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 Post subject: Can A Warlock Kill A Unique?
PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 9:36 am 
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I'm talking about the uniques that matter, like Isy, Yarkan and Shaitan. If I ever see a warlock kill a unique, it's always Cerberus. Just wondering if it was possible.

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Hmm, he cant use debuffs, because the other players would hit higher too..
The only thing he can use is the shitty baby-nukes :D

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Couldnt he just put some DoTs on it and hope they eventualy are the ones who take the final bit of hp from it?


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to get the kill you need to do the most damage not the last hit that would be silly if it were last hit, a level one could steal the kill other wise (unlikly)

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 Post subject: Re: Can A Warlock Kill A Unique?
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Well, you can kill uniques from TG to Isy, but I dont think you can kill LY / Shaitan ...
Since TG --> Isy is only luck will they appear near you...

Well, if Warrior was able to kill Shaitan once, Warlock is too.
I've seen Astra from Venus killing Shaitan (but people let her get the kill.)

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if u hve cleric sub and r lucky enough to hve it to urself then yes probably

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 Post subject: Re: Can A Warlock Kill A Unique?
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Well, you can kill uniques from TG to Isy, but I dont think you can kill LY / Shaitan ...
Since TG --> Isy is only luck will they appear near you...

Well, if Warrior was able to kill Shaitan once, Warlock is too.
I've seen Astra from Venus killing Shaitan (but people let her get the kill.)

This happened ONLY for my first Shaitan kill dude, and back then I was lv80 with 80+3 rod + underfarmed bigtime.
My whole party was watching me soloing Shaitan for 10-15mins then.
The ironic part, I forgot to switch my new (then) 80+3 rod with the old 76+3 rod on the quickslot bar.

My second and third kills were totally different.
The second kill I started with Shaitan at 85-90% of his HP, went to ress a party member nearby and came back, and I outdamaged a chinese bow, glavie and s/s nuker. I was farming lv85 with 9gap. (lame rev6 didn't register this kill)
The third kill was recently, 90 farmed warlock this time. I started with Shaitan at 80-85% of his HP. The keyboard was literary raped by me. I outdamaged Khaara 90 FF (som+7 staff - partyless/soloing Shaitan), s/s nuker 90 FF, and the 2 wizards in my pt. Don't know how, as usual, I didn't expect to get the kill. I finished him with an offering. (avg. 3 offerings on Shaitan + 3 zerks /my record is 5 zerks at Shaitan/)

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How do you get zerk while killing shaitan? Are you using AoE dots or what?
I'd be afraid of using offering near him tbh...

Didnt know you killed it multiple times, my bad!

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Nitro wrote:
How do you get zerk while killing shaitan? Are you using AoE dots or what?
I'd be afraid of using offering near him tbh...

+1 Pretty interesting post by Astra by the way.

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raphaell666 wrote:
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How do you get zerk while killing shaitan? Are you using AoE dots or what?
I'd be afraid of using offering near him tbh...

+1 Pretty interesting post by Astra by the way.


zerk scrolls i think 20, its given by some euro quest i think
but i think thats the only way u can get it

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 Post subject: Re: Can A Warlock Kill A Unique?
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Zerk Scrolls? lol I have only 3 waiting in my storage for some guild war. (event scrolls)
Haven't done that quest yet, and I don't need them TBH.

I am a warlock guys. Do I need them to kill Shaitan?
When his spawns come out I only cast AoE DoTs, and when he's alone only single ones.
By the time his spawns die, I have a full zerk.
Maybe I'm not gonna get my zerk from one of his spawns, but the second spawn = zerk.
I always tank Shaitan. I say to one of the tanks to fully buff me and to stand aside.
And since most of my skills have big aggro, Shaitan is on me and half of the spawns.
Imagine what Dusk Armor does when I'm being surrounded by them, plus AoE DoTs.
That's a lot of damage per second, which is the answer to your zerk question.

Remember, it's not only the DoTs who give you zerk bubbles. I'm using my build's full potential.

About the offering.
I always trap/sleep/debuff Shaitan before I do the big boom. (well sometimes not, but I still managed to do clean offerings w/o dying)

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 Post subject: Re: Can A Warlock Kill A Unique?
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^Does that mean I've made mistake by not taking Dark Blaze / Toxin Invasion and taking Dark Breath and Dark Decay? (meaning only 2 AoE dots).

Do you find Blaze and Toxin useful? (I mean as single target dots?)

