk, immunity, de-stealth, de-invisible and fire wall.

Ah w/e you won :p Dual is cool to play but sucks to build. Ill stick with one weapon +_+

Well, since we all are looking out of the square, I appreciate your help.
mhm, Light at 90 - I thought about it, the lack of phys attack, Fire wall, good mag DEG and imbue can not compensate the fact that you can switch/move faster/have more parry...



Fuuy, I thought exactly about that and I really want to hear your opinions about it. Well, the DPS is not that great but imagine: Combo(blade), KD, stabs, Combo(bow), one big secure shot(strong bow), antidevil bow... w/e.
I know bow does not output dmg as huge as glavie does, but you can work with fire wall, are good while hunting, and with bleed threw blade it would be quite a good DMG too... whats your gues about that?
(just in case: nevermind speed, I have got a lvl 90 Bard, which just gives movingspeed)
thank you so far
Polemique

He who ever you quoted there said pacheon and heuksal, not pacheon and bicheon =p

My fault

Does anyone have such a dual weapon Glavie Bicheon Account?
A little view about it would be very interesting...

prime example of how people who don't have a capped character.. meh forget it.

90 fire / bicheon / heuksal with 30 ice is what you want. Ice for snowshield. Buy 100% speed drugs, or use moving speed scrolls. You don't even get a ghostwalk with 30 light.
There's probably three people in my server with this build. It's good. Maybe it's just good against STR euro, as that's all I have to play with.
Bleed + other stats from lightning chain, KD, quad stab, ghost spear. Really powerful.

+1 True and I agree, though 20 cold for 20% snow shield will be enough. There's no real need to go with 30 cold.

I think they are even against Ints quite good. They have to.
Take a Glavie with fire/light/heuksal lvl 90... what changes? just the Parry.... and this token DMG could be compensated with blade switch. Furthermore one has got the snake storm. Against Ints I would probably use blade until their snowshield is down... Glavie does the rest.

Yeah as i said, i got a lvl 87 daul, FF lvl 85
85 fire/bicheon/heuksal and 30 light

I've got an old video, the first part is my str dual weapon but the second is my old int dual weapon, as you can see I like dual weapon
If you want more videos just let me know, i can upload them.
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=lzYIs1HlgsQ

nice build, maybe i will try it since im only lv60 atm. i'll delevel my light lv60>lv0, how much do u think it will cost me using cursed heart?

Just go for it

Unfortunately I know your video allready. But I love it though.
It would be great if you could upload some newer ones, especially against Euros, Wizzards, Cleric / Warrior - dont mind the development, just put ´en in
Have you played with two hands? It seemed like you used the left Hand for the Keys 1-5 and the right hand for the Keys 5-0...?
see ya
Polemique

Good to hear you like it. And yes, i do tend to use both hands.
I will use my left for all the moves, 5 down and use my right to change back to weapons on 6,7.
It makes grinding so much more fun because you can be inventive and try out different combos and practice swapping.
And sorry but i quit sro a while ago and i only have videos of me vs. other chinese ints and another good video vs. a str glavier who was very good. I will upload them sometime soon.
And btw, from memory i believe it cost something like 700-800K sp for FF lvl 90, and it pains me to think about the 100 cap, i would say somewhere between 1.3-1.5 mil SP
I may go on and try pvp some euros, but i never liked euros and my eqiupment is still lvl 80-83 stuff

Hey there again,

I have got a new theory. Because I have seen a lvl 90 Dual Weapon Heuksal/Bicheon, and it was not that good, as I hoped. Because the skills on lvl 90 are not good to combine due to the time the new stab takes, so you are not able to switch back to glavie that fast, the counterpart can stop your dmgmove and your high DPS is gone. I have seen it and allthough the Blade/Glavier was really strong it might not be a great idea.

On the other hand I was thinking about a really crazy experiment and I toy with the idea of trying a
Heuksal / Pacheon / Fire Build. Pur STR.

Why???
Let me try to argue for it.
In my Opinion a pur Pacheon does not deal enough DMG allthough it is a really nice Build. The DPS is crapp due to the low Bomb-skill. And so if you compare pacheon with heuksal, you see, that heuksal has got a great DMG potential but it isnt the character to job or "uniquing"...
But if you fuse both you have got the highest DMG output attacks from chinese STR. If you order them carefully you might be really strong. Just imagine a bow with that much HP, furthermore you have got strong skills for a high DPS-move (Strong bow, Anti Devil bow, Emperor, Ghostspear, windless, 5 Arrowcombo, strongbow, anti devil...)
What do you think about it???
It would be very interessting
Polemique

Youre talking to me? I capped more then 3 chars since 4 years. 2 of them were bladers and got 1 to 67.

What makes you think he was talking to you? I'm pretty sure he was not talking to you. There's nothing on his reply that refers to you.

Are you saying the double stab, followed by lvl 90 double stab doesnt leave room to switch back to glavie? I havnt seen this or tried this because i only got to lvl 87 but i thought there would be no problem. If you press glavie straight after starting the move he actuall pulls the glavie out half way through the second and last stab and then you should be find to do soul, sould, wind etc.
But as I said i hav'nt seen it so maybe it doesnt work.

But i really do like your pacheon/heuksal idea, imagine you have 2 stun moves, 2 knock back moves, attack rating that is very high for a glavier.
I was also thinking of something simular for a dual weapon but i thought maybe going hybrid but im not sure hyrbid glaviers work?