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 Post subject: Re: Can A Warlock Kill A Unique?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 1:24 pm 
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My AoE DoTs: Bleed/Dull/Toxin
Single DoTs: Bleed/Dull / Toxin is on stand-by, no free slots on the bar
IMO, blaze aka burn sucks.

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 Post subject: Re: Can A Warlock Kill A Unique?
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and your single target dots are?
EDIT: Healing Cycle or Orbit? Do you have enough MP?
Light Armor or Robes? Hybrid or Int?

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Astra wrote:
My AoE DoTs: Bleed/Dull/Toxin
Single DoTs: Bleed/Dull / Toxin is on stand-by, no free slots on the bar
IMO, blaze aka burn sucks.

Sry about this, I love to edit my posts.

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Healing Cycle or Orbit? Do you have enough MP?
Light Armor or Robes? Hybrid or Int?

Orbit.
Around 26K MP.
Robes.
Pure Int.

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 Post subject: Re: Can A Warlock Kill A Unique?
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Astra wrote:
Astra wrote:
My AoE DoTs: Bleed/Dull/Toxin
Single DoTs: Bleed/Dull / Toxin is on stand-by, no free slots on the bar
IMO, blaze aka burn sucks.

Sry about this, I love to edit my posts.


Edit it a bit more ... Your signle dots are on stand-by, do you cape fight at all?
Sure about robes?

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Nitro wrote:
Your signle dots are on stand-by, do you cape fight at all?

Only single toxin is on stand-by.
Do I cape fight? :)
-That my friend, you need to ask others. I think when I come to samarkand to pvp, bots run in safe zone or simply vanish from the spot.

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Astra :P , can I ask why robes and pure int? Can you tank? Do you use the "hidden" skill (trap + sleep)?

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Astra :P , can I ask why robes and pure int? Can you tank? Do you use the "hidden" skill (trap + sleep)?

Cause I'm playing this class like it is meant to be played.
Warlock's gear = Robes
pure int cause wizard and warlock are in the same class which is casters a.k.a. damage dealers.
Trap and sleep are warlock's skills, so why not use them.
That's the same thing like chinese bicheon users shouldn't use KD+chains, or a wizard not using fear.

EDIT: Yes I can tank but not 2handers with their DD. (well maybe sometimes when I get lucky with block)

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Astra wrote:
Cause I'm playing this class like it is meant to be played.
Warlock's gear = Robes
pure int cause wizard and warlock are in the same class which is casters a.k.a. damage dealers.
Trap and sleep are warlock's skills, so why not use them.
That's the same thing like chinese bicheon users shouldn't use KD+chains, or a wizard not using fear.

EDIT: Yes I can tank but not 2handers with their DD. (well maybe sometimes when I get lucky with block)

Hmm. What do you think about that build being a hybrid? Have you ever thought about using LA? (sorry if I'm annoying you, just want someone's experienced opinion)

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you are saying that a Warrior can 1hit you with Daredevil?

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Hmm. What do you think about that build being a hybrid? Have you ever thought about using LA? (sorry if I'm annoying you, just want someone's experienced opinion)
IMO, only main clerics are allowed to be hybrids. Why?
Simply because they aren't damage dealers, they heal.
I want every bit of damage I can get from this class.
I didn't want to play a wizard cause they die easily, and on the contrary, warlock was the perfect solution. Pure is the way to go with euro classes, except the cleric like I said before in this post.
Why pure warlock for me:
-I'm gonna be more close to wizard's damage + my DoTs will hit harder
-shield means more defense, so why going hybrid and sacrificing your damage for survival when you wear a shield
-Wizards and chinese nukers deal a LOT less damage on me cause I'm pure int and I don't have problems with MP

About the LA gear, yes, I've thought about it a couple of times, but never tried it. I need to borrow LA pimped gear first to try it and see if there's any difference pvping against 2handers.
I'm really tired of pimping a new gear. My robe set is pimped tight.

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you are saying that a Warrior can 1hit you with Daredevil?
I am saying that a warrior can kill me with a DD, but definitely not 1shot me cause DD is 2 hit combo and I mostly die from his 2nd combo hit, which is mostly a crit.

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any advise you can give for skills not to take(not useful) for both a INT warlock and a STR sub warlock, I am making both (more intersted in the STR warlock sub)tnx

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any advise you can give for skills not to take(not useful) for both a INT warlock and a STR sub warlock, I am making both (more intersted in the STR warlock sub)tnx

Since you're more interested in STR sub lock, you def. won't need weaken from the debuffs.
If you're interested in DoTs, stick to dull and bleed only (single ones), but since you want DoTs you're gonna need to take the passives above, for increased mag dmg and durability of the dots.
Vampire skills are gonna be useful for you to suck HP, advance reflect is somehow perfect for warrior/locks cause you can switch b/w weapons and tank wizard's nukes, which gives you more chance to reflect his nukes. I can reflect their nukes, but, sometimes we both die lol.
Stuns are a good thing to have, panic is a must.

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Astra wrote:
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any advise you can give for skills not to take(not useful) for both a INT warlock and a STR sub warlock, I am making both (more intersted in the STR warlock sub)tnx

Since you're more interested in STR sub lock, you def. won't need weaken from the debuffs.
If you're interested in DoTs, stick to dull and bleed only (single ones), but since you want DoTs you're gonna need to take the passives above, for increased mag dmg and durability of the dots.
Vampire skills are gonna be useful for you to suck HP, advance reflect is somehow perfect for warrior/locks cause you can switch b/w weapons and tank wizard's nukes, which gives you more chance to reflect his nukes. I can reflect their nukes, but, sometimes we both die lol.
Stuns are a good thing to have, panic is a must.



tnx, ive been taking pretty much what you have stated and anything that isnt a magical attack, warlock is a awesome subclass for a rogue

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Astra wrote:
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Well, you can kill uniques from TG to Isy, but I dont think you can kill LY / Shaitan ...
Since TG --> Isy is only luck will they appear near you...

Well, if Warrior was able to kill Shaitan once, Warlock is too.
I've seen Astra from Venus killing Shaitan (but people let her get the kill.)

This happened ONLY for my first Shaitan kill dude, and back then I was lv80 with 80+3 rod + underfarmed bigtime.
My whole party was watching me soloing Shaitan for 10-15mins then.
The ironic part, I forgot to switch my new (then) 80+3 rod with the old 76+3 rod on the quickslot bar.

My second and third kills were totally different.
The second kill I started with Shaitan at 85-90% of his HP, went to ress a party member nearby and came back, and I outdamaged a chinese bow, glavie and s/s nuker. I was farming lv85 with 9gap. (lame rev6 didn't register this kill)
The third kill was recently, 90 farmed warlock this time. I started with Shaitan at 80-85% of his HP. The keyboard was literary raped by me. I outdamaged Khaara 90 FF (som+7 staff - partyless/soloing Shaitan), s/s nuker 90 FF, and the 2 wizards in my pt. Don't know how, as usual, I didn't expect to get the kill. I finished him with an offering. (avg. 3 offerings on Shaitan + 3 zerks /my record is 5 zerks at Shaitan/)

Everything is possible, you just need to believe in your build, and be skilled.


I believe u.....cuz one time I joined a shaitain pt with my warrior/cleric lvl. 90 and a wiz/bard (use Lift turnover) and a chinese glavier both 90.....it was the ONLY pt around so it took a while to die....i buff both wiz and glavier and kept on healing..and in the end the Glavier got the kill :? ..I was surprise cuz I was certain the wiz would get the kill but the glavier got it...don't know what the hell happen.

the wiz did teleported a few times while the glavier never stop attacking...but still

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Astra wrote:
Astra wrote:
My AoE DoTs: Bleed/Dull/Toxin
Single DoTs: Bleed/Dull / Toxin is on stand-by, no free slots on the bar
IMO, blaze aka burn sucks.

Sry about this, I love to edit my posts.

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Healing Cycle or Orbit? Do you have enough MP?
Light Armor or Robes? Hybrid or Int?

Orbit.
Around 26K MP.
Robes.
Pure Int.

waiit ur pure int and u have 26kmp? im hybrid and i have 30k somthing isnt right their unless ur talking naked mp

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I believe u.....cuz one time I joined a shaitain pt with my warrior/cleric lvl. 90 and a wiz/bard (use Lift turnover) and a chinese glavier both 90.....it was the ONLY pt around so it took a while to die....i buff both wiz and glavier and kept on healing..and in the end the Glavier got the kill :? ..I was surprise cuz I was certain the wiz would get the kill but the glavier got it...don't know what the hell happen.

the wiz did teleported a few times while the glavier never stop attacking...but still

no bard :S wiz runs out of mp and cant attack anymore except normal attack lol


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